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post #121 of 187
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Originally Posted by Hudson1 View Post

Your comments would be relevant if you actually have an iPad on which to base your opinions. Do you have one or are you just speculating what you think you'll find once you do?

Do we need to use an iPad to comment on it? Anyone who has ever used an iPod Touch has used an iPad, since it's just an oversized iPod Touch that runs a crippled phone OS. Apple's hoodwinked everyone (including the media) into believing this is some "magical" device. The only thing magical here is Apple's ability to blind a select segment of the market every time.
post #122 of 187
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

[...]But in the comments section, man, it was a bloodbath. Everything from "it won't even replace my $1,500 laptop" to "if I can't take the battery out myself it is dead to me" to "it has no keyboard/USB port/Flash = Fail!!!"[...]

I'm amazed at how people get so worked up over nothing.

Laptop replacement? I have three high-end 17" MacBook Prod, a Mac Mini, a 15" PowerBook G4 and assorted Windows desktop machines and servers. I can tell you that I can barely contain my excitement over the iPad. I think the iPad will successfully replace my monstrous laptops for perhaps 50% of the work I do. But that's not the point. This device is meant to fill a void, and it will do just that phenomenally well.

Removable battery? I've had three iPhones plus about a dozen Mac laptops over the years. Do you know how many batteries I've gone through? One. And that was because I dropped it on the floor while taking it out of the machine. I beat the heck out of my 17 MBP, phone and iPod batteries and not one of them shows any diminished capacity. I went through four batteries in my last Dell laptop, all $130 each. Never again. I'll happily spend 10 minutes shopping for cool tech gear at the Apple store while they replace my battery, in the unlikely event I'll ever need to. And about being able to swap in fresh batteries... that's a valid claim, but I almost never have the need because when I'm near power I plug in. I don't think I've ever had to use my laptop for more than 7 hours at a stretch, and my MBP handled that with style and grace. Besides, I love the structural integrity of Apple devices BECAUSE they don't have rickety battery doors.

Keyboard/USB/Flash? There is a keyboard coming. Plus I believe you can use any Bluetooth keyboard, negating much of the need for USB. And as sad as I am to see Flash not supported, it really does suck on the Mac platform. It needs to be threatened with alternatives if Adobe's finally going to get off their butts and fix it. Plus, I love standards like HTML 5.

I know these weren't your complaints, just felt compelled to comment. :-)
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post #124 of 187
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Originally Posted by svnipp View Post

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Now, my biggest complaint is not having an integrated USB and/or SD card slot. Let's face it, the storage capacity on the iPad is limited, and that is fine in and of itself. The problem is for instance watching movies on a 16GB iPad. Let's say you are taking a trip (the wife and I are going on a cruise to the Bahamas in May) and you want to take along the iPad to watch movies on the plane ride. You are potentially talking about soaking up half or more of your storage just to keep a handful of movies on there. If I could pop in a 16GB SD card or USB Flash drive, I could take along these same movies without any concern over space or I could take along 2 or 3 times as many movies no sweat. This is something I'm hoping to see resolved in version 2.

Sadly I think this issue will lead to many disappointed iPad users. 16GB is barely enough to install a few good apps on. Most likely you will see a lot of these 16GB machines for sale next year when people realize they are so limited as to be useless.

Well useless in the sense that people will want to install a few apps on the device and keep some media files there. Not to mention is the desire to put games there. I can see people easily going through several GB just for app installations.

The lack of an SD slot is an even bigger issue after adoption on the portables. As a method of holding bulk media files for execution on devices like iPad should be obvious. Even more so I hear rumors of movies actually being distributed on SD cards in the far east. It just seems like an obvious solution to managing large file libraries. I guess Apple is to obsessed with keeping everything in the ecosystem. It is also why I could see myself being attracted to alternative platforms running Linux.

