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Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post

Huh? This is advanced notice. How do you give advanced notice of advanced notice?

No, I meant; it seems to me (though I may be wrong according to Slopism) that Apple usually sends out notices for it's "Apple Special Event" some weeks in advance of the event. Not a couple of days. I seem to recall this for the "Previews" of Leopard, maybe the iPhone(?), and other things as well. I could be wrong. But I sure don't recall any preview event be called up with only 3 days advance notice.
As I said, I could be wrong.
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isaidso: You're right, they're usually announced about a week prior rather than 3 days. I wonder what could have been happening in the past week that made them wait until now to announce this event...
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post #84 of 218
Apple has a very broad product line, services and activities:

--Servers
--FloorTop Computers
--DeskTop Computers
--LapTop Computers
--Mini Computers
--Tablet Computer(s)
--Mobile Computers/Portable Game Players
--Smart Phones
--WiFi Routers
--Backup Devices
--SetTop Boxes (AppleTV)
--iPods
--Accessories

--Server OS
--Mac OS
--Mobile OS
--Speciality OS (TimeMachine, AppleTV, etc.)

--Pro Mac Apps
--iLife Mac Apps
--iWork Mac Apps
--Seed Mac Apps

--Strategic Windows Apps

--Seed Mobile Apps
--iWork Mobile apps

--Online Apple Store
--iTunes Media (A/V) Store
--iTunes App Store
--iTunes eBook Store
--iTunes Podcast Exchange

--Physical Apple Retail Stores

--Mobile Me Cloud

--ASIC Semiconductor Design

--Developer Products and Relations

--Support Services
--Repair Services
--Warranty Services


That's a whole lotta' stuff to research, develop, manufacture, integrate, maintain, upgrade, market and support by a very small number of employees.

What appears to be happening is that Apple is trying to stagger release cycles and product refreshes to:

--create/satisfy user demand
--maintain product relevance
--maintain product quality
--maintain/increase profit margins
--maintain growth/satisfy investers
--meet deadlines
--be the best at whatever they choose to do

As a customer, user, developer and investor... I think they're doing one helluva' job!

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While Apple will preview iPhone OS 4.0 on Apr 8, I think a bigger deal will be that Apple will reveal the iPhone will be available on all 4! major US carriers from Summer 2010 onwards.

They probably just came to a deal with the last carrier this weekend, which is why the invites are being sent just 3 days before the event.

I don't think its much of a stretch that Apple is cheekily referring to 4 as in iPhone OS 4.0, but also as in 4 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile).
post #86 of 218
The biggest let down of buying an iPod Touch last year was realizing that it won't sync with 3rd party apps any other way than over WiFi. Many businesses don't use WiFi for security reasons which means I can't sync half my apps (Things, Bento, etc.)
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Things I’d like to see...
  • Gaming API that allows for touch controls on screen that can be instantly linked to a HW D-pad accessory. Making it easy for developers to make this virtual to physical connection via the 30-pin connector without having to build for a specific HW vendor making the D-Pad. This would open up the gaming accessory market by standardizing the developers efforts while making it simple to do. It would also help bring more and better games to the platform and hardcore mobile gamers wouldn’t feel be afraid that they’d have to buy multiple HW D-pads for different game vendors.
  • Lockscreen that allows for Widgets, like weather, stocks, rich notifications, whatever.
  • Allow for default page when entering iPhone to show running widgets (or mini-apps) instead of the top 16 apps (only showing bottom row apps).
  • New Homepage Widget API so that devs can sell really cool Widgets on the App Store.
  • Multitasking for the 3GS and newer devices with Apple creating backgrounding API, devs utilizing it as needed and then users turning it on and enabling it for the backgroundable apps.
  • Detailed history of ALL notifications, making it searchable and accessible nearly everywhere you are in the system. Flicking the page up or down to see something similar to the way search works on iPhone OS grouping data from apps with their visible icon, but this would be for notifications you can order by app or by date or you can search.
  • Ability to search pages in Safari.
  • Folder os Smart Folder on Home Screen. Some potential Smart Folder categories are Recently Added apps, Apps used more than x-days ago, Games folder, etc.
  • I'd like the OS to send app usage data to iTunes so you can see which apps you haven't used or sued the most so you can clean out the "forgotten apps" that are still updated. This will same you and Apple from having to push as many updates.
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post #88 of 218
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

While Apple will preview iPhone OS 4.0 on Apr 8, I think a bigger deal will be that Apple will reveal the iPhone will be available on all 4! major US carriers from Summer 2010 onwards.

