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6) Because of all the previously stated points, regardless of what Steve Jobs says, Apple will have to make an iPhone with CDMA in it at some point. It is not wise to take what a CEO says at face value without looking at the facts. *See the time he stated video on an iPod doesn't make sense only months before the reveal of the iPod 5G with video*

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I'm a huge Apple fanboy...it really bothers me when people talk about Apple as a closed, evil system...

Funny, I was just having this conversation with a die hard Windows fanboy. He argues that the iPad's lack of flash is just the latest entry into Apple's closed limited ecosystem that doesn't let it's users do what they want.

That was my perception before I got my first Mac. From my point of view, Apple's switch to Intel chips and the creation of bootcamp was the ultimate attempt to play nice with the rest of the world. That's what gave me the comfort zone to make the switch. Now that Apple is making their own chips, we'll see how long that lasts.
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So is this simply untrue?
http://gizmodo.com/5374115/flash-101...ayable-hd-vids

I'm a huge Apple fanboy...it really bothers me when people talk about Apple as a closed, evil system... I think of everything Apple has pioneered in desktop publishing and print and how it continues to dominate in sound and video production....This move against Flash to me is just silly though... Let the user decide!!

1) What in that article discounted anything I stated? Flash 10.1 HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED. I clearly stated they are developing it to deal with the issues of Flash Lite on mobiles that Apple made apparent.

2) Did you miss the part that said "Adobe Flash 10.1: Full Flash is coming"? It's now the last day in March 2010 and yet we are to believe that Full version of Flash which has yet to arrive to any shipping Android phone which was a known mobile OS well before Apple announced the iPhone is somehow Apple's fault back in January 2007. Does not compute!

3) This all-or-nothing attitude toward Flash is silly. The only one moving to eradicate Flash's market position is MS with Silverlight (BTW, Flash won'y be on WP7, either). Apple, Google and MS are all working to replace Flash video with the HTML5 video tag. This is much more efficient in every way. Why this usage means that Flash is evil is hyperbolism, at best.

4) Let the user decide? So a company should offer anything and everything regardless of how it affects their business? How about understanding that it's a company's product long before you get your hands on it so it's their choice what to put in their products and what to sell in their stores, not yours. The free market will decide the rest. If you don't like it shop elsewhere for the company that does offer the products you want, if none exist and you feel there is a market for it then make your own to capture that market.


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Functionality has been taken away if you look at it from a certain point of view. Safari on the Mac has it and Safari on the iPhone and iPad does not.

That isn't a rationale PoV, IMO. But it's a good one to bring up as it shows that Apple doesn't have it out for Flash since it includes it with every Mac sale. The fact is Flash Lite is simply pointless for a mobile device which is why Apple didn't include it on the iPhone and why Adbieb eventually had to get off their asses to make a viable version of Flash for mobiles.
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post #44 of 82
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1) Let the user decide? So a company should offer anything and everything regardless of how it affects their business?

Yep. Works for me. In the context of this thread's topic, A Verizon iPhone would have a positive affect on Apple's business.
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1) What in that article discounted anything I stated? Flash 10.1 HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED. I clearly stated they are developing it to deal with the issues of Flash Lite on mobiles that Apple made apparent.

2) Did you miss the part that said "Adobe Flash 10.1: Full Flash is coming"? It's now the last day in March 2010 and yet we are to believe that Full version of Flash which has yet to arrive to any shipping Android phone — which was a known mobile OS well before Apple announced the iPhone — is somehow Apple's fault back in January 2007. Does not compute!

Actually I DID miss this part, my mistake. I guess in 12 months one of us will be saying "I told you so" to the other.

For me I keep coming back to the iPad keynote...Where SB raised the challenge that this new device would have to do things better than a laptop, better than a smartphone. If I'm on my iPad and someone sends me an email, maybe it's a link to some goofy video on MySpace or Hulu, I have to now boot up my Macbook Pro just to watch a video?! That's not better than anything! I'd take a crappy netbook over that! If the A4 is such a revolutionary chip, at least let me browse the web as I would on my Macbook. Again, if I want to enable a bunch of Flash movies and slow my iPad down, maybe crash it...Let me... Not preferring physical books to ebooks I have no reason to buy the iPad otherwise...
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Actually I DID miss this part, my mistake. I guess in 12 months one of us will be saying "I told you so" to the other.