It is not an issue of cramming more storage into the device, but rather having transitory ability to play media files you don't want installed on your machine. I acknowledge that Apple screwed up by including to little Flash in the iPads. However with video coming in multi GB files it really doesn't matter how much flash is installed as you will always risk running out. An SD port would mean this would never happen.
post #125 of 187
The iPad is going to do what Jobs said it would do. And that will be plenty for many, many people. I will wait on version 2 to see what else it might do. It may end up replacing one of my laptops at some point. Buy it, don't buy it. Plenty will. And even though it's not perfect and doesn't do everything under the sun, it will sell a boatload or two. And my AAPL will go up. Once again Apple has changed the entire game.
post #126 of 187
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

Sadly I think this issue will lead to many disappointed iPad users. 16GB is barely enough to install a few good apps on. Most likely you will see a lot of these 16GB machines for sale next year when people realize they are so limited as to be useless.

Well useless in the sense that people will want to install a few apps on the device and keep some media files there. Not to mention is the desire to put games there. I can see people easily going through several GB just for app installations.

The lack of an SD slot is an even bigger issue after adoption on the portables. As a method of holding bulk media files for execution on devices like iPad should be obvious. Even more so I hear rumors of movies actually being distributed on SD cards in the far east. It just seems like an obvious solution to managing large file libraries. I guess Apple is to obsessed with keeping everything in the ecosystem. It is also why I could see myself being attracted to alternative platforms running Linux.

It is not an issue of cramming more storage into the device, but rather having transitory ability to play media files you don't want installed on your machine. I acknowledge that Apple screwed up by including to little Flash in the iPads. However with video coming in multi GB files it really doesn't matter how much flash is installed as you will always risk running out. An SD port would mean this would never happen.

Port replicator, similar to a usb port replicator. It will happen. It will probably mold in to the bottom of the iPad in order to seem seamless. It will probably also ahve firewire support as well, and be portable.

A slim port replicator that plugs into the bottom of the iPad. I'm surprised it hasn't been announced by Belkin yet......
post #127 of 187
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

There are some angry techies out there, and if this device succeeds (where other attempts at a tablet have clearly not) I'm afraid some might actually explode.

I think it's hilarious to watch the reactions from the technirati (or those who think they are). The general purpose PC is the new Priesthood of the Glass House. Everything old is new again

What was that snap? The sound of heads turning as another paradigm shifted to quickly for them

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Funny thing is, they were (mostly) all valid complaints if you expect the iPad to be what it is not. Few seemed to be willing to look at it as a new type of device and judge it on its merits. I am extremely curious to see what the general population thinks when this hits the street!

My 73 year old not-interested-in-technology-in-the-slightest father has one pre-ordered and will be there on Saturday to pick it up. If that's not a sign of the apocalypse, I'm not sure what is!
post #128 of 187
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Do we need to use an iPad to comment on it? Anyone who has ever used an iPod Touch has used an iPad, since it's just an oversized iPod Touch that runs a crippled phone OS. Apple's hoodwinked everyone (including the media) into believing this is some "magical" device. The only thing magical here is Apple's ability to blind a select segment of the market every time.

You so funny

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post #129 of 187
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

I think the machine is a good idea but the implementation and lack of info is wanting. Being a very rev one device I'm not rushing out to buy. As to that lack of info I'm amazed that so many have taken the plunge without finding out how much memory is in the thing.

it's not a rev one device. It's based on the iPhone OS and concepts which are over three years old now and mature. If you have the least bit of imagination, more than enough was presented in the launch keynote and all the video's from the review session after the keynote to lay out the value proposition.

The video's and reviews just confirm that pre-ordering was a no brainer! I'm watching Andy Inakto's video with Alex Lindsay on twit.tv and it's all I expected and more. I anticipate using it even more than my iPhone and that's going to be a feat!

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I just don't do that with computers, mainly because it directly impacts what you can do with a Computer.

It's not a computer. For me, it's more. I'm not getting rid of my desktop or laptop any time soon, mind you (well, maybe my laptop - I doubt I will use it much post-iPad) - but this device will be with me and used by me far more than a traditional computer or laptop could ever hope to be. The speed, form factor, portability, accessibility and intimacy in operation are going to totally change the way we look at portable devices.

