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post #81 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:16pm
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Mine is working beautifully. Virtually instantaneous and perfect.

Probably because you don't search very large PDF files. Even with smaller ones you can tell the difference if you actually compare.
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post #82 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

but what about the Macbook Pro updates!?!1!

What do you mean? I've never seen an IS release that wasn't for all machines

Are you saying MacBook Pro users can't update to 10.6.3????
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post #83 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Sure, I've mentioned this several times before.

The search function in Leopard Preview was fast and accurate. The search function in Snow Leopard Preview is very, very slow and inaccurate. I estimate that it takes roughly ten times longer to search a PDF in Snow Leopard, and it still misses words that are found in Leopard Preview, and even more frustratingly, are found by Spotlight, so you know they're in the document. If you search a lot of big PDFs in Preview (as I do) you'll find that it builds up an index file which can grow quickly to many gigabytes, and when it does, makes the search process even slower. The only solution is to trash it when it gets completely awful. Then it goes back to just being really bad.

Apple also deleted the previously very useful feature in Leopard that automatically highlighted words in PDFs that you'd searched for in Spotlight. Now the search has to be started manually in Preview. Then you wait, wait, wait -- and still Preview doesn't always find the word.

I don't know what Apple was trying to accomplish in Snow Leopard Preview, but they took something really nice and functional and turned it into a world of hurt.

I rely on the highlighted words so no update for me if that's true.
Logic still more stable on regular Leopard. With SL, I get at least one crash per day.
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post #84 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:26pm
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What do you mean? I've never seen an IS release that wasn't for all machines

Are you saying MacBook Pro users can't update to 10.6.3????

He's referring to the HW updates for the MBP. Arrandale has been out since January 7th and this is past the typical pro Mac notebook age, according to the MacRumors Buyers Guide. Many of us have been waiting for new MBPs since the beginning of the year.
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post #85 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:31pm
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I rely on the highlighted words so no update for me if that's true.
Logic still more stable on regular Leopard. With SL, I get at least one crash per day.

You can still get the highlighted words, it's just not automatic as it used to be, and takes far longer to complete the search. The only reason I can imagine why Apple deleted the automatic feature was because the search in Preview is now so glacial that it would have bogged matters down too much. I've kept one of our iMacs with Leopard for just this reason.
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post #86 of 173
3/29/10 at 2:50pm
Funny GEEKBENCH now shows a lower score.... but every thing went well....
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post #87 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:05pm
Hmmmm...

Installed the update on my mid 2007 20" iMac (Intel).

Reading the comments in this thread... and POOF!!! The screen went blue and my attached Samsung 23" syncmaster went pink!

Hard restart.

First time in over 2 1/2 years!

WTF!!

Nice update...
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post #88 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:08pm
"Mobile Accounts fixes and improvements provided for:
home directory synchronization when the home directory is stored on an SMB file server.
properly warning mobile users in an Active Directory domain about upcoming password expiration.
creating a Mobile Account that uses smart card authentication, without using a command-line tool."

Can anyone give me the low down on these because I am in the dark?

Btw, shouldn't the mobile me updates trickle down to leopard too? Why does my powerbook have to have less reliable mm services? I thought the point of mobile me was to be reliable across machines not on snow leopard...
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post #89 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:10pm
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What do you mean? I've never seen an IS release that wasn't for all machines

Are you saying MacBook Pro users can't update to 10.6.3????

It was a joke.
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post #90 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:29pm
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Yes I have tried every hack or app there is. This app says that my system is 100% able to run 64bit kernel but is currently locked by apple to boot into 32bit mode. right now there are only eight model number macs that will boot into 64bit kernel. Supposedly they are going to unlock more of them via software updates. the next OS won't be 32bit at all so they better get to it otherwise my computer which is only 3 years old will not run 10.7

I also have an IMac 7,1 thus my interest in your issue. The link mentioned does not provide a solution, and states specifically that only iMac 8,1 and later are "enabled" for K64. That was the situation at Mac OS X 10.6.0 and that has not changed.