For me I keep coming back to the iPad keynote...Where SB raised the challenge that this new device would have to do things better than a laptop, better than a smartphone. If I'm on my iPad and someone sends me an email, maybe it's a link to some goofy video on MySpace or Hulu, I have to now boot up my Macbook Pro just to watch a video?! That's not better than anything! I'd take a crappy netbook over that! If the A4 is such a revolutionary chip, at least let me browse the web as I would on my Macbook.

I agree that it would be a nice option to have for those so inclined, but I disagree with the sentiment that Apple should be required to include it because some users want it. That isn't how a free market works. What you're asking for is a socialism that forces a company to include it because a certain number or type of users think it's required.

It's not that simple to just add Flash and have it all work out great. Both Apple and Mozilla has stated that Flash is the number one cause of crashes on their browsers. Mozilla has also disabled Flash from Firefox Mobile on Maemo, though I think this is Flash 10.0 without the HW acceleration. Flash 10.1 is bring HW acceleration, but NOT to Mac OS X. Flash is only now, according to some of their programmers blogs, starting to incorporate the APIs that have been available to them since at least the Leopard Betas. Yeah, that long ago!

With all these things being an issue I can't understand why anyone would think that Apple is the reason Flash is a no go when Adobe has shunned the Mac and shunned the mobile platform for so long. If not for Silverlight getting Adobe to update Flash and Apple shining a spotlight on Flash's shortcomings I doubt that Flash 10.1 would be in the position it is now to be released to any mobile platform this summer.

And while I'm sure it will work okay, we still haven't seen what Adobe has done to make the all Flash elements work with a touch-screen, what Flash devs will have to do to make their sites work with mobiles, and how it will affect the performance, power usage and most importantly, the user experience. Flash video is the most prolific use and that will best handled by HTML and JS sometime this year, IMO, regardless of what else happens to Flash.
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If you don't like it shop elsewhere for the company that does offer the products you want, if none exist and you feel there is a market for it then make your own to capture that market.

You obviously missed my point as well. I love Apple. I feel like they have innovated more than any other computer company. I feel a MASSIVE loyalty to them like so many people here. I also think they’ve made some bad decisions throughout their history. As has been said before, much of this feud with Google echoes the desktop wars with Microsoft. This fight I want to see them win. I feel like their the better company and I prefer their philosophy.
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What you're asking for is a socialism that forces a company to include it because a certain number or type of users think it's required.

What?? That's like some kind of strange Tea Party rhetoric...No one here's talking about socialism... we're talking about capitalism.... My fear is that Apple is being too stubborn and that Android will erode their base.
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I love Apple. I feel like they have innovated more than any other computer company. I feel a MASSIVE loyalty to them like so many people here.

I can't say the same. My history with Apple sets a precedence that I trust their product usability, reliability and customer service greatly but they are just a company trying to make money off of me just as i'm just a customer wanting to better my life in some way with their products and just as I'm a stockholder trying to make buttloads of money off them, butt I'll drop them in a heartbeat if I think they have reached their apex.
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What?? That's like some kind of strange Tea Party rhetoric...No one here's talking about socialism... we're talking about capitalism.... My fear is that Apple is being too stubborn and that Android will erode their base.

You stated that the users should decide what a company includes in their product, taking away the right for the company to best decide how to market their product.
soc•iai•sm |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
. If Apple doesn't include Flash and Adobe can make Flash viable for mobiles that it makes Android and other more enticing then Apple will have to rethink their stance. That is a beautiful thing! I don't think it will work out that way, but I wouldn't mind if it did, just as I won't move to Verizon but I'd love for them to get the iPhone.
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You stated that the users should decide what a company includes in their product, taking away the right for the company to best decide how to market their product.
sociaism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
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I can't tell if you're just baiting me or not. Are you serious? If there is a great demand from users for a feature that a competitor offers, there is a risk that the company will loose users/customers to the competitor. Does that make sense? Not sure how that's socialism.

Congrats on using a dictionary!
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this made me smile

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"We would not be surprised if volumes drop dramatically as customers flock to a real iPhone as opposed to a mediocre imitation," Wu wrote. "In our view, web surfing, multimedia, apps and multi-touch remain very strong AAPL hallmarks."

Nexus One = mediocre imitation

absolutely agree
post #53 of 82
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If there is a great demand from users for a feature that a competitor offers, there is a risk that the company will loose users/customers to the competitor. Does that make sense? Not sure how that's socialism.

You clearly stated, "Let the user decide!!" thereby implying that the company gets no voice and must follow the community's wishes. That is socialism as i clearly showed in the definition. In Capitalism the company chooses which features to add. Usually ones that consumers are asking for, sometimes they offer it before they even know they want it, but the company makes the decision, NOT the users These are the fundamental differences.

