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post #41 of 86
4/6/10 at 9:24pm
It would be nice to have it, but the article seems to be reading something into a document that might not actually be there. That said, sometimes clues to future capabilities are in cryptic statements like that.

I was just talking to someone today about the iPad, he was only recently aware of the product and seemed very eager to learn more. One of the first specific questions he asked about was printing, I could only tell him that I didn't think there was anything for iPad yet. I print maybe 10-20 pages a day, but haven't had the need or desire to print from the iPhone, and I haven't used or bought an iPad yet.

I think the best way to go about it is just like how the third parties are doing it, have a host computer handle the drivers, just wirelessly zap a standardized file (say, a PDF or EPS) to a computer running a service that sends it to the printer. Most printers don't have a standardized format, supporting only networked printers that offer PostScript support would leave most people out in the cold. Supporting Bluetooth printing would be nifty too, though those printers seem kind of rare. I certainly don't expect to buy another printer unless something breaks, something that would use what I already have would be best.
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post #42 of 86
4/6/10 at 10:12pm
I think Jobs thinks about printers the way he thinks about floppy drives, cd drives and dvd drives.
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post #43 of 86
4/6/10 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by alphajack7 View Post

I think Jobs thinks about printers the way he thinks about floppy drives, cd drives and dvd drives.

I'd be interested in seeing how many people use a printer outside of the office anymore. I haven't printed anything at home since my junior year of college. By senior year, everyone was using turnitin.com. \

Nothing gets printed out for work either; it's all sent through DOCX or PDF.
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post #44 of 86
4/7/10 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Not an omission at all, there are third party printing solutions already available - after all, isn't that what most printers currently rely on anyway (with the exception of CUPS drivers, again not developed by apple).

At least he did at one time. People seem to want to dismiss this all the time but Apple does a lot for the open source community.
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You can print from the iPad using any number of apps, some free, some very inexpensive.

That may be so but a system supported method would be better for everybody.

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post #45 of 86
4/7/10 at 2:55am
And did Apple already have print issues fixed, cured, understood, and just not have it working, so folks could make comments, and then be directed to the Apple web site to download up-grades.

Thus keeping them tuned to Apple, and DOWNLOADING stuff on a regular basis, thus keeping their minds and fingers tied to Apple?

Now Printing is no longer an issue, another 300,000 sold But now this doesn't work fix it, have a download, sell another 300,000 once that fixed.

Offer iSight, (with a small bug) sell another 300,000 fix the bug, sell another 300,000, all the while Apple is in our minds, work places, the news and it's all folks are talking about - and yes, this is all FREE advertising for Apple and Mr. Jobs.

I'm just saying

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post #46 of 86
4/7/10 at 3:04am
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And did Apple already have print issues fixed, cured, understood, and just not have it working, so folks could make comments, and then be directed to the Apple web site to download up-grades.

Thus keeping them tuned to Apple, and DOWNLOADING stuff on a regular basis, thus keeping their minds and fingers tied to Apple?

Now Printing is no longer an issue, another 300,000 sold But now this doesn't work fix it, have a download, sell another 300,000 once that fixed.

Offer iSight, (with a small bug) sell another 300,000 fix the bug, sell another 300,000, all the while Apple is in our minds, work places, the news and it's all folks are talking about - and yes, this is all FREE advertising for Apple and Mr. Jobs.

I'm just saying

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post #47 of 86
4/7/10 at 4:34am
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I'd be interested in seeing how many people use a printer outside of the office anymore. I haven't printed anything at home since my junior year of college. By senior year, everyone was using turnitin.com. \

Nothing gets printed out for work either; it's all sent through DOCX or PDF.

You're undoubtedly the exception. The information I've seen is that paper printing has not declined at all, on average.

I certainly print a great deal. Now that I've found some printers that don't suck ink too badly, I print even more.

On the iPhone, I never had a desire to print anything. On my Mac - always. It will be interesting to see where the iPad fits in, but I suspect that I'll be printing quite a bit.