They probably just came to a deal with the last carrier this weekend, which is why the invites are being sent just 3 days before the event.

I don't think its much of a stretch that Apple is cheekily referring to 4 as in iPhone OS 4.0, but also as in 4 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile).

That's a pretty big assumption...what are you basing that on?
post #89 of 218
It's interesting how they announcing so close together.

Perhaps Apple needs to announce somethings before Microsoft announces on Monday.

Search and Maps partnership perhaps?

Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Things Id like to see...
  • Gaming API that allows for touch controls on screen that can be instantly linked to a HW D-pad accessory. Making it easy for developers to make this virtual to physical connection via the 30-pin connector without having to build for a specific HW vendor making the D-Pad. This would open up the gaming accessory market by standardizing the developers efforts while making it simple to do. It would also help bring more and better games to the platform and hardcore mobile gamers wouldnt feel be afraid that theyd have to buy multiple HW D-pads for different game vendors.
  • Lockscreen that allows for Widgets, like weather, stocks, rich notifications, whatever.
  • Allow for default page when entering iPhone to show running widgets (or mini-apps) instead of the top 16 apps (only showing bottom row apps).
  • New Homepage Widget API so that devs can sell really cool Widgets on the App Store.
  • Multitasking for the 3GS and newer devices with Apple creating backgrounding API, devs utilizing it as needed and then users turning it on and enabling it for the backgroundable apps.
  • Detailed history of ALL notifications, making it searchable and accessible nearly everywhere you are in the system. Flicking the page up or down to see something similar to the way search works on iPhone OS grouping data from apps with their visible icon, but this would be for notifications you can order by app or by date or you can search.
  • Ability to search pages in Safari.
  • Folder os Smart Folder on Home Screen. Some potential Smart Folder categories are Recently Added apps, Apps used more than x-days ago, Games folder, etc.
  • I'd like the OS to send app usage data to iTunes so you can see which apps you haven't used or sued the most so you can clean out the "forgotten apps" that are still updated. This will same you and Apple from having to push as many updates.
post #91 of 218
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

While Apple will preview iPhone OS 4.0 on Apr 8, I think a bigger deal will be that Apple will reveal the iPhone will be available on all 4! major US carriers from Summer 2010 onwards.

They probably just came to a deal with the last carrier this weekend, which is why the invites are being sent just 3 days before the event.

While I hope they have more carriers on board I don't think this invite is any sooner than the average number of business days they usually use.
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post #92 of 218
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Things Id like to see...
  • Gaming API that allows for touch controls on screen that can be instantly linked to a HW D-pad accessory. Making it easy for developers to make this virtual to physical connection via the 30-pin connector without having to build for a specific HW vendor making the D-Pad. This would open up the gaming accessory market by standardizing the developers efforts while making it simple to do. It would also help bring more and better games to the platform and hardcore mobile gamers wouldnt feel be afraid that theyd have to buy multiple HW D-pads for different game vendors.
  • Lockscreen that allows for Widgets, like weather, stocks, rich notifications, whatever.
  • Allow for default page when entering iPhone to show running widgets (or mini-apps) instead of the top 16 apps (only showing bottom row apps).
  • New Homepage Widget API so that devs can sell really cool Widgets on the App Store.
  • Multitasking for the 3GS and newer devices with Apple creating backgrounding API, devs utilizing it as needed and then users turning it on and enabling it for the backgroundable apps.
  • Detailed history of ALL notifications, making it searchable and accessible nearly everywhere you are in the system. Flicking the page up or down to see something similar to the way search works on iPhone OS grouping data from apps with their visible icon, but this would be for notifications you can order by app or by date or you can search.
  • Ability to search pages in Safari.
  • Folder os Smart Folder on Home Screen. Some potential Smart Folder categories are Recently Added apps, Apps used more than x-days ago, Games folder, etc.
  • I'd like the OS to send app usage data to iTunes so you can see which apps you haven't used or sued the most so you can clean out the "forgotten apps" that are still updated. This will same you and Apple from having to push as many updates.
post #93 of 218
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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post

That Lock Screen idea looks familiar mate.

Yes it does. Building a better mousetrap including utilizing the ideas of other mousetrap designers.
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post #94 of 218
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Originally Posted by O4BlackWRX View Post

As a developer I am excited yet as a consumer I am pissed because I just bought an iPad Saturday and now will have to pay (if I read the Appleinsider Article correctly) to upgrade it to 4.0 (well obviously not the beta's since I am an AD).

Edit: take that back "For example, if your iPad originally shipped with iPad 3.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPad OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPad 4.x software release. Such updates and releases may not necessarily include all of the new software features that Apple releases for newer iPad models."