I am currently on Mac OS X 10.6.3 and have confirmed this via "About this Mac" > "More Info" > "Software" > 64-bit Kernel and ExtensionstNo

Basically, when you run on K32, you do not suffer any noticeable performance penalty. Applications that are either 32-bits or 64-bits will load on K32. If you have an iMac 7,1 you cannot install more than 4GB of RAM.

I don't know the exact technical reason why Apple decided to draw the "enabling" line as it did. Probably, the availability of drivers, or some hardware limitation despite the fact that you have a 64-bit EFI and a 64-bit processor.

How do you know that your computer will not run Mac OS X 10.7? I am guessing that it will. I would think Mac OS X 10.7 will support K32 and K64. I have not seen any information to the contrary.

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post #91 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Momus View Post

In case anyone was wondering where the OS's OGL support was at now:

Here's the program, also.

The state of openGL in OS X is a real bummer. I don't understand why is it taking Apple so long to implement versions 3.0 - 3.2... \
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post #92 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Knunez View Post

for some reason my update is 757MB. Maybe I have more updates? It's weird. Here's a link to the screenshot: http://bit.ly/cAPu2n

The dialog box says it is downloading 13 items: 892.6 MB and will take about 2 hours on my 27" iMac. Can that be correct? How long did it take to download yours?
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post #93 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:39pm
Wellllllllllllll...

This update has made my iMac almost unusable.

Something to do with the display support... I think.

Harsh!
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post #94 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Wellllllllllllll...

This update has made my iMac almost unusable.

Something to do with the display support... I think.

Harsh!

Tell us what you did to prepare for this update.
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post #95 of 173
3/29/10 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Tell us what you did to prepare for this update.

Prepare?
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post #96 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:02pm
I'd think twice before updating.

There's definitely a serious bug.

Like I say... it seems to be in the display support.

If you've got two monitors stay away until this gets figured out.
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post #97 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:07pm
I updated to 10.6.3 this morning and everything seems fine except I ran into an issue with iCal showing the wrong date in the dock. I contacted apple support and after trying a variety of things nothing worked. The last resort was to reinstall the combo update and that did the trick. If any of you are having this problem after updating via software update go to the link below and download/install the combo, it will fix it.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1018
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post #98 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Wellllllllllllll...

This update has made my iMac almost unusable.

Something to do with the display support... I think.

Harsh!

Hey I had some issues too after updating. Apple gave me this link to download and reinstall the combo and it fixed all my issues. I hope it works for you as well.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1018
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post #99 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Tell us what you did to prepare for this update.

Wrong question! Tell us what we should have done to prepare for the update.

My computer has slowed down to a crawl.

EDIT: Now, the update has stopped after running for half an hour. it says: SafariErrorDomain error 2.
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post #100 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:33pm
FWIW, my OpenGL wasn't updated with this updater. Still the same as 10.6.2. Using a 3 yo MBP. Perhaps my card just won't work with the new drivers?
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post #101 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

OPen GL 4.0 is already being addd to GPUs. Of course, Windows will likely add support long before Apple does.




30X longer? You seriously expect anyone to believe that?

OpenGL 4.0 is for Nvidia 400+ series and newer, AMD/ATi 5000 series and newer.

http://www.g-truc.net/post-0269.html

Older system cards will hit the ceiling at OpenGL 3.3.

http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_driver.html

OpenGL 3.3 for Nvidia 8000 series or newer.

Apple will target OpenGL 3.3 before they release OpenGL 4.0 drivers.
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post #102 of 173
3/29/10 at 4:50pm
You're going to love this...

I thought the update problem I'm having was something to do with display support.

Uh uh... nope...

Safari is not playing nice with flash.

The Flash ads in Safari are causing my iMac to fritz.

Never ever happened in 2 1/2 years until this update.

Beware!
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post #103 of 173
3/29/10 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by sequitur View Post

Wrong question! Tell us what we should have done to prepare for the update.

My computer has slowed down to a crawl.

EDIT: Now, the update has stopped after running for half an hour. it says: SafariErrorDomain error 2.