I'll be glad if the rumor is true and there is native printing rather than having to go through a third party app or email the files to my Mac.
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post #48 of 86
4/7/10 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

What's that old saying, 'The only stupid question is the one that is not asked.' or is it 'There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers!' and since I am not a developer and would be of no help answering any computer question with the slightest degree of technicality, I'll save my stupid answer to myself.

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post #49 of 86
4/7/10 at 4:49am
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My first thought when I saw Apple had added the ability for iPhone apps to create PDFs in OS 3.2 was that it'd be great for printing, in that a printer manufacturer could create a PDF printing app or at the very least I can just mail the PDF for anyone to print!

Of course, the iWork apps for iPad uses the PDF support as an export option, but still, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDF support turned out to be key to printing.

I would suspect you are correct. My money is on the same scenario.
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post #50 of 86
4/7/10 at 4:54am
When I purchased the Numbers and Keynote for my iPad I was expecting to be able to import Excel and PowerPoint files from my Windows desktop, work on them from my iPad, enhance them with that Apple elegance and export them back to my desktop.

What a disappointment it was to discover Numbers and Keynote for iPad can only export files as a PDF or in the native Numbers or Keynote format. Such is not the case in the iMac version of those products. The Pages app for iPad offers the ability to export files in a Word format.

For those of us who planned to use the iPad as a business tool, dumbing-down the export feature is a real turn-off and really restricts serious business use of these apps.

It may be a mistake that limits iPad sales in a world where talking back and forth in Excel and PowerPoint has become the standard.

As an iPad owner and an Apple share-holder, I sure hope that Apple techies are working on updates to fix this deficiency - quickly.
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post #51 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:09am
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I'd be interested in seeing how many people use a printer outside of the office anymore. I haven't printed anything at home since my junior year of college. By senior year, everyone was using turnitin.com. \

Nothing gets printed out for work either; it's all sent through DOCX or PDF.

Makes sense. I don't do much printing outside of work. But I would need printing if I bought an iPad, work is the main way I justify buying a lot of things these days.
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post #52 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:09am
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When I purchased the Numbers and Keynote for my iPad I was expecting to be able to import Excel and PowerPoint files from my Windows desktop, work on them from my iPad, enhance them with that Apple elegance and export them back to my desktop.

What a disappointment it was to discover Numbers and Keynote for iPad can only export files as a PDF or in the native Numbers or Keynote format. Such is not the case in the iMac version of those products. The Pages app for iPad offers the ability to export files in a Word format.

For those of us who planned to use the iPad as a business tool, dumbing-down the export feature is a real turn-off and really restricts serious business use of these apps.

It may be a mistake that limits iPad sales in a world where talking back and forth in Excel and PowerPoint has become the standard.

As an iPad owner and an Apple share-holder, I sure hope that Apple techies are working on updates to fix this deficiency - quickly.

Next time prepare homework before buying.
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post #53 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by hsiegelman

When I purchased the Numbers and Keynote for my iPad I was expecting to be able to import Excel and PowerPoint files from my Windows desktop, work on them from my iPad, enhance them with that Apple elegance and export them back to my desktop.

What a disappointment it was to discover Numbers and Keynote for iPad can only export files as a PDF or in the native Numbers or Keynote format. Such is not the case in the iMac version of those products. The Pages app for iPad offers the ability to export files in a Word format.

For those of us who planned to use the iPad as a business tool, dumbing-down the export feature is a real turn-off and really restricts serious business use of these apps.

It may be a mistake that limits iPad sales in a world where talking back and forth in Excel and PowerPoint has become the standard.

As an iPad owner and an Apple share-holder, I sure hope that Apple techies are working on http://forums.appleinsider.com/image...ote.gifupdates to fix this deficiency - quickly.

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Next time prepare homework before buying.

Indeed.

