Twitter users' biggest complaint with iPad: it can't replace an iPhone - Page 2

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

And a netbook.

Originally Posted by gotApple

All the iPad can replace is an iPod Touch.

Originally Posted by ThinkAdrian

Is there a possibility in the iBook app to switch from the terrible page flick method to vertical scroll like standard PDFs?

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

AFAIK, "fanboyz" are exclusively an Apple phenomenon, or at least, such a phenomenon includes a vanishingly small number of Windows users.

Originally Posted by snowshovel

Yes, this is my feeling also. Not having the iPad natively be a phone is what has put it in the "whatever, I'll wait for the next version and see what happens" category.

The nice thing about the iPhone is how well it took a bunch of little devices and squeezed them all into a little box. I don't want to carry around an additional devices. If I'm carrying around the iPad, which does everything that the phone does, but "magically" better, I might as well use it a blue tooth cell phone/speaker phone also, and just dump the phone.

Skype obviously comes close, but I need Skype on more than just a wifi hotspot; I need to be able to get calls through at any moment notice, like through a cell carrier.

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

It cannot replace a netbook.

Originally Posted by solipsism

It's neither an Apple or computer-related phenomenon. There are rabid fan clubs with fanboys and fangirls for pretty much anything under the sun.

Originally Posted by ktappe

Stop calling users dumb for feeling what they feel. You can disagree but you can't call them dumb--it's a fact that they are feeling the way they said. And it actually is a bit silly to have to carry both an iPad and an iPhone considering the huge amount of overlap between the devices.

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

AFAIK, "fanboyz" are exclusively an Apple phenomenon, or at least, such a phenomenon includes a vanishingly small number of Windows users.

Most folks use their computers as a tool, and not as an element of their identity.

Apple used to attract those who wanted to join a club which consisted of "the rest of us" who tried to "think different". But the company has now changed, starting with the iPod, into a mass market company for the lowest common denominator buyer who doesn't really give a damn abut computers. It is hard to be "one of the rest of us" when every fashion-conscious trendster wears white headphones as a fashion accessory.

Originally Posted by Parkettpolitur

Except I wasn't talking about "occasional or lite input", but "taking lecture notes", which requires fast and precise typing that is just impossible on an iPad (though I will be honest and admit that I haven't tried it yet). This is pretty much the one thing everyone I know uses their netbook for.
Personally, I take 4-5 pages of written notes per lecture, and I can assure you that even the crappiest hardware-keyboard would be better suited to this task than a slate of glass. Nevermind the fact that there are netbooks with very good keyboards out there.
I'm not even trashing the iPad here, just saying that there are many people, especially in academic settings, who simply use netbooks as ultraportable note-taking devices, and the iPad is not very well suited to this task.

Originally Posted by akhomerun

simple solution: allow tethering with an iphone.

reasons it won't happen:
carriers charge extra for tethering capability
the ipad has no exclusive contract with at&t, so any thoughts of at&t allowing it with no extra charge won't be happening.

Originally Posted by wigby

people complaining that ipad cannot replace iphone aren't as much dumb as they are being deceptive. if they're not fooling themselves, they are surely lying about their feelings. no intelligent computer user with extra cash to spend would ever believe something as large as a tablet that cannot make phone calls will replace their pocket-sized phone. as for your home or office, the overlap is greater and it might even be a toss up for me.

Originally Posted by Carmissimo

You make a valid point but there are settings in which the iPad could be used for note taking because a bluetooth keyboard or the dock/keyboard combo that Apple is offering will get around having to imput on a virtual keyboard. Journalists, for example (I used to be one of those) sitting up in a press box could easily set up an iPad to do their work. Anywhere that allows for the iPad to be propped up in front of you would allow for such a use and I do imagine that for firing off an e-mail, the iPad would do the trick even working off the virtual keyboard.

Not everyone who owns a netbook is a student taking lecture notes.

Also, the flaw of the netbook is that many folks think of it as a notebook or desktop replacement. It aspires to be that but generally is a rather lousy notebook/desktop substitute. The iPad has no such delusions of grandeur. It is designed to do a specific set of tasks but does them exceptionally well. There are particular tasks that a netbook, even a lousy, cheap one can handle whereas the iPad simply can't. Clearly, in those instances, one would choose a netbook over the iPad. But then you have people who have purchased a netbook to perform tasks to which the iPad is perfectly suited. For those potential customers, the iPad does represent an appealing alternative.

In terms of Apple's bottom line the iPad is a great addition because it doesn't replace a pocketable device like the iPhone or the Touch. Also, it doesn't replace a full-function computer be it a desktop or laptop. In fact, you pretty much have to have such a device to combine with the iPad to have a viable set-up. Apple can sell folks an iPhone and an iPad and a Macbook Pro or iMac or (in my case) a Mini. It's going to amount to additional revenue and additional opportunities to sell content.

Originally Posted by vmcc

Isn't marketing an awesome thing? I become sexier holding my new iPhone; isn't that right? I become sexier driving my Bentley GTS convertible, obviously. My new Nexus 1 makes my penis larger, or so I've been led to believe.
I find it humorous to see how Apple's hype machine has affected people. They're one of the best at it, and it shows in the iPad. I knew when Jobs called this thing 'Magical' that we were all in for a tsunami of BS coming our way.