So they knew 4.0 would be that close to releasing the iPad, maybe that's why I'm having a few issues with mine, such as the Wifi dropping

Are you serious? As a developer you should know better.
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post #95 of 218
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

I find it odd (and even a little concerning) that they scheduled / announced this with so little advanced notice. Seems they usually announce things like this weeks in advance.

Apple usually gives 5-8 days advance notice. So this is shorter than usual.

Separately, this is an SDK preview, so it's focused on developers. One likely item is iAds, the supposed new mobile advertising system. If there is multitasking, we'll see that as well. Maybe we'll see printing.

But one shouldn't expect that we will see UI changes that don't impact developers. And Apple might keep hidden, even from developers, things that would pre-announce the next iPhone's hardware features.

As per past custom, I would expect the SDK to be immediately available for download.
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post #96 of 218
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Originally Posted by LouisTheXIV View Post

I think it's safe to say the time for a UI refresh is now...but I wouldn't count on it. they just released the iPad with the same OS with almost nothing changed...same old tired 2007 look and feel.

That "old tired 2007 look and feel" works and works well. Simply changing it for the sake of change is a recipe for failure. Apple put a huge amount of effort into designing a functional and usable OS. I personally love it as do the many friends that own one.

Comments like that simply enforce the techie stereotype. You'll just end up ooohing and aaahing the eye candy for five minutes until you get bored and want the next "fix".

I'll take simple and efficient anytime with controlled updates to make it even better. You want a visual mess with endless configurations and visual stimuli to soothe most folks with too much time on their hands?? Android may be better for you then.

It's fine the way it is.
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Yes it does. Building a better mousetrap including utilizing the ideas of other mousetrap designers.

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post #98 of 218
Can't wait! And it's this week, amazing. Summer release along with new iPhone HD.

The double 4 in the invitation is obviously an indication of "multi tasking"
post #99 of 218
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

While Apple will preview iPhone OS 4.0 on Apr 8, I think a bigger deal will be that Apple will reveal the iPhone will be available on all 4! major US carriers from Summer 2010 onwards.

They probably just came to a deal with the last carrier this weekend, which is why the invites are being sent just 3 days before the event.

I don't think its much of a stretch that Apple is cheekily referring to 4 as in iPhone OS 4.0, but also as in 4 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile).

i can understand it's hard to make a GSM/CDMA all in one phone.

what is the technical challenge in making separate phones for AT&T and T-Mo? Even the Nexus One has different models that won't work on 3G frequencies of both GSM carriers
post #100 of 218
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Don't know why they didn't release it on same date as iPad???

so they can bilk an extra $10 out of the early adopters for the update...SUCKERS HAHA
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post #101 of 218
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That's a pretty big assumption...what are you basing that on?

Pretty much a wild guess. However, the two flimsy bits of grounding is the #4, and the pretty short notice they have given media firms. Normally, Apple likes to give much greater notice, and reap the advertising benefits of the speculations leading upto it.

Alternatively, the short time may be explained by the recent iPad launch event. The rumors reached an insane level which no product was ever going to meet, which Apple may have felt led to a lot of unmet expectations during the actual reveal hurting the initial reactions on the web. Hence, they figured 3 days isn't enough for ridiculously wild speculation.
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That's a pretty big assumption...what are you basing that on?

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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

i can understand it's hard to make a GSM/CDMA all in one phone.

what is the technical challenge in making separate phones for AT&T and T-Mo? Even the Nexus One has different models that won't work on 3G frequencies of both GSM carriers

They will need to install a different radio chip for TMobile, but not many other changes (TMobile uses the same GSM tech, but at a different frequency).

I think the "technical challenges" are way overrated. It involves changing one aspect of the network stack, and the critical part (i.e. the software) is unlikely to require too many changes, since its using TCP/IP anyways, and nothing that is based on GSM (although, its possible that some of the S/W optimizations that they apparently worked with ATT for might need to be adjusted).

But even if it did cost them the same as it would for them to develop a new iphone from scratch, don't you think they would find it to be worth it to more than double their US marketshare? Currently, the US carrier marketshare is Verizon, ATT, Sprint, TMobile. This will also open them up to more networks in Canada, and Asia (Europe is almost all GSM)
post #103 of 218
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i can understand it's hard to make a GSM/CDMA all in one phone.

what is the technical challenge in making separate phones for AT&T and T-Mo? Even the Nexus One has different models that won't work on 3G frequencies of both GSM carriers

The world-mode phones aren't ideal for many reasons. Even the Storm's world-mode offering for Verizon is conveniently absent of the GSM bands for AT&T and T-Mobile USA.