And you presumably wanted/expected all the features of iWork for the Mac which costs $79 but to only pay the iPad version price of $29.97?
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post #54 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:44am
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Originally Posted by hsiegelman View Post

When I purchased the Numbers and Keynote for my iPad I was expecting to be able to import Excel and PowerPoint files from my Windows desktop, work on them from my iPad, enhance them with that Apple elegance and export them back to my desktop.

What a disappointment it was to discover Numbers and Keynote for iPad can only export files as a PDF or in the native Numbers or Keynote format. Such is not the case in the iMac version of those products. The Pages app for iPad offers the ability to export files in a Word format.

For those of us who planned to use the iPad as a business tool, dumbing-down the export feature is a real turn-off and really restricts serious business use of these apps.

It may be a mistake that limits iPad sales in a world where talking back and forth in Excel and PowerPoint has become the standard.

As an iPad owner and an Apple share-holder, I sure hope that Apple techies are working on updates to fix this deficiency - quickly.

(I am still waiting for my 3G version.) I have to agree with you wholeheartedly. It is a half-assed, lame implementation. Should have been a no-brainer to do this.

Perhaps we'll get MS Office for the iPad, and it will be moot.

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post #55 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:45am
I honestly have never clicked on an ad intentionally in my entire life. If I want cool applications similar to ones I already have, I do a Google search or read sites like this one. With that said, I hope others see the value of ads so We all can keep reading free sites like this one.

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I'm particularly excited about iAd myself. Think about this: a running ad bar service is that is on the top or bottom of the iDevice (lord knows that there's plenty of space on the iPad), constantly letting you know about other apps that are similar to ones you've bought previously. That's pretty cool.

You could take it further and have the entire background have 3-D ads, kind of like the city in Blade Runner or MInority Report. It would be like having the future RIGHT IN YOUR HANDS.

And then I suppose you could take it even further by looking at that giant app database, or your 3G cellphone data tower, or whatever, and start putting in regular click ads into the mix that are targeted specifically to you based on your demographics. No more having stupid mortgage ads constantly pop up on web pages that don't interest me! Just like Minority Report, again.

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post #56 of 86
4/7/10 at 5:47am
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Indeed.

And you presumably wanted/expected all the features of iWork for the Mac which costs $79 but to only pay the iPad version price of $29.97?

C'mon. You're being fatuous. (i) It is highly unlikely that someone only has iWork on the iPad and not on their Mac; (ii) The feature that he is asking for is rather basic and obvious. (It's not like he's asking for printing, for instance).
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post #57 of 86
4/7/10 at 6:16am
Great news if true.
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post #58 of 86
4/7/10 at 6:25am
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My first thought when I saw Apple had added the ability for iPhone apps to create PDFs in OS 3.2 was that it'd be great for printing, in that a printer manufacturer could create a PDF printing app or at the very least I can just mail the PDF for anyone to print!

When Macs share printers, they just require a postscript (or pdf?) driver on the machine printing to them. So no need for print drivers on the iPad at all if printing to Macs.

But.. there are lots of Windows machines. Perhaps Bonjour printing on Windows could accept a pdf from the iPad and print it from the Windows machine?

Also - my father bought a great wifi-based Canon all-in-one a month ago. It'd be good to print to that without a middle-man. The canon also scans documents straight into pdfs on Macs or Windows, quite a nice feature for an iPad. Lastly if I put my camera's SD card into the Canon printer it appears on my desktop as a drive.
...... A canon-iPad link could be VERY interesting but would certainly need driver support.
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post #59 of 86
4/7/10 at 8:52am
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It's a good service, lots of users like it.

But at $100/year, the breadth of services offered by MobileMe are without peer.

This. My boss started drop box for all employees and it's very inefficient for what we do. I've been trying to come up with a proposal for switching him to MobileMe.
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post #60 of 86
4/7/10 at 9:18am
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Makes sense. I don't do much printing outside of work. But I would need printing if I bought an iPad, work is the main way I justify buying a lot of things these days.