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Hopefully the flood gates will open and info will flow freely.

After Saturday, saunter into your closest Apple store (or some BestBuy's) and play with it yourself.

If you can get anywhere near the demo model....
post #130 of 187
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

I believe the future of computing is just this: abandoning the "container" of the "computing experience" and letting the technology work invisibly to create the illusion of a perfectly adaptable, endlessly changeable blank slate.

Excellent observation and one I whole heartedly agree with! If you read the real rage in many of the techies objections for the iPad, it's that it totally erases the "tech" from the experience. That's a welcome change for me - when I want to geek out I'll reach for my MacBook Pro or Mac Pro - but when I just wan to do something I'm looking forward to the iPad.
post #131 of 187
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

I fail to see the logic in how that is "trading down".....

depends on what is more important to you - the articles or the forums? I find the forums here (despite the persistent cadre of trolls) to be of higher value.
post #132 of 187
I have never liked them. I have always felt they are nothing but portable computers.

I love my iMac, but the one I have is about to go to my mother. That puts me in the position of having to decide what I am replacing it with.

That having been said, I know the iPad is not a laptop replacement.....yet.

It obviously must go through the same evolution other computers did, wherein it will need more memory, better processing power without sacrificing battery life, performance, or size and weight, and the abililty to be a well rounded suppliment to a TRUE desktop, such as the iMac (Most users will never need a pro system and I will not be buying a Mac Mini until it replaces DVI with HDMI, and even then it wouldn't replaced an iMac with a true graphics card such as mine.)

I see programmers rethinking how they compile thier programs and it's capabilities. Some of my friends are DJ's and they have drawn me in to their realm. I forsee that companies such as Native Instruments and Ableton will take advantage of the multi tasking, re-write thier programs, and cater to the fact the iPad is more portable.

This, of course must be supplimented by a port replicator and the ablity to read external storage, but I see this as being an inevitability.
post #133 of 187
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

depends on what is more important to you - the articles or the forums? I find the forums here (despite the persistent cadre of trolls) to be of higher value.

The articles. I thought, in the past, it may be good to obtain insight from the forums, to acertain if I was narrow minded in my assumptions or to obtain new knowlege (such as click to flash) but it seems to be overwhelmed by constant brow beating from the same offenders repeatedly.

I came to AI in order to escape that, but apparently there is no escape.

This is why people "troll" forums and never comment.
post #134 of 187
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Originally Posted by mcarling View Post

The removal of Flash support from Safari is not an "omission." It is a bug fix.



I need to save that one for later...
post #135 of 187
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

I'm reluctant to go out and buy a machine that the manufacture is ashammed of. Basically that position is the result of the lack of info on RAM installed and info on A4.

Wow - talk about missing the point...

They don't talk about it because those technical details are not relevant to the experience of the device. AT ALL.

Was that clear enough? If you want to geek out with your devices, this device is not for you - and that's OK. It doesn't have to be all things to all people, and I'm glad it's not.

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Of course that is the rational side of me speaking.

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The flip side sees a lot of draw in a platform that breaks the mold.

There's your rational side! That other side of you is the emotional side that is distrustful because the iPad, based on specs alone, doesn't fit into your expectations.

Just go hold one - I have a feeling you will get it rather quickly, and you won't care a whit about the RAM, CPU or any other such stuff


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Let's just hope that iPad actually meets with his expectations. The problem of course is that commercials make the device look very appealing. In practice I'm not convinced it will actually meet every purchasers needs. The number one issue being the on screen keyboards. People have this idea that they will be able to pound away on them just like a standard keyboard - not likely.

Why not? I had one of those projection/infra-red portable keyboards that were the absolute rage a while back and while not as fast as a tactile keyboard, it was pretty passable. The touch screen on the iPad will be far more responsive. With the larger size, I don't think it will be nearly as bad as people set to hate on the iPad are intimating.

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In any event I still see iPad as killing the laptop market.