Apple could add the T-Mobile USA band to the iPhone with ease. The Infineon chips allow for more bands than the 3 they current use.
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/produ...12d7390ad9000a I'm leaning toward the next iPhone not working on T-Mobile USA since the iPad could have easily added the 4th band, it is unlocked after all, but according to the FCC images it only has the typical three bands already used.
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post #104 of 218
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

In 2009, Apple released iPhone OS 3.0 adding cut, copy and paste, MMS, voice memos, and Spotlight search.

And tethering. Don't forget that. It's still there even if AT&T hasn't enabled yet
post #105 of 218
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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post

The biggest let down of buying an iPod Touch last year was realizing that it won't sync with 3rd party apps any other way than over WiFi. Many businesses don't use WiFi for security reasons which means I can't sync half my apps (Things, Bento, etc.)

With the iPad you can now sync files via iTunes over USB, so who knows. And for all they force wireless syncing for, it still burns me I can't sync with iTunes over wifi
post #106 of 218
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

They will need to install a different radio chip for TMobile, but not many other changes (TMobile uses the same GSM tech, but at a different frequency).

I think the "technical challenges" are way overrated. It involves changing one aspect of the network stack, and the critical part (i.e. the software) is unlikely to require too many changes, since its using TCP/IP anyways, and nothing that is based on GSM (although, its possible that some of the S/W optimizations that they apparently worked with ATT for might need to be adjusted).

But even if it did cost them the same as it would for them to develop a new iphone from scratch, don't you think they would find it to be worth it to more than double their US marketshare? Currently, the US carrier marketshare is Verizon, ATT, Sprint, TMobile. This will also open them up to more networks in Canada, and Asia (Europe is almost all GSM)

they don't have radio chips that work on all frequencies? i always thought it was the carriers that made the manufacturers lock down the baseband so even if someone unlocks the phone they are limited to how it's used
post #107 of 218
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Did I miss anything?

Looks like a good list. Add Wifi sync for music, podcasts, etc. with iTunes.

Edit: oh yeah - they desperately need something for app management. There needs to be a clear indication if an app is an iPod, iPhone or both and it needs to be at the system level. Especially in iTunes - it's a royal pita to manage an iPhone and iPad out of one iTunes. Even something as simple as a setting to load only the more relevant app if you have both in your library. Have developers put something in the meta data for their apps to help itunes sort this stuff out!


I would also like to see them bring inkwell/handwriting recognition to the iPad. I still have a newton and once trained it can read scrawls I can't I do miss it. I also miss the newton drawing program that could optionally straighten squares you drew, make circles round, triangles with straight lines, etc. It was very handy for creating neat looking quick sketches. If someone knows of such an iPhone or iPad app I would appreciate a shout out!
post #108 of 218
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

That "old tired 2007 look and feel" works and works well. Simply changing it for the sake of change is a recipe for failure. Apple put a huge amount of effort into designing a functional and usable OS. I personally love it as do the many friends that own one.

Comments like that simply enforce the techie stereotype. You'll just end up ooohing and aaahing the eye candy for five minutes until you get bored and want the next "fix".

I'll take simple and efficient anytime with controlled updates to make it even better. You want a visual mess with endless configurations and visual stimuli to soothe most folks with too much time on their hands?? Android may be better for you then.

It's fine the way it is.

But it will be great if weather information and warnings can be shown on the UI, at least the first page.
post #109 of 218
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post



Did I miss anything?

Good list. I'd add: even better battery life, some type of innovative folder management system for apps (rather than multiple screens), back to an aluminum screen (if they've got better at it).

Definitely enabling use in disk mode (perhaps that's what you meant by your last one).
post #110 of 218
A few things I'm hoping to see:

* Major revamp of Maps.app with turn-by-turn directions.
* Ability to delete Apple apps like Photos, Voice Memos, YouTube, Stocks, etc.
* Updated Weather app badge that shows current weather.
* Podcast syncing/updating over WiFi.
* iTunes syncing/updating over WiFi -- especially playlists. (I think this will happen -- at the earliest -- when the next, Lala-revamped version of iTunes comes out later this year.)
* Books.app on the iPhone. (Doubtful, but I'd like to see it. Would be a good advertisement for iPad -- if only the book were bigger....)
* Ability to reply to a text message in Messages.app without closing the current app.
* Ability of Camera.app to shoot video on the 3G. (If $1.99 third-party apps can do it, Apple can do it.)
post #111 of 218
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

what is the technical challenge in making separate phones for AT&T and T-Mo?