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Congrats on using a dictionary!

Thanks, but I think my use of the markup to make it more appealing to the eye is more impressive than my ability to copy/paste.
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You stated that the users should decide what a company includes in their product, taking away the right for the company to best decide how to market their product.
sociaism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
. If Apple doesn't include Flash and Adobe can make Flash viable for mobiles that it makes Android and other more enticing then Apple will have to rethink their stance. That is a beautiful thing! I don't think it will work out that way, but I wouldn't mind if it did, just as I won't move to Verizon but I'd love for them to get the iPhone.

I read "let the users decide" as meaning that the product would be better if users could optionally run flash on their phone or not. It would be their decision to run it or not. That may or may not have been what the poster meant. Either way, it was just one person offering their opinion on how the iPhone could be a better product.

Throwing a controversial political analogy into this discussion won't help make any point regarding the iPhone. All that will happen is that we'll get side tracked on that political topic.
post #55 of 82
Can someone please explain how Verizon still insists upon controlling the customer experience? I know they used to be painfully awful in this regard, but am I missing something with what they're doing in regards to controlling the customer experience with say the Droid?
post #56 of 82
Well.... Clearly you ARE just bored and looking for an argument.

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Thanks, but I think my use of the markup to make it more appealing to the eye is more impressive than my ability to copy/paste.

Can I guess? Bored, unemployed graphic designer? If the base of my argument is that Apple needs to maintain a competative edge to succeed, then of course I'm talking about capitalism... If I were arguing for socialism, then Apple wouldn't have to innovate anything... they could focus on contributing to web forums... on "making mark up more appealing". Good luck on the rest of your day.
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I read "let the users decide" as meaning that the product would be better if users could optionally run flash on their phone or not. It would be their decision to run it or not. That may or may not have been what the poster meant. Either way, it was just one person offering their opinion on how the iPhone could be a better product.

Throwing a controversial political analogy into this discussion won't help make any point regarding the iPhone. All that will happen is that we'll get side tracked on that political topic.

1) I'm sure that is what he meant, but the only to get to that "option" state is to force Apple to supply Flash or open up the iPhone against their will. That is not a free market methodology.

2) Clearly I'm focusing on the economic side of things, not politics. BTW, I dislike socialism having such a negative connotation to it. No one system is perfect and socialism isn't evil, in fact it's quite idealistic, which is a large part of my mentioning it.
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I read "let the users decide" as meaning that the product would be better if users could optionally run flash on their phone or not. It would be their decision to run it or not. That may or may not have been what the poster meant. Either way, it was just one person offering their opinion on how the iPhone could be a better product.

Throwing a controversial political analogy into this discussion won't help make any point regarding the iPhone. All that will happen is that we'll get side tracked on that political topic.

Of course that's what I meant.....Thank you Dfiler!
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You obviously missed my point as well. I love Apple. I feel like they have innovated more than any other computer company. I feel a MASSIVE loyalty to them like so many people here.

I've been visiting this site for over a year now and in my opinion most people here are not Apple fans. They are stockholders looking for inside information so they can manipulate the stock. Perhaps that's why every thread disintegrates into a slug fest. As this one has.

By the way, if you are a Tea Party member, you will need a flash enabled device to visit Glenn Beck's site!
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When the first iMac came out, it abandoned the floppy drive which I'm sure freaked a lot of people out. But it did come with a CD drive so you could copy files and back up your work.

The iMac came out in 1998 without a floppy drive and without a writable CD drive. It wasn't until 2001 that they shipped with writable optical drives.

Worse, it didn't initially include FireWire, and USB was only 1.1. This meant that while there were a few external USB 1.1 CD drives available, they were painfully slow and very unreliable.

You could buy an external USB 1.1 floppy drive, and it worked quite well...as far as floppy drives went. For the most part, people were buying ZIP drives, and Apple even shipped PowerMac G3s with ZIP drives as an option for a while. In fact, the first writable removable media drives that Apple shipped after dropping the floppy was the ZIP drive, not CD-R/RW.

Don't get me wrong, I was happy to see the floppy die. I bought a PowerMac G3 B&W when it first came out and decided that I would buy an external floppy drive the first time it every came up to have any use for one whatsoever. I never did.

Apple correctly saw that email was the replacement for the floppy, and that a larger capacity format that was writable and removable had not yet evolved in price/performance/reliability, but would be soon enough.
post #61 of 82
I say Apple just comes out with a phone, that they can offer to all or any carries that choose to grow their business and get on board the mother ship. Not just 1 or 2 carriers - ALL of them.