Well that's a relief, because it's not intended to. I do see the iPad and devices like it blowing past laptops in total sales. Those are two different things. It's not a zero sum game. A sale of an iPad doesn't translate into a lost sale for a laptop and vice versa.

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I know it's change how I've been looking at future purchases. The combo of a big screen iMac or other desktop combined with a future rev iPad could eliminate my laptop needs. It is all about what iPhone OS 4.0 does for us.

bingo. It will be interesting to see how much or little I use my MacBook Pro after I get my iPad. I see only two or three use cases that are pretty infrequent for me now - I wish I would have bought my MacPro first and held off on the MBP. Oh well, at least I have the model with the Express Card slot - I'm not getting rid of it now any time soon (all my SLR's use compact flash - SD is useless to me and I'm annoyed they replaced express card on their PRO laptop with SD)
post #136 of 187
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Originally Posted by ranger_one View Post

IAnd about being able to swap in fresh batteries... that's a valid claim, but I almost never have the need because when I'm near power I plug in. I don't think I've ever had to use my laptop for more than 7 hours at a stretch,

Multiple reports of video over 8 hours, with Andy Ihnakto indicating he got over 10 so a day's use seems to be easily obtainable.

As for extra batter life, if you were on a long trip (flight, train ride, etc.) where you need extra battery life, it's too bad that Sanyo apparently discontinued their Mobile USB booster:

http://www.eneloop.info/products/mob...-versions.html

I have the one in the middle, got it for about $25 at Costco with a coupon and now kick myself for not getting a couple of them - it charges my iPhone 2 and a half times and beats the crap out of one of the iPhone specific chargers I have that shall remain un-named. And it was 1/3 the price

I think many people overlook that the iPad has that dock connector, so most of what people have (where there isn't a physical issue - i.e. a dock) will work with this thing too. A true ecosystem...
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Multiple reports of video over 8 hours, with Andy Ihnakto indicating he got over 10 so a day's use seems to be easily obtainable.

David Pogie played over 12 hours of video. it would be nice to know the codecs, bitrate and resolutions of the video, as well as the brightness and other enabled features as it surely makes a difference.
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post #138 of 187
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

All positive reviews will be evidence of being in the tank for Apple. All negative reviews will be a refreshing example of "refusing to drink the Koolaid." Robust early sales will be because fanboys will buy anything Apple makes. Delighted reports of early adopters will be evidence of the stupidity of Apple's customers. Reports from people who "played with one at Best Buy and thought it sucked" will be proof of epic fail.

Being an Apple basher means you never, ever have to acknowledge success.

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Man, have you got these people pegged or what. Your description of them is laser sharp.
post #139 of 187
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

The articles.

I dunno, there are so many places that re-hash the same scant information in the Apple universe, articles are basically a commodity. When I really want to turn into a good fan boy, the forums are where it's at

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I thought, in the past, it may be good to obtain insight from the forums, to acertain if I was narrow minded in my assumptions or to obtain new knowlege (such as click to flash) but it seems to be overwhelmed by constant brow beating from the same offenders repeatedly.

Ignore lists. They aren't perfect, and even with them I still jump in when I know I should just move on, but they really do help separate the wheat from the chaff. There are enough people that make good, intelligent points and are a pleasure to read and/or engage that it offsets the noise from the usual suspects.

The only improvement I would like to see is the ability to ignore posts from people not on your ignore list that quote people on your ignore list. Or perhaps if they quote more than three lines of someone on your ignore list

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I came to AI in order to escape that, but apparently there is no escape.

You can't outwit or outlaw stupid. It's too smart for that All you can do is increase your tolerance to it and learn how to ignore it. We all have the power within us - it's just a matter of exercising the discipline to do so.

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This is why people "troll" forums and never comment.