Now that wouldn't have anything to do with current tax laws, would it?
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post #61 of 86
4/7/10 at 9:35am
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Any Bluetooth keyboard will work. This has been tested and confirmed with logitech and Microsoft keyboards. If it's Bluetooth, it should work.

Thanks for the info. Great news.
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post #62 of 86
4/7/10 at 10:03am
Mostly I just print shipping labels and the kids homework. Itigjt be true that I don't really print much anymore.
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post #63 of 86
4/7/10 at 10:17am
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Now that wouldn't have anything to do with current tax laws, would it?

It helps. I try to make sure what I buy helps my productivity in some way.
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post #64 of 86
4/7/10 at 11:13am
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I've got a program that prints from my iPhone. There is a new version for the iPad as well. It's actually a Universal version. It does a lot more than print.

It's called PrintCentral. Yes, it costs, $9.99. They have simpler, cheaper versions as well. But this really works well.

But it's not DIRECT printing, is it? Isn't it going through your computer?

The only (iPad) app I know of that boasts direct printing is Fax Print & Share, and judging from the 21 one star reviews (out of 21 reviews), it does not work.
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post #65 of 86
4/7/10 at 11:20am
Someone explain to me when anyone would need to print from the iPad, when a printer is present, that a computer is not?

This is a purely fictional scenario.

The only printing I ever do is from my Mac to my printer. Period. If I type something up on my iPad there are a multitude of easy ways including wireless that get the file onto my Mac for printing.

What you all want is someway to print to any printer, wirelessly, when no computer is present, which is an unimaginable scenario, and unrealistic for the majority of printers out there.
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post #66 of 86
4/7/10 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by hsiegelman View Post

When I purchased the Numbers and Keynote for my iPad I was expecting to be able to import Excel and PowerPoint files from my Windows desktop, work on them from my iPad, enhance them with that Apple elegance and export them back to my desktop.

What a disappointment it was to discover Numbers and Keynote for iPad can only export files as a PDF or in the native Numbers or Keynote format. Such is not the case in the iMac version of those products. The Pages app for iPad offers the ability to export files in a Word format.

For those of us who planned to use the iPad as a business tool, dumbing-down the export feature is a real turn-off and really restricts serious business use of these apps.

It may be a mistake that limits iPad sales in a world where talking back and forth in Excel and PowerPoint has become the standard.

As an iPad owner and an Apple share-holder, I sure hope that Apple techies are working on updates to fix this deficiency - quickly.

It seems to me that people are forgetting that this isa first generation device, with a first generation OS update. The same thing is true for the programs offered. The fact that there are a number of third party programs available that allow sharing files, network printing wirelessly or wired, even over 3G, shows that this is easily done.

This sounds like the situation when the iPhone first came out, and look at where it is now.

I think we should wait until tomorrow to see what 4.0 offers before we get too involved in what is offered now.
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post #67 of 86
4/7/10 at 2:07pm
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But it's not DIRECT printing, is it? Isn't it going through your computer?

The only (iPad) app I know of that boasts direct printing is Fax Print & Share, and judging from the 21 one star reviews (out of 21 reviews), it does not work.

So? If you're going to want to move files from your computer to the iPad and visa versa, as so many here want to do, you're going to need the network connection anyway. It uses WiFi, wired connections, and even 3G.

There's no reason that I can see so far that says that it can't print directly. Hp has had a program out for quite a while for the iPhone/Touch that allows printing directly to any of their printers that have wiFi built-in. I imagine this program will do that as well, though all my printers are network connected so I can't try it myself.

I also see no reason why printing to a USB equipped device isn't possible. Someone just has to write an app for that.
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post #68 of 86
4/7/10 at 3:04pm
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Someone explain to me when anyone would need to print from the iPad, when a printer is present, that a computer is not?

This is a purely fictional scenario.

The only printing I ever do is from my Mac to my printer. Period. If I type something up on my iPad there are a multitude of easy ways including wireless that get the file onto my Mac for printing.

