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post #41 of 125
3/29/10 at 2:51pm
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Can you advise how to format a scientific publication for iPad? Thanks.

Make it look just like a magazine but with a 4:3 ratio for a 9.7" display. They have all the tools they need. What you asked for isn't tough to do with ePub. It is impossible with ePub if you want something more interactive, but there is WebKit and Cocoa for that. Your question is akin to asking how a video game can be played on the iPad when your looking at a children's book.
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post #42 of 125
3/29/10 at 2:51pm
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It seems that in trying to differentiate themselves, other tablet interfaces have resorted to over-the-top flying, flipping logos that engage in video acrobatics just because they're able to, not because they have to. Things are asymmetric, with interface elements seemingly shot with Dutch angles, which instills a bleak, unstable, frenetic feel to the experience.

Nobody besides apple has any taste. Never did.
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post #43 of 125
3/29/10 at 2:56pm
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I'd like to know if iPad users will be able to share documents directly with their Mac, i.e. without having to give Apple a copy via iDisk.

iDisk has industrial-strength encryption end-to-end. Not only that, but the encryption algorithm is industry standard, vetted by the finest cryptographers in the business. Apple cannot see what you upload. Nobody can. It is technologically infeasible to break Apple's iDisk encryption.
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post #44 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:00pm
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Make it look just like a magazine but with a 4:3 ratio for a 9.7" display. They have all the tools they need. What you asked for isn't tough to do with ePub. It is impossible with ePub if you want something more interactive, but there is WebKit and Cocoa for that. Your question is akin to asking how a video game can be played on the iPad when your looking at a children's book.

Maybe I'm missing something here. What authoring environment does someone use to created complex layouts because inDesign isn't cutting it for me?

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post #45 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:04pm
Just got done with all the videos, the last few were the hardest to watch.

I'm cool, I'm hard, I'm a power user. I run 4 or 5 operating systems at once if I wish on my MacBook Pro. I avoid iLife like the plague, "Pro" apps is what I use if I need it.

The iPad and it's sickening lameness, is NOT for me. Ever.

God, I want to fscking puke.


I can't see anyone who wants to be cool being caught dead with a iPad.

It's the ultimate lame device, even my high school kid agrees.

And it's looking like one has little choice but, being the iPad isn't a open device.
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post #46 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:04pm
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Maybe I'm missing something here. What authoring environment does someone use to created complex layouts because inDesign isn't cutting it for me?

The comment I replied to said "format", now you are saying "authoring". Obviously there is no iPad Interactive Publishing Authoring Software Kit at this point so they'll have to use what they've been using until they or someone makes one.

What do they use to publish article on the web? Those same apps can be made for a 768x1024 9.7" display and auto-detect the device type, just like thousands of websites use for their mobile versions.
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post #47 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

The comment I replied to said "format", now you are saying "authoring". Obviously there is no iPad Interactive Publishing Authoring Software Kit at this point so they'll have to use what they've been using until they or someone makes one.

Sorry I guess for the sake of brevity I was not clear enough. I want to layout some magazine style art as you mention. I have been able to code some css to add captions, fonts, colors in ePub but I'm a long, long, long way from where I need to be. Have you ever worked in the ePub format? Picture to the right, picture to the left, center type, justify type, is about all you apparently get with a standard ePub. No matter what you do in inDesign it does not translate to ePub when you export it.

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post #48 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:18pm
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Just got done with all the videos, the last few were the hardest to watch.

I'm cool, I'm hard, I'm a power user. I run 4 or 5 operating systems at once if I wish on my MacBook Pro. I avoid iLife like the plague, "Pro" apps is what I use if I need it.

The iPad and it's sickening lameness, is NOT for me. Ever.

God, I want to fscking puke.


I can't see anyone who wants to be cool being caught dead with a iPad.

It's the ultimate lame device, even my high school kid agrees.

And it's looking like one has little choice but, being the iPad isn't a open device.

you know, people who like the idea of the ipad don't post all day and simply say "OMG I CAN'T BELIVE SOMMEONE WOULDN'T WANT THIS WHAT A BUNCH OF LUZERS"

its really, really tired. I won't even touch the irony of "I can't see anyone who wants to be cool being caught dead with an iPad."