None, obviously. So therefore it must be something other than a technical issue - like say a business one?

If I had to guess (and it's not much of a guess based on their statements and past actions) Verizon was or is trying to exercise more control than Apple is willing to cede. The problem for Verizon is, as time goes on and AT&T improves thier network and apple releases more cool toys their position gets weaker and weaker.

Yeah, Apple could sell more phones on Verizon, but they aren't going to until it makes business sense. Obviously it doesn't make enough business sense for Apple or they would be doing it already.

And before anyone starts Monday morning quarterbacking - until you can show me executive experience in a company of similar success as Apple, you'll have to pardon me if I trust their judgement over yours.
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Originally Posted by a_greer View Post

so they can bilk an extra $10 out of the early adopters for the update...SUCKERS HAHA

Free update to 4 for iPad owners

But thank you for playing.
post #113 of 218
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

Alternatively, the short time may be explained...

...by any one of a countless number of reasons that we may never know. And in the end it doesn't matter anyway...
post #114 of 218
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Things Id like to see...
  • Gaming API that allows for touch controls on screen that can be instantly linked to a HW D-pad accessory. Making it easy for developers to make this virtual to physical connection via the 30-pin connector without having to build for a specific HW vendor making the D-Pad. This would open up the gaming accessory market by standardizing the developers efforts while making it simple to do. It would also help bring more and better games to the platform and hardcore mobile gamers wouldnt feel be afraid that theyd have to buy multiple HW D-pads for different game vendors.
  • Lockscreen that allows for Widgets, like weather, stocks, rich notifications, whatever.
  • Allow for default page when entering iPhone to show running widgets (or mini-apps) instead of the top 16 apps (only showing bottom row apps).
  • New Homepage Widget API so that devs can sell really cool Widgets on the App Store.
  • Multitasking for the 3GS and newer devices with Apple creating backgrounding API, devs utilizing it as needed and then users turning it on and enabling it for the backgroundable apps.
  • Detailed history of ALL notifications, making it searchable and accessible nearly everywhere you are in the system. Flicking the page up or down to see something similar to the way search works on iPhone OS grouping data from apps with their visible icon, but this would be for notifications you can order by app or by date or you can search.
  • Ability to search pages in Safari.
  • Folder os Smart Folder on Home Screen. Some potential Smart Folder categories are Recently Added apps, Apps used more than x-days ago, Games folder, etc.
  • I'd like the OS to send app usage data to iTunes so you can see which apps you haven't used or sued the most so you can clean out the "forgotten apps" that are still updated. This will same you and Apple from having to push as many updates.
post #115 of 218
When the 3.0 Software picture was out, it was a blueprint. It looked like if Apple was working on the things consumers were missing. And this 4.0 picture looks like its mysterious, and has a serious side into it. Thats why only the leg is showing and the rest is the shadow of the 4. Its like if Apple is trying to prove to us that this is a big deal in the software and that theres gonna be a different side to it, and maybe Mr.Jobs is trying to prove himself right with the A+ iPhone.
post #116 of 218
The only thing I really want is a speed boost for Safari and possbily an ability to view pages in full screen mode without the carrier bar. Other then that OS 3.0 is still the best.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

The existing iPhone 3.x software is a fully preemptive multitasking operating system, but it only allows Apple-developed applications to run in the background.

I didn't know that you couldn't run Apple-developed apps in the foreground - they better fix that soon.
post #118 of 218
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post

isaidso: You're right, they're usually announced about a week prior rather than 3 days. I wonder what could have been happening in the past week that made them wait until now to announce this event...

Ohhhhhh. NOW I get it.

"Microsoft plans April 12 mystery event: Pulling another page from Apple's playbook, Microsoft has sent out a cryptic invitation to lure reporters to an upcoming event, while offering almost no clue as to what will be introduced."
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Apple supports free upgrades for the first two years so you should be fine unless you own the original iPhone...

I don't recall this ever being stated by Apple as their policy.
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i'll bet that the new iphone will be AT LEAST as fast as the ipad, which right now blows any other smaart phone OS off the map
the big surprise is how did they get the performance from this chip that others by spec haven't been able to do
all those new droids etc now will be slow and need upgrade counter to the typical time of customer upgrades. also will put many on notice for upgrade since who wants to buy anything now till june BEFORE they compare to iphone 4.0

it will give us huge insight to iphone 4.0, and hope for an :SJ "surprise"

and when do schools purchase there IT stuff???? decisions must include iPad and iphone 4.0 as options.
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