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Adding to an earlier report of Apple's forthcoming next-generation iPhone, Daring Fireball on Monday claimed Apple's new handset will feature a custom A4 processor, 960x640 double-resolution display, and a second front-facing camera.

Author John Gruber sarcastically mentioned an earlier report from The Wall Street Journal, calling it the paper's "lame entry in the iPhone rumors game."

In addition to details on the processor, display and camera, Gruber also reiterated what AppleInsider reported earlier this month: Apple's iPhone 4.0 software will add multitasking support for third-party applications.

Separately, Engadget also reported an anonymous tip that the device would be dubbed the iPhone HD, and will be announced on Tuesday, June 22. If true, that would be a week before the rumored schedule of June 28 through July 2 for WWDC 2010.

When Apple introduced its forthcoming iPad in January, the Cupertino, Calif., company revealed that the device is powered by a custom-built system-on-a-chip dubbed the Apple A4. The speedy 1GHz processor is based on the ARM architecture and includes an integrated CPU and graphics processing.

That Apple's custom silicon would find its way into the next-generation iPhone should come as no surprise, as the company has been a licensee of ARM for years and has been long rumored to leverage its $278 million acquisition of fabless chip designer P.A. Semi for its mobile devices.

A forward-facing camera for videoconferencing is a feature that some users have desired in the iPhone for years. In the months of build-up to the iPad's unveiling, many reports alleged that the device would include a forward-facing camera, and alleged parts appear to show an internal spot for such an accessory.

In February, a patent application from Apple showed a forward-facing camera on an iPhone-like device. The application described technology for superior picture and video recording performance on mobile devices.

Gruber's posting was prompted by a report from the Journal that alleged Apple is working on two new iPhone models, including a CDMA-capable model for release on the Verizon network in the U.S.

In January, AppleInsider received word that Apple was shopping for LED flash components to potentially add a camera flash to the fourth-generation iPhone.
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If the iPad didn't get a forward facing camera I doubt the iPhone will... \
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Holy crap, the pace of change is becoming fast!
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If the iPad didn't get a forward facing camera I doubt the iPhone will... \

I don't see the conection.
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Good to see Apple is using their own chip, A4 in their products.
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I seriously doubt the very same A4 found on the iPad will find its way to the iPhone. First because I refuse to believe it is just a standard 1GHz processor: the nexus one's snapdragon is one and couldn't pull off such impressive performance on the iPad even it were dreaming. I'd bet the A4 is three or four-cored.

I do, however, believe in an Apple processor on the next-gen iPhone. A2 or whatever.

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If it was just going to be for iChat style video conferencing on the iPhone, I doubt Apple would do it now. But user facing camera on the iPhone + chat roulette = interweb nirvana ( a sales/marketing opportunity for Apple) - at least for awhile. I would love to see that demo'ed during the rollout of the next gen iPhone. Cut to Steve or Phil (or whoever) up on stage hitting the usual 'lively' content on chat roulette. Priceless moment.

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If the iPad didn't get a forward facing camera I doubt the iPhone will... \

AI "In February, a patent application from Apple showed a forward-facing camera on an iPhone-like device. The application described technology for superior picture and video recording performance on mobile devices."

iPad is a different critter altogether. iPhone patent for forward camera seems to support the speculation that the next iPhone will have a forward camera. Look to the 4G to take two steps forward of the competition--no looking back.
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....Daring Fireball on Monday claimed Apple's new handset will feature a custom A4 processor, 960x640 double-resolution display, and a second front-facing camera.

Gruber claimed nothing of the sort!
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This next-gen phone sounds amazing... too amazing. I hope Gruber is right, but I suspect a significant quantity of this is a wish-list... But I really, really hope that it isn't!!!!

I'm seriously due for a refresh -- my 3G is starting to loose pixels (4 down), and that isn't being helped by a near-continuous dropping experience (I keep dropping it, not calls).
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I do, however, believe in an Apple processor on the next-gen iPhone. A2 or whatever.

And the next AppleTV.
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So when can you pre-order your next iPhone??

Be sure to place your order early.
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I hope they don't call it iPhone HD - first cause of zune, second cause of App HD is used for iPad now.

Other then that front facing cam. would help the iphone to stay competitive against phones like HTC Evo 4G, which looks hella appealing (hardware side at least). It would also be nice to see a design update, not that the current iPhone will ever look bad (its basically just the screen, not much you can do about that) but the design is starting to look stale.
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I seriously doubt the very same A4 found on the iPad will find its way to the iPhone. First because I refuse to believe it is just a standard 1GHz processor: the nexus one's snapdragon is one and couldn't pull off such impressive performance on the iPad even it were dreaming. I'd bet the A4 is three or four-cored.

I do, however, believe in an Apple processor on the next-gen iPhone. A2 or whatever.

A4 for the iPad can come in as a Quad Core. The A4 for the iPhone 4GS can come in as a Duo-Core.
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It just dawned on me why the MBPs are so late in being upgraded...

They will have a Touch Screen supported by Mac OS X (in addition to the kb & trackpad).

Within 2 years, every Mac display will be MultiTouch!

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this is HUGE
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It's nice to see Apple finally catching up with the competition.
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It's nice to see Apple finally catching up with the competition.

