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Twitter users reacting to Apple's iPad after it launched on Saturday were overwhelmingly happy with the new device, with the biggest complaint being that the device can't replace their iPhone, a new survey of the social networking Web site found.

On Tuesday, Attensity Group released its analysis of public reaction from Twitter, which analyzed 50,000 "tweets" related to the iPad. The survey found that 67 percent of people "like the iPad," and another 6 percent "love" it." For those against the product, 24 percent were said to be "not thrilled" with the iPad, while 2 percent "hate" Apple's new device.

In perhaps the best bit of news for Apple from the survey, 87 percent of those talking about the iPad on Twitter after the product launched indicated they will buy an iPad, while just 13 percent said they will not purchase one.

The biggest complaint from new iPad users was the fact that the device will not replace an iPhone. The study found that 26 percent of those complaining about the device wish it could replace their handset. Another 19 percent were upset over the lack of support for Adobe Flash, while 17 percent believe the pricing of applications on the App Store is too high.

The mention of iPhone replacement could suggest that users who bought the Wi-Fi-only iPad on Saturday wish they had waited for the 3G model, due to arrive later this month. Like the iPhone, the 3G model will offer a persistent wireless data connection through carrier AT&T in the U.S. There's also the iPad's custom-built, speedy A4 processor, which makes the large-screen device more responsive than the iPhone 3GS.



Unsurprisingly, the thing that made users most happy about the iPad is the range of applications from the App Store, with 38 percent of positive Twitter comments related to iPad software. Another 26 percent said the new device could replace some of the functions of their iPhone, while 17 percent were satisfied with the screen and 9 percent praised the soft keyboard.

Users' favorite iPad application, with 34 percent of the Twitter discussion, was Apple's iBooks, the book reading and purchasing application that users are prompted to download upon launching the App Store. Another 31 percent spoke positively of Netflix, while the iWork suite of applications was represented by 27 percent.



Apple revealed on Monday that the iPad got off to a strong start in sales, with 300,000 of the new device being sold on its first day alone. That's a number better than the 270,000 the first-generation iPhone sold at launch.
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It would actually be nice to be able to make phonecalls on it.
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was it ever marketed to be a replacement for the iPhone???
that is a really a dumb complaint.
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Anyone thinking this would be an iPhone replacement, must be kidding themselves. The primary task of each of these devices just isn't the same. There is cross-over, but that isn't the same.

As for the "no flash support", I would be curious to see in what contexts and on which sites.
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asinine

edit: it's irresistible to not respond to such accordingly, because dumb questions will always yield dumb answers.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.
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was it ever marketed to be a replacement for the iPhone???
that is a really a dumb complaint.

Can you imagine the anti-iPad mocking from the PC fanboyz showing someone holding an iPad to their ear

Apple investors would not exactly love it if it cannibalized iPhone sales either! Of course it can use Skype and similar systems so it isn't totally without communications ability.

p.s. After three days now using it around the clock I haven't missed Flash yet!
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Was there ever a pre-release survey of expected "early adopters" to guage initial demand for WiFi Vs. 3G iPads? I'm quite curious as to how this would break down.
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The biggest complaint from new iPad users was the fact that the device will not replace an iPhone. The study found that 26 percent of those complaining about the device wish it could replace their handset.

Who the hell wants to carry around a 1.5-pound, 10" tablet all day to make phone calls? Are these people idiots? What is this, 1985? It's not made to replace an iPhone and never was designed to.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

You would be even more silly looking if you started holding your iPad up to your ears
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

I'm sorry, but I think it IS rather dumb. Why would you want to carry around a 10" tablet all day and use it as your primary phone?

You going to carry it in a man purse? Sure, you can use a Bluetooth headset with it, but you've still got to deal with its bulk whereas an iPhone fits in your pocket.
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You would be even more silly looking if you started holding your iPad up to your ears


Speakerphone, including the use of earbuds/wired/BT headset.

Of course, I doubt it would be an oft-used feature.
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All the iPad can replace is an iPod Touch.
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All the iPad can replace is an iPod Touch.

And a netbook.
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The survey had no way of catching whether these Tweets were from people who actually owned an iPad, right? I find it hard to believe that people that actually bought one expected it to be a replacement of their iPhone. Must be from people who didn't understand what the iPad was about, hence had not bought one.

And yes, those people who expected the iPad to be an iPhone replacement are complete morons.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

Nope, it is dumb. Yeah there is a huge overlap between the devices but making phone calls is not part of that overlap. Nobody from Apple ever said the iPad was meant to replace a phone. From day one, they said the iPad sits between the iPhone and a laptop. People who get an iPad and complain that a device with a 10-inch screen and no 3G is unable to replace their phones are being dumb. It's time we speak up when someone says something dumb, instead of pretending that what is being said isn't a stupid, asinine idea. If more of us did that in 2002, we wouldn't be in such a mess in Iraq.