Once they open the door to another carrier, they should do so, with all of them. If they did this, then they could worry about something other then market share, or folks complaining they wish they could get an iPhone from

Just do it, and get on with things!

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I've been visiting this site for over a year now and in my opinion most people here are not Apple fans. They are stockholders looking for inside information so they can manipulate the stock. Perhaps that's why every thread disintegrates into a slug fest. As this one has.

By the way, if you are a Tea Party member, you will need a flash enabled device to visit Glenn Beck's site!

For the record, I am very much NOT a memeber of the Tea Party...scary stuff!
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I've long been skeptical about Apple offering a Verizon CDMA phone in the twilight of that technology. As time continues to run out on it, the option becomes less and less attractive as a business case.

Hold on a sec here. I've been reading about CDMA, GSM and "flavors" of 3G and 4G for years and a few things don't seem right. Or at least I don't have them straight.

I'm told one can discriminate wireless technologies as follows, without reference to the internals of each: 2G - a circuit-switched digital network. 3G - a network that's a mix of circuit and packet switching, for (I think) respectively voice and data. 4G - a network that's fully packet switched, finally leaving behind the telco heritage of circuit switching which goes all the way back to the earliest analog, party-line networks.

I'll certainly accept correction on the above, but if I'm in the ballpark, this leads to some other questions which need sorting out to make sense of where the iPhone (and telephony in general) is heading.

First, the current iPhone defaults to using a 3G signal whenever it's available, correct? And only steps down to 2G (GSM or "Edge") when it has to. And presumably later iPhones will prefer a 4G signal when 4G's rolled out. So as networks get built out with 3& 4G, the 2G signals become less and less relevant, no? At least to "smart phones." Or does the CDMA/GSM signal still have a core (or any) function in terms of the functioning of the higher G's? E.g., does the iPhone use 2G for voice and 3G for data?

If the 3 and 4G signals become as ubiquitous as 2G, and if they propagate at least as well as 2G signals, won't we see smart phones that don't have 2G built in at all (to save space and power)? And given the cost of deploying and broadcasting cell signals, won't all phones eventually be at least 3G so that the expense of broadcasting multiple signals (soon 3) withers away to at least only two over time?

Note: We've all seen plenty of Verizon vs. ATT 3G maps, but is there much more saturation of 2G than 3G in Verizon's own coverage today (and ATT's for that matter)? And for the forseeable future?

Second, as is often pointed out, not all 3G and certainly not all 4G signals are going to be the same (witness Sprint WiMax "4G" vs LTE vs ??? - ATT's "3.5 G" which will increase data speeds with tech that today's iPhones can use - and the wars over whose network can do more at once on 3G).

Yet we're told Apple makes one iPhone model for the world. Does that mean that every other country's Apple-licensed phone companies use GSM and 3G technology and frequency spectrum identical to AT&T's? And that only in America is there a crazy quilt of incompatible signals and frequencies at the 2, 3 and 4G levels?

Questions. I have questions. But the answers seem relevant to making this whole discussion intelligible.

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E.g., does the iPhone use 2G for voice and 3G for data?

The iPhone 3G and 3GS uses GSM for voice, 3G for data. Data will slip to 2G/EDGE for data when the 3G signal isn't available.
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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post

If this happens it would not be a "jump to Verizon." A jump is when you leave one place and land on another instead. Apple isn't going to discontinue offering iPhones through AT&T.

I've long been skeptical about Apple offering a Verizon CDMA phone in the twilight of that technology. As time continues to run out on it, the option becomes less and less attractive as a business case. However mounting a counter-attack against Android may affect that calculation.

BTW, simply as one data point, put me down as someone who has experienced both very good coverage and excellent customer service from AT&T. But then I don't live in NYC or SFO.

CDMA is not a twilight technology. Furthermore, if CDMA is twilight, then what is GSM? The FUTURE?
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

Why add a smaller, probably less capable network to the mix. Although unpopular, I hate the idea of Apple developing and building more than one iPhone for the same version product - it ultimately takes away effort from making the product better when the effort is split.

Before anyone hollers it is nontrivial to do a phone - just cause Apple has one does not mean that you can 'just change the radio'. That is why it takes Engineers and a long approval process.

BTW: I have never had any problems with signal, dropped calls etc. and happen to think AT&T's coverage here and in the other portions of the country I have lived in has been good.