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It's nice to see Apple finally catching up with the competition.

You are joking right "finally catching up", finally, really? I am guessing you don't understand product cycles and manufacturing, maybe Steve miss-placed his magic wand?

(sorry had to use the term magic)

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Gruber claimed nothing of the sort!

True, and well worth pointing out, but: having read Gruber for a while it seems unlikely that he would phrase a post like that unless he was making a sort of sly prediction. He's generally pretty straightforward about stuff like that, but if he just meant to catalogue the various rumors afoot, I don't think he would have used that particular construction.

But you're right, it's at least ambiguous and doesn't really rise to the level of Gruber claiming anything.
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You are joking right "finally catching up", finally, really? I am guessing you don't understand product cycles and manufacturing, maybe Steve miss-placed his magic wand?

(sorry had to use the term magic)

g3pro, bless his heart, is working from the large type book of snark, with pictures, so he doesn't have a lot that's new to say. I think this is about the fifth time for that particular little leaden dig.
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It's nice to see Apple finally catching up with the competition.

Thats because Apple is lapping their competition again--
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Video-calls are a gimmick.
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Video-calls are a gimmick.

Good lord, it's in blue so it must be true.
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Good lord, it's in blue so it must be true.

It is true. People have cameras to video conference on their computers but only a very small percentage actually ever use them. Talking on the phone is quicker, easier and generally more efficient.
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I don't see the conection.

A large screen business tablet is more conducive to video conferencing (like the way a laptop is) than a phone is.
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It is true. People have cameras to video conference on their computers but only a very small percentage actually ever use them. Talking on the phone is quicker, easier and generally more efficient.

Sorry, now it's in orange, which doesn't rhyme with anything. Therefore: false.
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You are joking right "finally catching up", finally, really? I am guessing you don't understand product cycles and manufacturing, maybe Steve miss-placed his magic wand?

(sorry had to use the term magic)

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There are already phones with forward-facing cameras for video conferencing.


I understand product cycle. Apple's upcoming product cycle is rumored to integrate a feature that has been available for other phones.
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g3pro, bless his heart, is working from the large type book of snark, with pictures, so he doesn't have a lot that's new to say. I think this is about the fifth time for that particular little leaden dig.

Excuse me, do you mean to say that Apple invented the front-facing camera? Or is it merely adding a feature that is already available in other phones?

Don't avoid the truth like a fool.
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I hope they don't call it iPhone HD - first cause of zune, second cause of App HD is used for iPad now.

Other then that front facing cam. would help the iphone to stay competitive against phones like HTC Evo 4G, which looks hella appealing (hardware side at least). It would also be nice to see a design update, not that the current iPhone will ever look bad (its basically just the screen, not much you can do about that) but the design is starting to look stale.

Firstly; you're right. Apple would never use the moniker of "HD" The most overused, un-Apple name ever.
Second; this is all crap. Unsubstantiated rumors upon rumors.
Everybody wants hits.
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I hope to god for your sakes that Apple finally adds a screen worth a damn. They need to get rid of the atrocious LCD and finally get a decent display like AMOLED or even Super AMOLED.
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There are already phones with forward-facing cameras for video conferencing.

There were also phones with cut and paste. Until Apple perfected it.

If the iPhone is destined to have a front-facing camera for video conferencing, it'll be the most usable, best-looking implementation anyone's ever seen.
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Video-calls are a gimmick.

On the other hand, we've (educational institution) been testing the iPhone with the mobile Adobe Connect Pro app and while it works great for what it's got, it doesn't support two way video conferencing that can be done on a laptop, desktop, etc. If a forward facing camera were added and two way video supported, then the opportunity to do what we now do with our non-mobile devices would be opened up....Live mobile delivery of our courses would then become a much richer experience. Go Apple!
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There were also phones with cut and paste. Until Apple perfected it.

If the iPhone is destined to have a front-facing camera for video conferencing, it'll be the most usable, best-looking implementation anyone's ever seen.

Apple perfected cut and paste? For the iPhone, Apple merely copied the implementation from phones that have long had the feature before. Cut and paste has been around for decades for crying out loud. Apple perfected cut and paste?

You can't be serious.
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A large screen business tablet is more conducive to video conferencing (like the way a laptop is) than a phone is.

It's easier to hold a phone in front of you than a tablet, not that video conferencing is a needed feature on either. I would expect some camera attachments for the iPad for the few that need it though.
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A large screen business tablet is more conducive to video conferencing (like the way a laptop is) than a phone is.

Depends what you look like
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I've been saying for a year that the 4th gen iPhone will be called iPhone HD. 4G in '11
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Adding to an earlier report of Apple's forthcoming next-generation iPhone, Daring Fireball on Monday claimed Apple's new handset will feature a custom A4 processor, 960x640 double-resolution display, and a second front-facing camera.

Oh and it'll come with a Verizon contract - don't forget that standard rumor - it's going to come with Verizon sprinkles and pink unicorns that all sing the praises of Verizon ... and then gallop as fast as possible to short the stock on the day of the rumor.
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Gruber claimed nothing of the sort!

Yeah. First thing I did before even reading the article was go to Gruber's site and he doesn't actually claim anything at all. This kind of "imaginative" loose reporting is exactly how stupid rumours get started.
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