Critique the videos and the product, but do so critically
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post #49 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:23pm
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The iPad ... is NOT for me. Ever.

You got that right. Apple can't please everyone, and they never try to. The good thing is though - Apple sell laptops that do just what you want already.

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post #50 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:24pm
Is it just me or does everyone in a video showing someone using an iPad look like they need to sit in some awkward way just to be comfortable holding it? Obviously only a lucky few have used the device and time will tell what it is like to use, but it does make me wonder how comfortable it is to use.
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post #51 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:25pm
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Critique the videos and the product, but do so critically

Don't tell him how to criticize things, he's entitled to do it as he pleases.

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post #52 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:31pm
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Is it just me or does everyone in a video showing someone using an iPad look like they need to sit in some awkward way just to be comfortable holding it? Obviously only a lucky few have used the device and time will tell what it is like to use, but it does make me wonder how comfortable it is to use.

It's not just you. I imagine it would be most comfortable to use when sitting on a soft couch.

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post #53 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:33pm
If the iPad could do one and only one thing, I'd buy it:

Display a PDF from any mac (or PC) on my network.

For a tablet computer, this seems to me to be the most basic task.

I really don't see how an iPad could be useful. Save the $500 + cost of an antiglare screen film and buy a laptop.
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post #54 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:35pm
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Sorry I guess for the sake of brevity I was not clear enough. I want to layout some magazine style art as you mention. I have been able to code some css to add captions, fonts, colors in ePub but I'm a long, long, long way from where I need to be. Have you ever worked in the ePub format? Picture to the right, picture to the left, center type, justify type, is about all you apparently get with a standard ePub. No matter what you do in inDesign it does not translate to ePub when you export it.

On that note, from a user's perspective, I'm right there wish you. It's pretty much the reason why I currently have no interest in the iPad as a consumer.

In fact I was just talking about this oversight yesterday. If they offered a great way to get magazines and newspapers on the device, reinvigorating periodical sales, I would have been on board, likely subscribing to more content than I could possible read. I don't read printed periodicals much and have never been a fan of browser-based news despite the convenience.

This could have been even bigger and given these companies, which seem to be falling everyday, a chance at survival while offering something better than their printed materials. For instance, I think interactive content like NYTimes crossword puzzle to be done in the virtual newspaper and even an option to export to mail or print and Popular Science magazine to offer streaming interviews and prototypes that can be manipulated in 3D. I also think it has to be auto-delivered like Podcasts are to iTunes, your print magazines to your mailbox and newspapers to your front door when they are ready.

The conclusion of my conversation was that if Apple expected even half the rush they seem to be experiencing that perhaps they didn't feel it had to be ready with the 1st iPad. After all, iPhone OS and the App Store have done great despite not being timed together. I think we'll eventually get what we want out of the device.
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post #55 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by davida View Post

If the iPad could do one and only one thing, I'd buy it:

Display a PDF from any mac (or PC) on my network.

I am positive there's a solution for you.

The biggest drawback is not viewing documents, it's printing. Just like the iPhone, direct printing is a mish-mash-mess.

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post #56 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:41pm
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Is it just me or does everyone in a video showing someone using an iPad look like they need to sit in some awkward way just to be comfortable holding it? Obviously only a lucky few have used the device and time will tell what it is like to use, but it does make me wonder how comfortable it is to use.


Really, kind of hard to convince people that your working when you got your feet up on the desk so your legs are supporting the iPad in the correct viewing angle. Note: the iPad Case isn't enough.


People will soon begin to realize the detrimental ergonomic side effects of the iPad, namely the inability to hold itself in a viewing position relative to the eyes and the constant arm hand movements to navigate the screen. Also that reflective screen and fingerprints.

I see iPad Cases coming later from third parties that have the other half of a laptop in them, a real keyboard, trackpad and a monitor stand. By the time one buys that in addition to a iPad, it would cost just as much as a MacBook/Pro.


Check out this survey of potential iPad purchasers

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=108183
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post #57 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:42pm
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The biggest drawback is not viewing documents, it's printing. Just like the iPhone, direct printing is a mish-mash-mess.