Making two versions of a phone does not equal fracturing their device lineup. Everything about the phone except for the GSM/CDMA chips would be the same. What - you think Apple would have a different OS for the CDMA iPhone?
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I'm on my 3rd iPhone. The first two I had the coverage was extremely bad in San Francisco. And even worse in my specific area of San Francisco. And so I had switched back to the Blackberry. But about 4 months ago a friend swore up and own that the situation is largely resolved in San Fran. I bought another iPhone and I can easily tell you it's been totally fine here. Dropped calls almost don't exist in my area. Once a month or longer between a single dropped call where as I used to get 3 or 4 in a single conversation. I also own a VZ MiFi, which only did about 800k up and down. My Blackberry on VZ, same location did 1.7mb down and 80k up. Strange huh? Well, the iPhone blows those numbers away on AT&T in the same area now.

I'm sure not every place is as resolved as my area, but from my own point of view, AT&T has not only fixed any issues I had, they are doing better than VZ by far. I have no intension of switching to VZ as I honestly feel that would be a step backwards.

Good luck enjoying that LTE on AT&T!
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Even if this is true...I really wonder if Verizon's network could handle the bandwidth needed for the iPhone. While they do have a large range of 3G coverage, the speed is really lacking. It would take a big investment on Verizon's part to get a handle all the data that regular iPhone users expect. Then, of course, their is the issue with the other phone manufacturers that Verizon has in their arsenal. Wonder how that would feel about that. This will be interesting to watch.

Don't you know that a new revision of CDMA is already up and running in Asia??? Faster speeds on VZ 3G will come, but LTE will come just as quickly.

Good luck to all AT&T fans on that LTE network - opening in 2014?
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So sick of Verizon iPhone "news".

CDMA is dead. The sooner those networks realise it, deal with the cost and reconfigure their network the better.

I've seen it done in 12-18 months alongside a high quality CDMA network and the changeover was seamless. Now thankfully no more awful CDMA products come and split the market even further, infuriating customers and killing everyone on differences and higher prices as a result.

Oh yeah - CDMA is dead - and GSM is very much alive. What an imbecile comment.
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Piss on AT&T. Tethering is something that should have been on the phone from day 1 and it's now going into year 4. I'm jumping ship on the iphone and AT&T for sprint and the supersonic as soon as it hits since neither AT&T nor apple can provide the functionality I've been looking for over the last 3 years. Mediocre my ass.

Thankfully - you're not another AT&T ass-licker. Good 4u. I'm waiting for Droid2 - sick of waiting for the vz iPhone. Can't wait to unload my Storm.
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Here we go again--same lame excuses: dead technology, too complicated, Apple doesn't care about market share, verizon's control...blah blah.

Money talks people. And market share definitely matters, if you don't believe it matters to Apple, there's a bridge up for sale in you know where.

CDMA is a dying technology, but one that is dying very slowly. By the time it is completely dead we're probably talking towards the end of this decade--no VZ iPhone till then? Ha. As for it's just too damn hard to make a CDMA iPhone...yeah I suppose every single other manufacturer manages it, but I guess Apple is the lazy kid in the class then? Right. As for control? Verizon just allowed the most open platform in the business on their network with no problems--they do not cripple their android headsets nor their blackberries or other smartphones. Why would they cripple an iPhone?

This has never been about CDMA and has been about the exclusivity contract--you see it hasn't gone to the other GSM carrier in the US for 3 years either. They will tap the CDMA market because they want to make a lot of money, and as long as CDMA is around, and it will be years and years in some form or another, they cannot ignore it. They can't ignore Android either--Google isn't sitting with one provider in the US, they are expanding and if you think Apple doesn't care about the growth of Android, again there's that bridge up for sale you can look into.

It's all about business.

First of all, if CDMA is dying, so is freaking GSM. Second of all - the reception on a CDMA iPhone will MUCH BETTER due to known superiority of CDMA when it comes to coverage. Everyone in the wireless world knows that. Just b/c GSM got adopted more widely b/c of earlier introduction doesn't mean GSM is superior. It's like the old VHS debate.
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Originally Posted by swinge View Post

I agree. Though it's unpopular to say, I think the same can be said about Flash (I can already hear the Droid 2.0 ads, about all the "Do's" that Apple doesn't allow). For the iPad AND the iPhone I'd really like to see a ClickToFlash option. Anyone notice the timing of all this? In Boston I'm getting flooded with ads for the AT&T Backflip... I wonder if AT&T broke some agreement they had between Apple...Never seemed like there were any real Android phones on AT&T until this one... and sudenly there's all this talk of opening the iPhone to Verizon. Android is playing for keeps... Apple needs to take the fight to Verizon.