If you are talking about lurkers, there are a majority of people who will never comment - it's just not their thing. And that's OK. If everyone posted these threads would totally be out of control, not just mostly out of control

Really it's not that big of a deal as long as there is some content of value. The mods finally seem to be beating down those who truly deserve it, and it is very welcome. I expect that some of the moderate trolls will be allowed to remain because they do cause churn and page views - and that is how sites like this remain in existence. Complaining about the trolls helps the sites bottom line the same as an intelligent and thoughtful post that makes some good points or adds to the discussion.
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David Pogue states twice " The Apple iPad is basically a gigantic iPod Touch" and that is considered favorable?? Seems pretty neutral If not negative to say the least. How did AI come up to that conclusion??
post #141 of 187
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

Well that's a relief, because it's not intended to. I do see the iPad and devices like it blowing past laptops in total sales. Those are two different things. It's not a zero sum game. A sale of an iPad doesn't translate into a lost sale for a laptop and vice versa.

No, it's not really a zero sum game, but I expect it will negatively impact laptop sales, but at the same time it will likely positively impact desktop sales; freeing many people from the tyranny of the laptop, so to speak.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

David Pogie played over 12 hours of video. it would be nice to know the codecs, bitrate and resolutions of the video, as well as the brightness and other enabled features as it surely makes a difference.

Ask and you shall receive. Usually Pogue responds to my emails within a few minutes so i wondered what was taking so long. Now I know, he was compiling a Q&A: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/te...gue-email.html
Q: 12 hours of video playback? Really?

A: The dirty little secret is that because there's no hard drive, video playback doesn't use any more battery power than any other activity. So yes, I got 12 hours in my tests, but it wouldn't matter if I had been playing video, reading e-mail or playing with apps.

I conducted the test with Wi-Fi turned on and with the screen brightness-which is pretty much the sole determinant of the iPad's battery life-at the factory setting. Turns out that's 50 percent, but believe me-that's still very bright. (At full brightness, this thing could illuminate a runway.)

This one I love...
Q: Am I really supposed to buy this thing when I already have a laptop and an iPhone?

A: It always surprises me how many people are made indignant by the very thought of the iPad, as though Congress passed a law that requires you to buy one!
You're not, as it turns out. Buying one is totally optional.
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post #143 of 187
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Originally Posted by iLoki View Post

David Pogue states twice " The Apple iPad is basically a gigantic iPod Touch" and that is considered favorable?? Seems pretty neutral If not negative to say the least. How did AI come up to that conclusion??

They came to that conclusion by reading and comprehending the article, but you aren't the only oen who read the first section then stopped.
Q: I don't get it from your column. Should I get the iPad or not?

A: Well, I thought I made it clear that it depends on your mindset. It's a brilliant machine, a category-creator, a joy to use. I think it will be a big hit. The apps coming out for it represent some of the most exciting software ideas in a long time.

If you need a laptop, though, get a laptop.
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post #144 of 187
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

This one I love...
Q: Am I really supposed to buy this thing when I already have a laptop and an iPhone?

A: It always surprises me how many people are made indignant by the very thought of the iPad, as though Congress passed a law that requires you to buy one!
You're not, as it turns out. Buying one is totally optional.

Me too, classic Pogue! Thanks for the heads up.

I wasn't going to go down to the store right away on Saturday - I think I will as time goes on and the reviews come in. Grrr!!!

Edit: too bad you didn't quote this too - I think this is the main point about the "anger" over the iPad:

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That said, the question is a little odd, because the iPad really is very different from a laptop or an iPhone. I guess people have a lot of trouble with the idea that it's a new category, something unlike anything they've used before. All people can do is compare it in their heads with stuff they HAVE used before.
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They came to that conclusion by reading and comprehending the article, but you aren't the only oen who read the first section then stopped.
Q: I don't get it from your column. Should I get the iPad or not?

A: Well, I thought I made it clear that it depends on your mindset. It's a brilliant machine, a category-creator, a joy to use. I think it will be a big hit. The apps coming out for it represent some of the most exciting software ideas in a long time.

If you need a laptop, though, get a laptop.

Actually I read both sections and thought there was nothing ground breaking , magical or mysterious to me. It seems like a pretty neutral review to me.
" A gigantic iPod Touch" (and stated twice) is exactly that- nothing more, nothing less. Basically a webtoy.
post #146 of 187
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Originally Posted by iLoki View Post

Actually I read both sections and thought there was nothing ground breaking , magical or mysterious to me. It seems like a pretty neutral review to me.
" A gigantic iPod Touch" (and stated twice) is exactly that- nothing more, nothing less. Basically a webtoy.

