New Office 11 for Mac sports dense ribbons of buttons - Page 2

Originally Posted by solipsism

It seems clear to me that the author's used the phrase 'Windows Vista-era "Ribbon"' instead of just using a more general term to refer to the ribbon as to specifically prevent confusion

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Will take the iWork look over Office any day. Attractive, clean, simple, obvious.

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Microsoft has not delivered a tablet version of Office, reportedly because of political and management issues flaring between the Office group and engineers working on Tablet PC.

Originally Posted by solipsism

How about a link from the company that actually made the Windows Ribbon Framework.

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http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...91(VS.85).aspx Look at that, tou even got lucky because Microsoft even stats everything I previous stated all in one page as this is general knowledge for those that have a working knowledge of Windows.

Originally Posted by nikon133

I think you are a bit off target, Sol.

Similar in functionality and appearance to the Microsoft Office 2007 Fluent user interface, the Ribbon framework is composed of a ribbon command bar that exposes...

This implies that Ribbon Framework is created after the fashion of Office 2007 Ribbons, not the other way around; since Vista SP2 is minimum requirement, Ribbon Framework is way younger than Office 2007. Additionally, it is only similar in functionality and appearance... which does not mean it is the same thing, but same GUI philosophy.

Basically, they borrowed idea from Office 2007 and implemented it into Ribbon Framework - not the other way around. But same thing? I don't think so...

Originally Posted by solipsism

And there we have the trolls typical flipfloping on the debate when he actually realizes he's backed himself into yet another corner. Sad.

Let's go back to te beginning. You angrily exclaimed that the author's clear use of the phrase "Vista Ribbon" which has been pointed out refers to the Windows Ribbons Framework found in Vista SP2.

But now you claiming that I stated "Windows Office 2007 [requires] Vista to have the ribbon interface". What Mickey Mouse world do you live in that you think that makes sense?

Originally Posted by Quadra 610


Will take the iWork look over Office any day. Attractive, clean, simple, obvious.

Originally Posted by nikon133

Technically, I'd say article is not correct for calling Office Ribbons Vista Ribbons, as Office ribbons are pre-dating Windows Ribbons Framework (a.k.a Vista Ribbon). It makes more sense the other way around, calling Windows Ribbons Framework Office Ribbons, though considering requirements, it is obvious look and feel are comparable, but execution is completely different.

Does this make any sense?

Originally Posted by Quadra 610



Will take the iWork look over Office any day. Attractive, clean, simple, obvious.

Originally Posted by oneaburns

I'm going to have to disagree here. Too many common tasks are buried in iWork. My one gripe with Office for Mac is that it was too different from the Windows version. I especially hate the function bar for Excel being docked at the top...and it also defaults to not show it at all. I think this new design is a step in the RIGHT direction.

Originally Posted by solipsism

As usual you fail on every level, even attacking the author for your ignorance.

MS Office 2007 offered the Fluent user interface. This is similar in both appearance and functionality to the Windows Ribbon Framework, often referred to as Vista Ribbon because the minimum requirements were Windows Vista SP2.

Originally Posted by Saldog

You shouldn't call people ignorant when you're the one who's ignorant.

The Ribbon Bar is not referred to as a Vista Bar by Windows users. The author should be cut some slack since this is not a Microsoft fan site, but it is what it is. Don't act like a troll.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Will take the iWork look over Office any day. Attractive, clean, simple, obvious.

Originally Posted by oneaburns

I'm going to have to disagree here. Too many common tasks are buried in iWork.

Originally Posted by solipsism

And which troll created this new alias? iGenius? Angus Young?

This is simple, simple stuff. The Fluent UI came BEFORE Vista so it can't be the Vista-era Ribbon mentioned in the article. Since the author specific referred to the Vista-era Ribbon it CANNOT be the the Ribbon in Fluent UI, which predates Vista. By process of elimination it has to be Windows Ribbon Framework, again ad nauseum, requires Vista SP2. How many links to MS sites do you need before you understand evolution of technology.

Originally Posted by solipsism

And which troll created this new alias? iGenius? Angus Young?

This is simple, simple stuff. The Fluent UI came BEFORE Vista so it can't be the Vista-era Ribbon mentioned in the article. Since the author specific referred to the Vista-era Ribbon it CANNOT be the the Ribbon in Fluent UI, which predates Vista. By process of elimination it has to be Windows Ribbon Framework, again ad nauseum, requires Vista SP2. How many links to MS sites do you need before you understand evolution of technology.

Originally Posted by Saldog

I don't need to look at Microsoft's web site. Just the 20 machines at my work running XP and Office 2007, all with Ribbon Bars. Troll.