I was under the impression that the iPad had a proper direct printing option and network file accessibility.
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post #58 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:45pm
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On that note, from a user's perspective, I'm right there wish you. It's pretty much the reason why I currently have no interest in the iPad as a consumer.

In fact I was just talking about this oversight yesterday. If they offered a great way to get magazines and newspapers on the device, reinvigorating periodical sales, I would have been on board, likely subscribing to more content than I could possible read. I don't read printed periodicals much and have never been a fan of browser-based news despite the convenience.

This could have been even bigger and given these companies, which seem to be falling everyday, a chance at survival while offering something better than their printed materials. For instance, I think interactive content like NYTimes crossword puzzle to be done in the virtual newspaper and even an option to export to mail or print and Popular Science magazine to offer streaming interviews and prototypes that can be manipulated in 3D. I also think it has to be auto-delivered like Podcasts are to iTunes, your print magazines to your mailbox and newspapers to your front door when they are ready.

The conclusion of my conversation was that if Apple expected even half the rush they seem to be experiencing that perhaps they didn't feel it had to be ready with the 1st iPad. After all, iPhone OS and the App Store have done great despite not being timed together. I think we'll eventually get what we want out of the device.

I'm sure Apple has shared with the big publishers how to "format" an ePub to leverage the capabilities of the iPad however small publishers like our firm are just shooting in the dark. There are so many instances where xml style sheets differ from CSS on the web. You get errors and messages that styles are not permitted in some tags. Some styles are not supported, etc.

It is sort of like trying to write a message upside down and backwards compared to web programming. I'll get it eventually but without sufficient examples and only abstracted specifications, the going is slow.

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post #59 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:45pm
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iDisk has industrial-strength encryption end-to-end. Not only that, but the encryption algorithm is industry standard, vetted by the finest cryptographers in the business. Apple cannot see what you upload. Nobody can. It is technologically infeasible to break Apple's iDisk encryption.

You'll need to provide a trusted authority before I believe data are encrypted on Apple's iDisk servers. I know the communications can be encrypted (using https), but I believe iDisk communications can also be unencrypted (using http) and I don't believe the stored data are encrypted at all on Apple's servers--unless what you put there was already encrypted.

This isn't any different than most on-line services, but that doesn't mean any of them should be trusted.
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post #60 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I am positive there's a solution for you.

The biggest drawback is not viewing documents, it's printing. Just like the iPhone, direct printing is a mish-mash-mess.

Really? What?

It can't mount a network shared volume. I don't want to have to go 'download' a PDF to the iPad every time I want to view a PDF.

If I'm wrong on this, please show me a reference.
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post #61 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:48pm
I'm planning on taking the iPad along on a cruise in May, for reading books and viewing our photos, and reading e-mail. I'm going to bet that nobody on the ship will tell me I'm an uncool loser, but that a lot of people will ask "is that an iPad?"

Either way, it's a risk I'm willing to take.
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post #62 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:52pm
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I was under the impression that the iPad had a proper direct printing option and network file accessibility.

About printing as fas as I know your impression is incorrect. Having to buy an app (and they don't tend to be free) to print is fundamentally wrong. Not to mention if you have the "wrong" printer it simply won't work.

There should be a contextual option called "Print" and it then downloads the "exact" driver for that printer - taking up minimal space on the device. But that's too much to ask, from a company where things "just work". Printing on the iPhone and iPad doesn't "just work", and if you've the wrong model of printer it "won't work", no matter that you do. Regardless of bonjour or wireless.

Besides………… even if it DID work. Having to download an app to print, is, like I say, ridiculous.

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post #63 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:56pm
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You'll need to provide a trusted authority before I believe data are encrypted on Apple's iDisk servers. I know the communications can be encrypted (using https), but I believe iDisk communications can also be unencrypted (using http) and I don't believe the stored data are encrypted at all on Apple's servers--unless what you put there was already encrypted.

This isn't any different than most on-line services, but that doesn't mean any of them should be trusted.

I wanted to respond how completely whacked that notion was but I could not bear the thought of getting into that dialog based on the adamancy of the original comment.

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3/29/10 at 3:56pm
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I'm planning on taking the iPad along on a cruise in May, for reading books and viewing our photos, and reading e-mail. I'm going to bet that nobody on the ship will tell me I'm an uncool loser, but that a lot of people will ask "is that an iPad?"