So now you are changing your stance. I replied to your comment regarding Pogue's take on the iPad which you claimed is "neutral if not negative". Now it's about what you thought about the device, not about what Pogue clearly stated about the device. Remember, you questioned how AI could state that Pogue looked at the iPad favourably? So which position are you arguing, that the device isn't right for you so it's not right for anyone or that Pogue clearly doesn't like the iPad?
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Waitaminute!

No tabbed browsing? I was ready to go until that sunk in. Moving app to app by a quick restoration of previous states isn't much of a compromise if it's as fast as advertised, but being limited to one open web site is another matter entirely for someone who routinely keeps 20 or so tabs open. And at least my personal, professional and business email accounts plus fb and a news gatherer.

Is that a power drain deal too, or just an arbitrary design decision? I.e., would multi-tabbed Safari be that much of a power drain?

I'd settle for having tabs only be active and refreshing or drawing on a stream when they're front and center, but re-calling all those URL's all the time - even with bookmarks (I visit hundreds of sites - don't some of you?) - doesn't seem that intuitive. And certainly not "magical."

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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

I dunno, there are so many places that re-hash the same scant information in the Apple universe, articles are basically a commodity. When I really want to turn into a good fan boy, the forums are where it's at



Ignore lists. They aren't perfect, and even with them I still jump in when I know I should just move on, but they really do help separate the wheat from the chaff. There are enough people that make good, intelligent points and are a pleasure to read and/or engage that it offsets the noise from the usual suspects.

The only improvement I would like to see is the ability to ignore posts from people not on your ignore list that quote people on your ignore list. Or perhaps if they quote more than three lines of someone on your ignore list



You can't outwit or outlaw stupid. It's too smart for that All you can do is increase your tolerance to it and learn how to ignore it. We all have the power within us - it's just a matter of exercising the discipline to do so.



If you are talking about lurkers, there are a majority of people who will never comment - it's just not their thing. And that's OK. If everyone posted these threads would totally be out of control, not just mostly out of control

Really it's not that big of a deal as long as there is some content of value. The mods finally seem to be beating down those who truly deserve it, and it is very welcome. I expect that some of the moderate trolls will be allowed to remain because they do cause churn and page views - and that is how sites like this remain in existence. Complaining about the trolls helps the sites bottom line the same as an intelligent and thoughtful post that makes some good points or adds to the discussion.

I will watch on the sidelinse to see how this reformation plays out. \
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Waitaminute!

No tabbed browsing? I was ready to go until that sunk in. Moving app to app by a quick restoration of previous states isn't much of a compromise if it's as fast as advertised, but being limited to one open web site is another matter entirely for someone who routinely keeps 20 or so tabs open. And at least my personal, professional and business email accounts plus fb and a news gatherer.

Is that a power drain deal too, or just an arbitrary design decision? I.e., would multi-tabbed Safari be that much of a power drain?

I'd settle for having tabs only be active and refreshing or drawing on a stream when they're front and center, but re-calling all those URL's all the time - even with bookmarks (I visit hundreds of sites - don't some of you?) - doesn't seem that intuitive. And certainly not "magical."

Hold up! You'd rather have tabbed browsing that refreshes each time you switch tabs than have pages that don't refresh and that even run in the background, even while not in the Safari app, so music streaming and such can be played? That doesn't make much sense to me.

As for tabs v. pages there are two things to consider. 1) Hitting the pages button and then the page you want is only one extra tap. I don't consider that a deal breaker. 2) I wouldn't read too much into the current iPad setup since v4.0 is likely around the corner and will be a free upgrade for the iPad. Apple changed a great many things in iPhone OS to idealize it for the iPad, but it's clear several things are still a throwback to v3.x as not to give away anything for the next event. maybe they'll offer that, though I doubt it, as pages seem pretty useful.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Hold up! You'd rather have tabbed browsing that refreshes each time you switch tabs than have pages that don't refresh and that even run in the background, even while not in the Safari app, so music streaming and such can be played? That doesn't make much sense to me.