Yeah I woke up grumpy today.
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And a netbook.

How? Can I print properly formated spreadsheets, webpages, word documents, PDF files, etc from it? Can I hook it up to a larger monitor without the need for a dongle? Can I plug in an SD card without needing another dongle? Can I plug my Nikon D60 in without needing a dongle? Can I scan in documents using my wireless AIW printer? Can I run Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Linux, or the full OS X with an iPad?

Let's not kid ourselves here. The iPad can be a netbook replacement for some people, but not all

OK, enough of that... back to the topic at hand
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

Yes, this is my feeling also. Not having the iPad natively be a phone is what has put it in the "whatever, I'll wait for the next version and see what happens" category.

The nice thing about the iPhone is how well it took a bunch of little devices and squeezed them all into a little box. I don't want to carry around an additional devices. If I'm carrying around the iPad, which does everything that the phone does, but "magically" better, I might as well use it a blue tooth cell phone/speaker phone also, and just dump the phone.

Skype obviously comes close, but I need Skype on more than just a wifi hotspot; I need to be able to get calls through at any moment notice, like through a cell carrier.
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yes , it is right to call them dumb for complaining that ipad doesnt replace the iphone.

EG:
"i'm annoyed my 27inch imac doesnt replace my iphone"
"i'm annoyed my helicopter doesnt replace my car"
"i'm annoyed my oven doesnt replace my saucepan"

All stupid statements as they are all items that were NEVER intended to replace the other.
Sure there is some cross-over in usage, but thats all.

You cant complain when something doesnt do what it was never designed to do.

Those people are then ones who are responsible for all the dumb signs on everything like : not for anal use on a vacuum cleaner, and do not place animals inside, on a microwave.

society should call these people stupid to their faces and not make excuses for them. hopefully that will make them thing about things first and hopefully not have to have everything dumbed down the lowest denominator.

But, I suppose, how long before Apple are forced to put a big red warning sticker on all iPads saying: WARNING: Not an iPhone replacement
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It would actually be nice to be able to make phonecalls on it.

Skype.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

If they ever a 1.5lbs device with a 10" display was going to be a natural replacement for an iPhone then that is a little dumb. If they felt it would make for a great aircraft carrier whilst in the bath then that is a lot dumb.


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Apple investors would not exactly love it if it cannibalized iPhone sales either! Of course it can use Skype and similar systems so it isn't totally without communications ability.

The jury is still out but I am going to see if I can replace my iPhone with an iPad. I don't make calls much, and when I do Google Voice may suffice. Plus, I'm almost always carrying a book with me already and it can save me about $40/month from not having the phone part of my AT&T bill.

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p.s. After three days now using it around the clock I haven't missed Flash yet!

Neither have I. Netflix and ABC work great for streaming shows.
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Yes, this is my feeling also. Not having the iPad natively be a phone is what has put it in the "whatever, I'll wait for the next version and see what happens" category.

The nice thing about the iPhone is how well it took a bunch of little devices and squeezed them all into a little box. I don't want to carry around an additional devices. If I'm carrying around the iPad, which does everything that the phone does, but "magically" better, I might as well use it a blue tooth cell phone/speaker phone also, and just dump the phone.

Skype obviously comes close, but I need Skype on more than just a wifi hotspot; I need to be able to get calls through at any moment notice, like through a cell carrier.

Let me ask you this. Do you carry your phone everywhere with you now? I mean, do you keep your phone in your pocket all day? If you do, you probably don't even think about.

Now think about all the phone usage scenarios with a 10" tablet...
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I too am of the camp that these people are DUMB.

There is a reason these people are using Twitter... They are a bunch of TWITS!!!

The iPad is merely a enlarged iPod touch, which leads me to my believe that the iPod touch might be renamed to the iPad mini or iPad nano. Because the touch wasn't really an iPod from the get-go. It was just an iPhone that couldn't make calls and was a lot thinner and shinier looking.
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How? Can I print properly formated spreadsheets, webpages, word documents, PDF files, etc from it? Can I hook it up to a larger monitor without the need for a dongle? Can I plug in an SD card without needing another dongle? Can I plug my Nikon D60 in without needing a dongle? Can I scan in documents using my wireless AIW printer? Can I run Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Linux, or the full OS X with an iPad?