Either way, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

You'd be better off not caring what people think.

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post #65 of 125
3/29/10 at 3:59pm
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Really? What?

It can't mount a network shared volume. I don't want to have to go 'download' a PDF to the iPad every time I want to view a PDF.

If I'm wrong on this, please show me a reference.

I'm not going to look into it for you, I'm far too lazy. But there are solutions. But yes, that too should be way easier.

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post #66 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:01pm
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About printing as fas as I know your impression is incorrect. Having to buy an app (and they don't tend to be free) to print is fundamentally wrong. Not to mention if you have the "wrong" printer it simply won't work.

I believe you're right... and that it's a result of limited in-house developer resources at Apple or the difficulty of coordinating it all. The whole iPhone/iPad OS ecosystem is going to take a while to be fleshed out. By choosing what to omit early on and through careful marketing, Apple can bring its products to market sooner than otherwise and get them to pay for their own future development.
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post #67 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:02pm
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Just got done with all the videos, the last few were the hardest to watch.

I'm cool, I'm hard, I'm a power user. I run 4 or 5 operating systems at once if I wish on my MacBook Pro. I avoid iLife like the plague, "Pro" apps is what I use if I need it.

The iPad and it's sickening lameness, is NOT for me. Ever.

God, I want to fscking puke.


I can't see anyone who wants to be cool being caught dead with a iPad.

It's the ultimate lame device, even my high school kid agrees.

And it's looking like one has little choice but, being the iPad isn't a open device.

You are fsking pukiliciously funny!
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3/29/10 at 4:03pm
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I believe you're right... and that it's a result of limited in-house developer resources at Apple or the difficulty of coordinating it all. The whole iPhone/iPad OS ecosystem is going to take a while to be fleshed out. By choosing what to omit early on and through careful marketing, Apple can bring its products to market sooner than otherwise and get them to pay for their own future development.

Makes sense. At least someone like you can provide a little perspective without saying: "actually you can do that". Thank you.

You would think 3 years in though, they would have addressed something as fundamental as printing. Now that the iPad is here you'll hear more clamoring for printing built into the OS I think.

The automatic downloading of the right driver when you try to print to the office or home printer would be the ultimate solution:

We have found a "HP 2600n Color laser jet" printer nearby, if you would like to download the require software to print to this printer tap "Ok". Otherwise tap "Cancel". And when you did tap Ok the driver would install directly.

Sure, it would take work on Apple's part for it to work this seamlessly, but it would work so fittingly it seems like the only solution to me.

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post #69 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:05pm
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Is it just me or does everyone in a video showing someone using an iPad look like they need to sit in some awkward way just to be comfortable holding it?

So does other tablet and slate devices.
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post #70 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by davida View Post

Really? What?

It can't mount a network shared volume. I don't want to have to go 'download' a PDF to the iPad every time I want to view a PDF.

If I'm wrong on this, please show me a reference.

1) I thought that iBook already included a PDF viewing feature?

2) What makes you think Adobe would not come up with an app that solves this problem?
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post #71 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I am positive there's a solution for you.

The biggest drawback is not viewing documents, it's printing. Just like the iPhone, direct printing is a mish-mash-mess.

So, write an app. If you can't, not a big deal -- I am sure someone will.
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3/29/10 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

You'll need to provide a trusted authority before I believe data are encrypted on Apple's iDisk servers. I know the communications can be encrypted (using https), but I believe iDisk communications can also be unencrypted (using http) and I don't believe the stored data are encrypted at all on Apple's servers--unless what you put there was already encrypted.

This isn't any different than most on-line services, but that doesn't mean any of them should be trusted.

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I wanted to respond how completely whacked that notion was but I could not bear the thought of getting into that dialog based on the adamancy of the original comment.

He's not serious, it's iGenius back one more time playing at being the stupid fan boy. Apparently Techstud has decided to follow suit.

BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THESE IDIOTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL.

Also, honest question: just what has to be wrong with you to want to spend time posing as the idiot you take others to be? It's like some kind of weird doubled back self referential little douche world, where the only thing you can see is the reflection of your own miserable, cramped little psyche. I truly can't fathom it.
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post #73 of 125
3/29/10 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

About printing as fas as I know your impression is incorrect. Having to buy an app (and they don't tend to be free) to print is fundamentally wrong. Not to mention if you have the "wrong" printer it simply won't work.