You do have a backup ready, no?
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post #104 of 173
3/29/10 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by vitaflo View Post

FWIW, my OpenGL wasn't updated with this updater. Still the same as 10.6.2. Using a 3 yo MBP. Perhaps my card just won't work with the new drivers?

What card is in your system?

8600GM? If so, it's supported officially by Nvidia.
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post #105 of 173
3/29/10 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Prepare?

You answered my question. If you simply downloaded the update and applied it without running Disk Utility to at least check the condition of your hard drive then you have no business complaining about any problems you may have. If you failed to make a backup of your data you have no business complaining about problems either.

Yes, you need to prepare for any update you apply to your system. How do you know your hard drive doesn't have issues that would foul up an update? How do you know your system is healthy and not corrupted? Applying any update to a system of unknown stability is asking for trouble.
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post #106 of 173
3/29/10 at 7:50pm
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You're going to love this...

I thought the update problem I'm having was something to do with display support.

Uh uh... nope...

Safari is not playing nice with flash.

The Flash ads in Safari are causing my iMac to fritz.

Never ever happened in 2 1/2 years until this update.

Beware!

No one needs to "beware". Your system is corrupted. You did it to yourself by not taking any steps to ensure your system was healthy before applying the update. You may have to re-install OS X to clear your troubles. The 10.6.3 update is NOT the source of your troubles. You are.
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post #107 of 173
3/29/10 at 8:05pm
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You answered my question. If you simply downloaded the update and applied it without running Disk Utility to at least check the condition of your hard drive then you have no business complaining about any problems you may have. If you failed to make a backup of your data you have no business complaining about problems either.

Yes, you need to prepare for any update you apply to your system. How do you know your hard drive doesn't have issues that would foul up an update? How do you know your system is healthy and not corrupted? Applying any update to a system of unknown stability is asking for trouble.

I'm torn on your post. While I agree with your post in practice as I take precautions when I update my system, I can't and don't expect everyone to do the same. I feel that if running Repairing Permissions and Verifying the Disk was absolutely necessary that the install should initialize and run Disk Utility before updating. I also think that a stern warning should appear telling users to back up, etc. before updating. This is a Mac after all, not Linux.
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post #108 of 173
3/29/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

So, its just shy of OGL3.0 compliant.

Yep. Really, really pathetic for a multi-media and graphics desktop computer. PC cards have OpenGL 4.0 support with nvidia Fermi GPU's as of now and Windows users have DirectX 11 as an option. What is Apple playing at?
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post #109 of 173
3/29/10 at 8:40pm
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I'm torn on your post. While I agree with your post in practice as I take precautions when I update my system, I can't and don't expect everyone to do the same. I feel that if running Repairing Permissions and Verifying the Disk was absolutely necessary that the install should initialize and run Disk Utility before updating. I also think that a stern warning should appear telling users to back up, etc. before updating. This is a Mac after all, not Linux.

I agree. This is a Mac.

Besides, I did back-up my system, Time Machine runs constantly, and I have checked my system at least a couple of times since I installed snow leopard 6 months ago with absolutely zero problems showing. I don't call this "preparation" for an update. This is just sop.

This is the third time since I updated this afternoon that the computer just quit on me except the last time the screen went to black... no more blue and pink... and it's still running.

So... beware. This update could cause serious problems for you.
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post #110 of 173
3/29/10 at 8:54pm
Am I the only one here getting an "error installing upgrade", twice, both times after having downloaded the package again? On a 2.16ghz intel white 24" imac, with 10.6.2....

Very strange....
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post #111 of 173
3/29/10 at 8:56pm
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I agree. This is a Mac.

Besides, I did back-up my system, Time Machine runs constantly, and I have checked my system at least a couple of times since I installed snow leopard 6 months ago with absolutely zero problems showing. I don't call this "preparation" for an update. This is just sop.

This is the third time since I updated this afternoon that the computer just quit on me except the last time the screen went to black... no more blue and pink... and it's still running.

So... beware. This update could cause serious problems for you.