EDIT: To all those Verizon haters out there, you need to get over it... Google is the REAL threat... Everytime Apple has gotten hung up on old fueds it's hurt them....Look at their history with Microsoft... In interviews, Steve talked about his return to the company...That one of his biggest challenges was changing the attitude within the company that Microsoft had to die for Apple to win... Instead they opened up new partnerships, Steve completely changed the course of the company and the rest is history

Not all people on this forum are cretins!
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As a rule of thumb, sure, but I'd bet that news would be pretty beneficial to the stock value.

thats what they say every time
post #74 of 82
Not gonna happen until LTE. There is no way Apple will agree to having an iPhone that can do data and voice at the same time. That would make Apple look like fools.
post #75 of 82
My contract is up in July, and I'm done, finished, and through with my iPhone. If they go to Verizon I am still done, because I refuse to deal with an outfit that nickels you for this, dimes and dollars you for that, and can never send a consistent bill.

With AT&T I get about 30% dropped calls. About one call in five I try to initiate gives me dead air. No ring sound, no clicks, no anything. Other times I make a call and the damned thing (or network) places the call I want AND a call to another number at the same time. I've been through two replacement phones, three new SIM cards. Nothing helps.

And in too many places I have been, I see folks around me on Verizon, Sprint, t-Mobile, and throways gabbing away when I can't even get a line. I do not consider Los Angeles International Airport a place where service should be marginal or spotty.

I like the features on the iPhone, but if I can't buy it to run on a decent SP, or from an SP that is honest, then I want no part of it no matter what features they may offer.
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post #76 of 82
No you don't, I just went there on my iPhone, see:-

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post #77 of 82
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

The iPhone 3G and 3GS uses GSM for voice, 3G for data. Data will slip to 2G/EDGE for data when the 3G signal isn't available.

I think you will find that the iPhone 3G and 3GS also use 3G for voice, otherwise people would have trouble using them on 3G only networks.
post #78 of 82
Here's what I posted in an other forum topic:

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LTE is not yet the answer because Verizon users will still require something to fall back on should LTE be unavailable in a certain area, forcing the handset maker to include EVDO/CDMA2000 capability, thus still requiring the addition of a separate chip and associated hardware.

Bell Canada and Telus deployed their HSPA+ (21,6Mbps) last November. Their HSPA+ network is working alongside their CDMA/EVDO network. And since November, both carry the iPhone 3GS and other GSM-based handsets, and yes those phones do come with a SIM card, and no Apple did not make a separate phone for Bell Canada, and Telus. It's the same iPhone that Rogers Canada has been selling since 2008.

The phones that use the HSPA+ network of Bell and Telus have indeed nothing to fall back on, but as you can see, it is not required for a phone to be able to fall back on CDMA/EVDO, like you said. You have your proof right there. It certainly did not stop Bell and Telus from offering the iPhone and other GSM/HSPA/HSPA+ phones to their customers.

Additionally, the HSPA+ network that Bell and Telus rolled out last November will be their upgrade path to LTE. Verizon wanted to skip this step and go directly from CDMA to LTE. It is their choice, but had they chosen to go HSPA+ before going LTE, they would have been carrying the iPhone for a while now. It's been 3 years now, they could have deployed HSPA+ already. It took Bell and Telus something like 1.5 years to roll it out from the arrival of the iPhone exclusively to Rogers in summer 2008.

[Edit] UMTS/HSPA offer simultaneous voice and data services, just so that everyone knows.

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post #79 of 82
While I personally think it makes sense to have more than one cell phone provider for the iPhone in the US, I just don't see it happening any time soon. I don't care what these supposed "experts" say. Until Apple comes right out and announces it, I'm not going to believe it. Do you have any idea how much control Apple has with AT&T? They bent over backwards for Apple. Technical arguments aside, Verizon is not about to cater so willingly to Apple's request. I think this, more than anything else, is why we won't see a Verizon iPhone.

Having said that, if Apple decided to go with an additional provider, it would be much more likely for a T-Mobile iPhone than a Verizon iPhone. T-Mobile would cater to Apple. Plus, as the article points out, it's much easier to make an iPhone version for T-Mobile's network than Verizon.

Just my $.02
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Why Verizon? There's T-Mobile and Sprint. Apple could go for them instead.

verizon has a great network
sadly its ego is the same as apples
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