As for tabs v. pages there are two things to consider. 1) Hitting the pages button and then the page you want is only one extra tap. I don't consider that a deal breaker. 2) I wouldn't read too much into the current iPad setup since v4.0 is likely around the corner and will be a free upgrade for the iPad. Apple changed a great many things in iPhone OS to idealize it for the iPad, but it's clear several things are still a throwback to v3.x as not to give away anything for the next event. maybe they'll offer that, though I doubt it, as pages seem pretty useful.

uhhhh. hmmmm.

Maybe there's a few things I'm not understanding about the UI since I'm not totally clear on your post about pages vs tabs. Methinks I'll need an hour or two at an Apple store to decide. But I'd love to cut my backpack weight by three pounds and maybe go for one of those gorgeous 27" iMacs as my productivity machine rather than a single MBP as my compromise-but-does-it-all gadget.

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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

HOLD ON ONE MINUTE!!!

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It might be good at finger painting, but the finger lacks the detail a pointer and input devices provide.

If a painting app arrives, which I'm sure it will, it would have a lot of zoom control.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/te...anted=2&src=mv

It is quotes like this that leave me completely puzzled. Have you heard of the weekly magazine The New Yorker? Are you aware that several cover pictures for it have been created on the iPhone with an app from the App Store? The issue has already been settled before the iPad has even shipped. The main point is that non-practitioners are poor judges of what can be done with a particular tool. So I don't accept Pogue's opinion that the iPad will not be good for production, just consumption. It is likely to be a better tool for content producers because it is a better tool for consumption.
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uhhhh. hmmmm.

Maybe there's a few things I'm not understanding about the UI since I'm not totally clear on your post about pages vs tabs. Methinks I'll need an hour or two at an Apple store to decide. But I'd love to cut my backpack weight by three pounds and maybe go for one of those gorgeous 27" iMacs as my productivity machine rather than a single MBP as my compromise-but-does-it-all gadget.

There isn't much to understand. Just like with the iPhone and iPod Touch you can have multiple websites open at once. The only difference is the use of pages over tabs. This made complete sense on the smaller 3.5" display as there is no room to waste on tabs, but is harder to argue on the 10" device. Still, From using the demo, pages does appear to work well, though tabs as an option would be nice.

Go to 1m:20s in video to see how it works...

http://dailyiphoneblog.com/2010/03/3...d-safari-demo/
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

To my critics,

I just want to say it's better to be a informed consumer than a misinformed one.

I think the iPad is a wonderful device, it has a lot of great features, but since Apple is rather vague on the purpose, market and intention of this device, trying to cast the widest market net basically, it's up to us seasoned users to find out how this device fits in the real world.

Apple has a habit of creating a device and letting the market dictate what it's going to become, so opinions and comments matter. Heck, Apple didn't even think the iPod Touch would turn chiefly into a portable gaming device, but it did.

All I'm doing is helping in that process, which seems I'm not way off track if I have the Woz and Pogue agreeing with me.

If you don't like what I have to say, the ignore feature is in your User CP, but you might miss out on some good links I come across, even though you might not share in my opinions.

By which you mean repeatedly posting that the iPad is for children and incompetents.
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You really shouldn't be that guy that lives in a glass house, especially with a nick like yours.

Mmmm... That's my real name... I don't need to hide behind an alias.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

There isn't much to understand. Just like with the iPhone and iPod Touch you can have multiple websites open at once. The only difference is the use of pages over tabs. This made complete sense on the smaller 3.5" display as there is no room to waste on tabs, but is harder to argue on the 10" device. Still, From using the demo, pages does appear to work well, though tabs as an option would be nice.

Go to 1m:20s in video to see how it works...
http://dailyiphoneblog.com/2010/03/3...d-safari-demo/

I see, said the old blind guy. Thanks! Not perfecto perhaps, but seems quite serviceable. And puts the Pad back on my wish list. And as you said, 4.0 of the OS is due soon and (v2 of this baby in a year or so).