There should be a contextual option called "Print" and it then downloads the "exact" driver for that printer - taking up minimal space on the device. But that's too much to ask, from a company where things "just work". Printing on the iPhone and iPad doesn't "just work", and if you've the wrong model of printer it "won't work", no matter that you do. Regardless of bonjour or wireless.

Besides even if it DID work. Having to download an app to print, is, like I say, ridiculous.

Ah, I see you dealt with it. I am not sure why it is 'fundamentally wrong' or 'ridiculous.'

If something is that important to you, I am not sure why you wouldn't want to pay a couple of bucks for it.
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3/29/10 at 4:12pm
One of the things I'm looking for is a PDF viewer. While apple doesn't seem to be supplying a good one, I'm going to start with the PDF viewer in 'Papers'. I use Papers on my mac, and the Papers for iphone ($9.00) will synch with the mac papers' library and, my guess is that it will fill the bill.

If it doesn't, I'll be shocked if there aren't many alternatives, either thru apple or 3rd party apps.

The iPad is a device that is not even version 1. No one has seen apps written specifically for it. it should be flexible and fun.
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3/29/10 at 4:14pm
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So, write an app.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

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3/29/10 at 4:15pm
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Ah, I see you dealt with it. I am not sure why it is 'fundamentally wrong' or 'ridiculous.'

If something is that important to you, I am not sure why you wouldn't want to pay a couple of bucks for it.

This guy simply does not get it. Ask Foo2 to explain it to you.

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3/29/10 at 4:17pm
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Sorry I guess for the sake of brevity I was not clear enough. I want to layout some magazine style art as you mention. I have been able to code some css to add captions, fonts, colors in ePub but I'm a long, long, long way from where I need to be. Have you ever worked in the ePub format? Picture to the right, picture to the left, center type, justify type, is about all you apparently get with a standard ePub. No matter what you do in inDesign it does not translate to ePub when you export it.

It sounds like you want to use the ePub format for something it is not designed to support. It is not for complex layouts and it only supports a subset of CSS2 as described in the OPS CSS 2.0 part of the ePub specification. The main "feature" or property of ePub files is their capability to adjust to different screen sizes from feature phones to 30" displays and repaginate as needed. This does not go along with complex layouts, as there is really no layout that would work for all screen sizes. ePub is for text and maybe a single image here and there; not much else.

You may confuse the iPad demos from WSJ, NYT and some magazines with what ePub/iBooks can do? None of them is using ePub and none of them will be viewed through iBooks. They all use custom applications doing their own rendering and using own file formats. If you want to bring complex documents to the iPad, the options are PDF, HTML+CSS and/or a custom app, not iBooks. Actually using a PDF and adding some navigation features to it (add some buttons using Acrobat Pro or PDFpen) might be the easiest solution.
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3/29/10 at 4:18pm
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One of the things I'm looking for is a PDF viewer. While apple doesn't seem to be supplying a good one, I'm going to start with the PDF viewer in 'Papers'. I use Papers on my mac, and the Papers for iphone ($9.00) will synch with the mac papers' library and, my guess is that it will fill the bill.

Are you sure you have to pay $9 to view PDFs like this?

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3/29/10 at 4:20pm
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I'd like to know if iPad users will be able to share documents directly with their Mac, i.e. without having to give Apple a copy via iDisk.

Email Steve. Apparently, he's been responding to emails, albeit curtly. But in your case, that would do: yes or no!

I think it's sjobs@apple.com
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3/29/10 at 4:25pm
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Finally got them to download. Did you see the iBooks App? Granted that was a children's book, but notice how overly simplified that layout is. We are going to have more academic content so we need to see something with tables, figures, pictures with captions, footnotes. Is that going to be possible or are we stuck with nursery rhymes level of sophistication? Frankly what I see here is about the level of complexity I have been able to achieve so far with inDesign's default exporting to ePub format.

From wikipedia:
One criticism of EPUB is that, while good for text-centric books, it is unsuitable for publications which require precise layout or contain advanced formatting. Examples of such publications are comic books and technical books.
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