Let's not kid ourselves here. The iPad can be a netbook replacement for some people, but not all

OK, enough of that... back to the topic at hand

Just one person's view ... mine
I at first thought I'd want to print too and I did see some apps appearing for that already. However, now I am not that concerned to be honest. I know it's only been three days of use I have had but my take is that the iPad is primarily a product for absorbing information plus great e-mail. What the iPad gives me is a tremendously appreciated break from sitting at the Mac Pro. I can relax and continue gathering information, researching and keeping in touch. I e-mail myself links and get back to work when I need to on the Mac Pro.

I have also already used it to take to a client and used it to showcase work instead of a MacBook. Not being sure they had wi-fi I took tons of screen shots on the iPad while in my office and had them already. It turned out they didn't have reliable wi-fi so I used the Photo app to flick through all the screen shots. To be honest I suspect they didn't even realize it wasn't on the web live. I got the deal and the client left to go to Best Buy to see if they had any iPads left.

I am fast wondering how I lived without it.
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Anyone using it as a phone would look plain dumb holding it against the ear
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How? Can I print properly formated spreadsheets, webpages, word documents, PDF files, etc from it? Can I hook it up to a larger monitor without the need for a dongle? Can I plug in an SD card without needing another dongle? Can I plug my Nikon D60 in without needing a dongle? Can I scan in documents using my wireless AIW printer? Can I run Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Linux, or the full OS X with an iPad?

Let's not kid ourselves here. The iPad can be a netbook replacement for some people, but not all

OK, enough of that... back to the topic at hand

I agree. If I had a netbook, I would use it to take notes at university - there's no way I could use an iPad for that; I type much faster on a hardware QWERTY. The iPad is nice, but it won't serve as a netbook-replacement for anyone I know.
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I am fast wondering how I lived without it.

I can't believe how much I've spent for apps already.
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How? Can I print properly formated spreadsheets, webpages, word documents, PDF files, etc from it? Can I hook it up to a larger monitor without the need for a dongle? Can I plug in an SD card without needing another dongle? Can I plug my Nikon D60 in without needing a dongle? Can I scan in documents using my wireless AIW printer? Can I run Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Linux, or the full OS X with an iPad?

oh common netbooks are the biggest pile of sh*t i've ever seen..
seriously..all those ppl who are complaining about the ipads specs are total hypocrats.."it cant even multitask"..common seriously? try to run a browser with flash + word on a netbook..and - hey - why not connect a 1920*1200 screen to it? i bet you 100 bucks no 300$-netbook on this planet can handle this in an enjoyable way.
the ipad has pretty decent hardware for what it was build for..you cant run a full OS on a device that small.. doesnt matter if its a netbook or a tablet..but it wasnt built for that!
it was build for touch controls not for a mouse like a desktop pc..
and who gives a sh*t about a small adapter? just leave it on your goddamn camera-usb-cord and when u need it its there and it works..i dont see any problems?!

sry for the long post and bad grammar i was in a rush
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I agree. If I had a netbook, I would use it to take notes at university - there's no way I could use an iPad for that; I type much faster on a hardware QWERTY. The iPad is nice, but it won't serve as a netbook-replacement for anyone I know.

I don't agree. I think it can't replace a notebook but it can replace the reason most people got netbooks, for consumption and occasional or lite input . I found trying to type on the shrunken keyboard of a netbook to be a chore. iPad typing is fast, the only drawback to it is the need to constantly look at the display, but I had to with the netbook, too, because it's not full sized.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said.

Well as many people have pointed out, complaining that a device that is at least 5 times larger and 5 times heavier than an iPhone .... would be a good replacement.... is kinda dumb.


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And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

This is pretty silly too. Most people don't own an iPhone. Most people don't even have a smart phone.
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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

I can call them dumb as well as you, which is my basic right.

Trying to use a device for things for which it was not designed IS dumb. The 3G models have yet to arrive. But even then, the 3G connection is meant more for DATA, not voice.

On Steve's initial keynote, he showed a diagram of how the iPad fits BETWEEN laptops and phones.

Give the kiddies more time to play and they'll figure it out better.

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Mt biggest complaint is it doesn't replace my car.

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Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

In a sense I agree with you. I'm sure that those who are disappointed that the iPad cannot replace their phone didn't actually buy it expecting that it could, obviously (particularly considering that the 3G version hasn't shipped yet). They just wish that it could. This feeling is actually a very good sign - they might have complained about some other practicality or lacking feature but picked one that they knew was never an option. It's a bit like looking for something to be disappointed about. These respondents must be pretty happy overall.

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All the iPad can replace is an iPod Touch.

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And a netbook.