What you all want is someway to print to any printer, wirelessly, when no computer is present, which is an unimaginable scenario, and unrealistic for the majority of printers out there.

Why is that unimaginable?

For example, I expect that I'll use my iPad for at least 90% of my home browsing - and only turn my main computer on occasionally. Why should I have to turn it on to print? All of my printers are networked and the main one has wireless.

Or perhaps someone has an iPad which they use when traveling. When they want to print something, it would be a lot more convenient to go to the hotel business center and print than messing around with gaining access to the business center's computers and installing whatever software you need to transfer the iPad file to the printer.

I can picture lots of times when printing directly from the iPad would be useful. Maybe you just have a limited imagination.
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post #69 of 86
4/7/10 at 3:10pm
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duh

If that's a printer, this must be a time clock



Everyone knew when you punched-out early... The whole building shook!
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4/7/10 at 3:17pm
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C'mon. You're being fatuous. (i) It is highly unlikely that someone only has iWork on the iPad and not on their Mac; (ii) The feature that he is asking for is rather basic and obvious. (It's not like he's asking for printing, for instance).

I want Bezier curve drawing and shape masking in Pages... There is a Bezier app on the iPhone, so it can be done!

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post #71 of 86
4/7/10 at 3:19pm
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If that's a printer, this must be a time clock

A little bit smaller please.
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post #72 of 86
4/7/10 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I want Bezier curve drawing and shape masking in Pages... There is a Bezier app on the iPhone, so it can be done!

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We might get that.

With all the desires being stated here, on this very new device, people seem to be forgetting that it is a very new device. It's been out all of5 days, and most apps were written, and distributed without the developers even had one in their hands.

Geez, people, give it some time!
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4/7/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

We might get that.

With all the desires being stated here, on this very new device, people seem to be forgetting that it is a very new device. It's been out all of5 days, and most apps were written, and distributed without the developers even had one in their hands.

Geez, people, give it some time!

I agree with that... There are a lot of voids and things that need to be fleshed out. I suspect that the iWork apps are "markers" to signal the potential uses of the device, and stake out a minum territory.

I also expect some of the iLife capabilities to be available in the iPad.

Apple may be waiting for some of the OS capabilities that will be announced tomorrow.

It will be interesting to see if there is potential to use the iPad as a tablet accessory to a Mac...

... Oh, I just snuck in another one

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4/7/10 at 4:17pm
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A little bit smaller please.

Sorry... I didn't know that this was a problem. I will resize images in future posts.

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4/7/10 at 4:18pm
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Sorry... I didn't know that this was a problem. I will resize images in future posts.

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You could always make this one and the next large image a link so you don't have to go to the trouble of resizing them.
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post #76 of 86
4/7/10 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I agree with that... There are a lot of voids and things that need to be fleshed out. I suspect that the iWork apps are "markers" to signal the potential uses of the device, and stake out a minum territory.

I also expect some of the iLife capabilities to be available in the iPad.

Apple may be waiting for some of the OS capabilities that will be announced tomorrow.

It will be interesting to see if there is potential to use the iPad as a tablet accessory to a Mac...

... Oh, I just snuck in another one

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A lot of us would like to use it for that. In fact, when I told my daughter, the photography major, that Apple was coming out with a tablet, that's exactly what she thought I meant.
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4/7/10 at 4:21pm
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Sorry... I didn't know that this was a problem. I will resize images in future posts.

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It's not a real problem, just clumsy.
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4/7/10 at 4:22pm
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It's not a real problem, just clumsy.

Better now.

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4/7/10 at 4:23pm
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Better now.

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Much better. Thanks.
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4/7/10 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

A lot of us would like to use it for that. In fact, when I told my daughter, the photography major, that Apple was coming out with a tablet, that's exactly what she thought I meant.

Yeah, I can envision sitting on the couch, iPad in lap, WiFi connected to the new Mac Mini, running PS or a new Motion... And using the large screen HDTV as a display.

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