Never bought an iPhone or Touch. Get all the music I need on my old 60GB iPod in the car, iTunes through my home entertainment system, podcasts for walking on my Shuffle and enough net at home and in wi-fi hotspots - so stuck with Verizon and my Mobile TV (Flo TV) phone to follow cable news, CNBC and Comedy Central live.

So now for me coming down basically to "3G or not 3G?" That is a ($130 + data) question.

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Originally Posted by bigpics View Post

I see, said the old blind guy. Thanks! Not perfecto perhaps, but seems quite serviceable. And puts the Pad back on my wish list. And as you said, 4.0 of the OS is due soon and (v2 of this baby in a year or so).

Never bought an iPhone or Touch. Get all the music I need on my old 60GB iPod in the car, iTunes through my home entertainment system, podcasts for walking on my Shuffle and enough net at home and in wi-fi hotspots - so stuck with Verizon and my Mobile TV (Flo TV) phone to follow cable news, CNBC and Comedy Central live.

So now for me coming down basically to "3G or not 3G?" That is a ($130 + data) question.

Let's not forget that anyone can make a web-browser for the App Store so long as it's using WebKit on the backend (though why wouldn't you?), so i am certain a tabbed browser for the iPad is coming for someone, if not from Apple.

edit: They already exist...

http://ax.search.itunes.apple.com/We...rm=browser+tab
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Being an Apple basher means you never, ever have to acknowledge success.

Being an Apple zealot means you never have to acknowledge egg on your face for your lock-step defense of everything Apple does, even when Apple changes its own story.

"I try to be a good Christian. I follow all the teachings of the Bible. I even follow the teachings that contradict the other teachings." - Ned Flanders


Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody cares about third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.

Apple will not make a 3G iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.

Apple will not add GPS to the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.

Apple will not add copy and paste to the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors. Intel is evil.

Apple should not make laptops easier to service because it is impossible to make a thin and light laptop that is easy to service.

Apple should not add dynamic memory allocation to Mac OS. Nobody cares about dynamic memory allocation. Just use Get Info and change the number yourself.

Mac OS does not need preemptive multitasking or memory protection. Nobody cares about preemptive multitasking or memory protection. Just run fewer applications.

GUI is for wimps.

Nobody needs more than 640K of RAM.

Oh, wait. Those last 2 statements are typically directed at PC users, so Apple zealots have no problem rubbing those in PC users faces. But they can't stand anybody who points out instances where Apple zealots were made to look stupid.
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Yep. Apple has not done things and then subsequently done them. Of course, the idea that all or even very many Apple users were attacking the things Apple didn't do only to turn around and celebrate same once Apple did is entirely a matter of your own conjecture, since you don't actually cite any particular users.

So maybe we can add to our list of Apple basher's characteristics (based on the actual evidence at hand, you'll note) "Driven by inexplicable hostilities to just make shit up." Which strikes me as a kind of mental illness.
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Originally Posted by AppleRulez View Post

Then go away. Don't let the screen door hit you in the butt.

I believe the correct expression is " Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you."
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

So now you are changing your stance. I replied to your comment regarding Pogue's take on the iPad which you claimed is "neutral if not negative". Now it's about what you thought about the device, not about what Pogue clearly stated about the device. Remember, you questioned how AI could state that Pogue looked at the iPad favourably? So which position are you arguing, that the device isn't right for you so it's not right for anyone or that Pogue clearly doesn't like the iPad?

Neither - only that what Pogue gave is a neutral review. The first part being highly negative, the second part slightly positive which leads to a reasonable conclusion of neutrality or slightly negative in total. But judging by you trying to ignite an argument with me u take it an entirely different way. Perhaps you would like to explain your reasoning as I've explained mine.
And on another note you have misrepresented what I stated and can't possibly have any insight into what I tought. You seem very defensive by your name ,signature, and as stated in many of your 15,000 posts.
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