Not an alias. Not a MS fan boy. Love Macs but have to use Windows at work. Hard core Windows user for about 20 years. I have iWork at home. Nowhere near as powerful as Office. Office for Mac should work just like Office Windows to deal with the simple fact that we have to switch back and forth regularly. MS finally understands this and is making Office 2011 more like 2007.

Originally Posted by fleet

Solipsism would get further if he left out the insults, but he is not trying to say that Office 2007 does not have the ribbon in Windows XP. He is simply trying to explain that there are two implementations of the ribbon interface at Microsoft, the Fluent UI and the Windows Ribbon Framework. The Fluent UI for Office was created first and is only used in Office. Based off of that the Windows group created the Windows Ribbon Framework to use in other Windows applications and for use by other developers. The two implementations are different though similar and the reason there are two different implementations of the ribbon likely has to do with internal politics within Microsoft.

Solipsism's original post was in response to AngusYoung's statement that the author, in referring to the ribbon in Office for Mac as the Vista Ribbon, was showing his ignorance on the subject. Solipsism tried to point out that the author of the article was probably referring to the Windows Ribbon Framework when he stated that it was a Vista Ribbon, as the framework was added in Vista SP2. Perhaps the author felt that the look of the ribbon more closely resembles the ribbon that is part of the framework built for Vista than the Office ribbon and was not actually ignorant of the ribbons origins. This is obviously what Solipsism was trying to point out but AngusYoung took the statements and provided references to mean that Solipsism was trying to argue that the ribbon in Office 2007 was only available in Vista SP2 and later which was not the case.

From that point neither of them really seemed to understand what the other was saying and things got ugly. Solipsism even accused AngusYoung of changing his argument part way through, which he did not. AngusYoung simply failed to properly understand what Solipsism was trying to say and Solipsism failed to recognize how AngusYoung was interpreting his statements and explain the misunderstanding. If they had taken the time to better understand what the other was saying they would have realized that they were both right about certain things and weren't really arguing the same point of contention.

Solipsism is correct in saying that the Windows Ribbon Framework was created as part of Windows Vista SP2 and later. Solipsism could be correct in saying that this is what the author was referring to when he compared the Office for Mac ribbon to the Vista ribbon. AngusYoung was correct in pointing out that Office 2007 was the first program to have the ribbon interface and that the ribbon in Office is available on Windows XP. On these two points Solipsism is in agreement. So, there would seem to be nothing more to argue about. The case is closed.

Originally Posted by Saldog

Thanks fleet. Clears things up. Nicely done.

Originally Posted by jeffharris

BTW: RTF files are MUCH more cross-platform compatible than ANY MS document format.

Originally Posted by Roos24

Unfortunately, since almost all my customers use MS-Word for their documents, it is almost a necessity to have MS-Word for the Mac. Pages just isn't fully compatible.

Originally Posted by solipsism

MS Office 2007 offered the Fluent user interface. This is similar in both appearance and functionality to the Windows Ribbon Framework, often referred to as Vista Ribbon because the minimum requirements were Windows Vista SP2.

Originally Posted by solipsism

How about a link from the company that actually made the Windows Ribbon Framework.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...91(VS.85).aspx

Originally Posted by solipsism

the author's clear use of the phrase "Vista Ribbon" which has been pointed out refers to the Windows Ribbons Framework found in Vista SP2.

Screenshots of Microsoft's 2011 version of its productivity suite for Mac have appeared, highlighting a more serious user interface appearance and the Vista Ribbon.

Originally Posted by fleet

Solipsism would get further if he left out the insults, but he is not trying to say that Office 2007 does not have the ribbon in Windows XP. He is simply trying to explain that there are two implementations of the ribbon interface at Microsoft, the Fluent UI and the Windows Ribbon Framework.

Originally Posted by Mr. H

Of course, if you want to discuss the differences between the "Fluent" Ribbon and the "Vista" Ribbon, go ahead. But stop trying to prove Solipsism wrong when he is clearly correct and you don't understand what he is saying.

Originally Posted by Dlux

I wonder what's supposed to happen when I click the floppy disk icon?

Does the program generate a little whirring/clicking noise, just for nostalgia's sake?

(C'mon, MacBU, it's Two Thousand And Ten already!)

Originally Posted by godrifle

Microsoft's graphic designers are third-rate. What is up with those nasty icons?

Originally Posted by ascii

Outlook for Mac! Sweet. Outlook Express was my favourite OS 9 email client. I know they are not the same program, but it is enough to make me download the demo (whenever that is).

I only hope it is easy to use for a home user with Internet email, and not only designed for Office/Corporate LAN use.

Originally Posted by TiAdiMundo

You really have no idea what an icon is. Haven't you seen the "phone" icon on the iPhone? Or the "iPod" icon on the iPad? They are all legacy shapes because people know what these old shapes mean. That is the idea behind icons. Scissors are another example of that for the "cut" command.