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

[An iPad] cannot replace a netbook.

Originally Posted by Carmissimo

You make a valid point but there are settings in which the iPad could be used for note taking because a bluetooth keyboard or the dock/keyboard combo that Apple is offering will get around having to imput on a virtual keyboard. Journalists, for example (I used to be one of those) sitting up in a press box could easily set up an iPad to do their work. Anywhere that allows for the iPad to be propped up in front of you would allow for such a use and I do imagine that for firing off an e-mail, the iPad would do the trick even working off the virtual keyboard.

Not everyone who owns a netbook is a student taking lecture notes.

Also, the flaw of the netbook is that many folks think of it as a notebook or desktop replacement. It aspires to be that but generally is a rather lousy notebook/desktop substitute. The iPad has no such delusions of grandeur. It is designed to do a specific set of tasks but does them exceptionally well. There are particular tasks that a netbook, even a lousy, cheap one can handle whereas the iPad simply can't. Clearly, in those instances, one would choose a netbook over the iPad. But then you have people who have purchased a netbook to perform tasks to which the iPad is perfectly suited. For those potential customers, the iPad does represent an appealing alternative.

In terms of Apple's bottom line the iPad is a great addition because it doesn't replace a pocketable device like the iPhone or the Touch. Also, it doesn't replace a full-function computer be it a desktop or laptop. In fact, you pretty much have to have such a device to combine with the iPad to have a viable set-up. Apple can sell folks an iPhone and an iPad and a Macbook Pro or iMac or (in my case) a Mini. It's going to amount to additional revenue and additional opportunities to sell content.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

rooms. (Or maybe anywhere.)

That's the beauty of the iPad: it fills a need (or call it a desire if you want)

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

Modern netbooks have large keyboards. For example, the Dell Mini 10 has a keyboard which is 93% of the size of a "regular" keyboard, and others have keyboards which are even bigger.

Yes, crappy netbooks exist. But to ascribe "bad keyboard" to every product in the category based upon one's limited experience is to make a false generalization.

Originally Posted by Parkettpolitur

I agree. If I had a netbook, I would use it to take notes at university - there's no way I could use an iPad for that; I type much faster on a hardware QWERTY. The iPad is nice, but it won't serve as a netbook-replacement for anyone I know.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

Exactly, although I admit to using the term deliberately for the sake of humor

I see you you mention you are buying the iPad apps impulsively... so far I've been true to my Scottish ancestry on my mother's side and stuck with Free apps except for Pages. I wish Apple woud bring out an HD iDisk app and possibly a genuine Apple ARD client. Do you think the latter is likely?

BTW, Any of the for profit ones you particularly recommend so far?

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

Yes, in vanishingly small numbers, as I already said.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

Can you imagine the anti-iPad mocking from the PC fanboyz showing someone holding an iPad to their ear

Apple investors would not exactly love it if it cannibalized iPhone sales either! Of course it can use Skype and similar systems so it isn't totally without communications ability.

p.s. After three days now using it around the clock I haven't missed Flash yet!

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

Modern netbooks are very cool devices. Many are well-made and powerful. Do some research.
...
Aside from using a screen resolution that they were not made to display, a good-quality modern netbook will do exactly what you describe. They are as good as desktop computers were a few years ago.

Do some research. Look at the Asus and Dell netbooks.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

And a netbook.

Originally Posted by Josh.B.

Yes, in vanishingly small numbers, as I already said.

Originally Posted by solipsism

1) Scottish, eh? Me too. 3rd generation, from Edinburgh. PS: I don't know if you watch the new Dr. Who serials but the new one just started and the new companion is an attractive redhead from Scotland.

2) It's odd that Apple has updated their own 3rd-party apps. It makes me wonder if v4.0 will have these things included for the iPad. But still, that is likely at least a few months before going live so why not take a little time to at least give it the minimal Universal refresh. They also never had an iPhone optimized site for the very site for listing web apps. Sometimes they don't make much sense.

3a) So I can only recommend the $2 NG World Atlas app right now. That's it, really. I bought Star Walk for $5 but haven't tried it at night, but looks promising, I've bought several comics on the Marvel app (was never really into comics before now). Elements is great but I'm not if it's worth the $14. Scrabble is really cool and $10 is less than the physical board game probably costs but I have yet to play it, have just seen the video of it. I'm not a gamer but I played the Labyrinth 2 HD Lite and enjoyed it so much I then paid $7 for it, which i've played quite a bit.

3b) I still have no get IM client (using AIM) and no RSS reader (not a fan of NetNewsWire). There are a bunch of others but I can't recall them or haven't used them yet.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

Marketing is fascinating to be sure as is human psychology as it relates to it. I guess in the modern world where owning more cows or having a few extra neck rings doesn't cut it, marketing has found ways to touch the same primeval feelings of self worth.

I wonder which is more powerful; the desire to own an iPad created by marketing or the envy, anger and hate of some without an iPad that is generated?

Having said that I still am really enjoying my iPad and couldn't care less if anyone knows I have one or not.

Originally Posted by s4mb4

was it ever marketed to be a replacement for the iPhone???
that is a really a dumb complaint.

Originally Posted by vmcc

No, it will not replace a netbook.