I do not know if this will help any, but try turning Time Machine to 'off' during a download. After all, Time Machine is a background process that is competing for resources. Generally, I shut down all applications, turn off Time Machine, and then do a Software Update. I patiently wait until the process completes with a restart. After several days, and if I'm satisfied with the update, I will do a 'Backup Now' on Time Machine. If for some reason the update is unsatisfactory, I download the 'combo' so I know that the update is internally consistent.

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post #112 of 173
3/29/10 at 9:06pm
What is the combo? I was reading this thread diagonally and I am sure I 've seen it before.

Anyway I am taking my valuable superduper full system backup and I ll try to install the update again.

Hopefully I won't get the error installing the update again...
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3/29/10 at 9:08pm
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I do not know if this will help any, but try turning Time Machine to 'off' during a download. After all, Time Machine is a background process that is competing for resources. Generally, I shut down all applications, turn off Time Machine, and then do a Software Update. I patiently wait until the process completes with a restart. After several days, and if I'm satisfied with the update, I will do a 'Backup Now' on Time Machine. If for some reason the update is unsatisfactory, I download the 'combo' so I know that the update is internally consistent.

The only part I didn't do was to shut down Time Machine... but I always do a restart and then I do the update.

As it is... I'll be reformatting my drive and reinstalling Snow Leopard.

I've had this iMac for over 2 1/2 years and I've been through 2 system changes, tiger to leopard to snow leopard... several software updates and this is the first time I'll have to reformat the drive.

It's hooped. It shuts down about every 10 minutes now.

Oh... and I tried the combo.
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post #114 of 173
3/29/10 at 9:08pm
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I'm torn on your post. While I agree with your post in practice as I take precautions when I update my system, I can't and don't expect everyone to do the same. I feel that if running Repairing Permissions and Verifying the Disk was absolutely necessary that the install should initialize and run Disk Utility before updating. I also think that a stern warning should appear telling users to back up, etc. before updating. This is a Mac after all, not Linux.

I agree. This kind of geeky approach to routine tasks should not be not necessary, and it is not necessary. Gearheads like to tell non-gearheads this kind of nonsense to make themselves feel superior.
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post #115 of 173
3/29/10 at 9:10pm
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The only part I didn't do was to shut down Time Machine... but I always do a restart and then I do the update.

As it is... I'll be reformatting my drive and reinstalling Snow Leopard.

I've had this iMac for over 2 1/2 years and I've been through 2 system changes, tiger to leopard to snow leopard... several software updates and this is the first time I'll have to reformat the drive.

It's hooped. It shuts down about every 10 minutes now.

Oh... and I tried the combo.

Reformatting is not required, even to completely reinstall OSX.
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post #116 of 173
3/29/10 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

I agree. This kind of geeky approach to routine tasks should not be not necessary, and it is not necessary. Gearheads like to tell non-gearheads this kind of nonsense to make themselves feel superior.

I wouldn't say it's always to feel superior. I do it, but I'm also prone to do crazy things to my system that i feel requires the extra precaution, though it's probably more paranoia from some catastrophic issue we had a long, long time ago.
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3/29/10 at 9:18pm
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Reformatting is not required, even to completely reinstall OSX.

Yeah, i'd just restore the OS over itself and then install the updates. Outside of a HW issue being the root cause I can't imagine this not being pretty much fool proof.
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3/29/10 at 9:21pm
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What is the combo? I was reading this thread diagonally and I am sure I 've seen it before.

Anyway I am taking my valuable superduper full system backup and I ll try to install the update again.

Hopefully I won't get the error installing the update again...

it's just a combination of all potential updates that all Macs running 10.6.x would need, whereas the one your System Updater grabs is based on your previous update history in the Receipts folder so it only grabs the needed updates, hence the smaller file size.
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post #119 of 173
3/29/10 at 9:25pm
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what card is in your system?

8600gm? If so, it's supported officially by nvidia.

ati x1600.
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3/29/10 at 9:30pm
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it's just a combination of all potential updates that all Macs running 10.6.x would need, whereas the one your System Updater grabs is based on your previous update history in the Receipts folder so it only grabs the needed updates, hence the smaller file size.

In case previous updates might have been corrupted during or after install?
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