Now that Apple has the iPad out there, they have an opportunity to continue to advance the operating system along with advancing hardware so that before too long, netbooks won't be all it replaces. Apple has broken with the desktop/folder paradigm that had worked well enough when there were tens to hundreds to thousands of files on any given machine but now with millions, leaves users bewildered. iTunes and iPhoto were the start for Apple but iPhone OS continues the march away from the old days. How often does one see computer desktops strewn with files, many users cannot cope now and many of the users whom Apple is hoping to attract will have absolutely no interest in managing files.

The iPad is revolutionary not so much in what it offers us now but in the mandate and opportunity that it provides Apple. Only later will it be obvious just how revolutionary it is.
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I can't believe how much I've spent for apps already.

I can't believe how impulse shopping mania has hit me..

What about the press?.. the people writing the results of these sensationally stupid consumer responses to something they must not have thought much about is amazing.

but, being in the news is "important" for a new product.. early adopters should really shut down for a month or two while others wonder why it isn't a phone.. a camera. and everything else they have on their computer for $499~!~ from APPLE!!!!

THE NEW IPHONE will make this thing toast! But, it is supposed to be an appliance after all.
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Apple did not market as a phone and if someone bought it thinking it was, well.............

Its a pretty compact device but not close to the compactness of a phone.

While compact and easy to carry, it won't fit in your pocket.

Even if you could make calls, are you really going to switch out sim cards between the iPad and your phone?

Not sure how people are reasoning this.
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I don't agree. I think it can't replace a notebook but it can replace the reason most people got netbooks, for consumption and occasional or lite input . I found trying to type on the shrunken keyboard of a netbook to be a chore. iPad typing is fast, the only drawback to it is the need to constantly look at the display, but I had to with the netbook, too, because it's not full sized.

Except I wasn't talking about "occasional or lite input", but "taking lecture notes", which requires fast and precise typing that is just impossible on an iPad (though I will be honest and admit that I haven't tried it yet). This is pretty much the one thing everyone I know uses their netbook for.
Personally, I take 4-5 pages of written notes per lecture, and I can assure you that even the crappiest hardware-keyboard would be better suited to this task than a slate of glass. Nevermind the fact that there are netbooks with very good keyboards out there.
I'm not even trashing the iPad here, just saying that there are many people, especially in academic settings, who simply use netbooks as ultraportable note-taking devices, and the iPad is not very well suited to this task.
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was it ever marketed to be a replacement for the iPhone???
that is a really a dumb complaint.

I agree. Who are these people who though that a 9.5" x 7.5" device would replace the phone that they slip in and out of their pocket??? That is just dumb.
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oh common netbooks are the biggest pile of sh*t i've ever seen..
seriously..all those ppl who are complaining about the ipads specs are total hypocrats.."it cant even multitask"..common seriously? try to run a browser with flash + word on a netbook..and - hey - why not connect a 1920*1200 screen to it? i bet you 100 bucks no 300$-netbook on this planet can handle this in an enjoyable way.
the ipad has pretty decent hardware for what it was build for..you cant run a full OS on a device that small.. doesnt matter if its a netbook or a tablet..but it wasnt built for that!
it was build for touch controls not for a mouse like a desktop pc..
and who gives a sh*t about a small adapter? just leave it on your goddamn camera-usb-cord and when u need it its there and it works..i dont see any problems?!

sry for the long post and bad grammar i was in a rush

Agreed - in a moment of madness last year I purchased an Asus EEE PC 900. Without doubt the biggest pile of sh*t I've used in my 30 years of computing. Slow, crap screen, pathetic battery life and the keyboard is impossible to type on without constantly having to correct yourself because the keys are so tightly crammed together and in slightly offset positions to the norm.

Mine has been gathering dust so I'm going to pop it on eBay along with my Power Mac G5 and get some money towards the iPad when it launches in the UK.
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Except I wasn't talking about "occasional or lite input", but "taking lecture notes", which requires fast and precise typing that is just impossible on an iPad (though I will be honest and admit that I haven't tried it yet). This is pretty much the one thing everyone I know uses their netbook for.
Personally, I take 4-5 pages of written notes per lecture, and I can assure you that even the crappiest hardware-keyboard would be better suited to this task than a slate of glass. Nevermind the fact that there are netbooks with very good keyboards out there.
I'm not even trashing the iPad here, just saying that there are many people, especially in academic settings, who simply use netbooks as ultraportable note-taking devices, and the iPad is not very well suited to this task.

I'm sure some people can type just fine on the shrunken keyboard, and even move between keyboard sizes just fine. I qualified my post to not include everyone in my comment, but the users that I think are the average netbook buyers. I don't think the most common use for netbooks is in classrooms and my anecdotal experience with netbooks shows they are mainly for basic consumption using email and web browsing primarily.
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