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post #41 of 57
4/7/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

Are you sure you are typical?

I seem to remember that many early adopters were angry when the price of the iPhone dropped radically soon after it had been introduced.

Am I incorrect?

As a class? Were they marching on Cupertino with pitchforks and torches? You can find someone complaining about nearly anything -- and if you need any evidence for that proposition, just pick any random thread here. Anybody who buys technology and doesn't expect it to become more powerful and cheaper, simply hasn't been awake for the past thirty years.

The best time to buy any technology is tomorrow. Follow this advice every day, to the letter, and you will never be disappointed or upset.
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post #42 of 57
4/7/10 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Xbox and Zune, for a start. In fact it would be a challenge to name any product outside of software where Microsoft has made a profit at the start, or even a long way down the road in some instances. Apple has never been granted that sort of luxury.

Many companies sell hardware at a loss if their goal is the make money on their software. Using the Xbox as an example they could care less about the hardware when they are selling games for 60.00. Microsoft makes the same profit on software that Apple does on hardware they are both around 24% net.
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post #43 of 57
4/7/10 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

As a class? Were they marching on Cupertino with pitchforks and torches? You can find someone complaining about nearly anything -- and if you need any evidence for that proposition, just pick any random thread here. Anybody who buys technology and doesn't expect it to become more powerful and cheaper, simply hasn't been awake for the past thirty years.

The best time to buy any technology is tomorrow. Follow this advice every day, to the letter, and you will never be disappointed or upset.

Pretty close to pitchforks at least for Apple fanboys which is why Apple offered a 100.00 in store rebate. Which was still a ripoff but it made it less painful for the fools. Same will happen with the iPad, I uses one today for about 2 hours, after 2 mins I forgot I wasn't using an iPod Touch.
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post #44 of 57
4/7/10 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyok View Post

Rarely do bloggers mention the R&D (which you did) or other obscure concepts like marketing, distribution, and that evil word - profit.

The reason why they don't mention is because it's hard to estimate those numbers per product. The only thing the outsider has is visibility into the BOM and a typical estimated manufacturing cost.

Apple, like other companies, does not provide complete breakout of its costs for any given SKU. It makes no sense because it would give a competitive advantage to others. Apple discloses R&D and SG&A as operating expenses as a whole for the company in their financial statements.
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post #45 of 57
4/7/10 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

I seem to remember that many early adopters were angry when the price of the iPhone dropped radically soon after it had been introduced.

Define many.

You are aware that the iPhone has consistently had the best customer satisfaction in the cell phone industry for several years? Right?

Do you need links? More than happy to help a troll.
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post #46 of 57
4/7/10 at 7:46pm
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Many companies sell hardware at a loss if their goal is the make money on their software. Using the Xbox as an example they could care less about the hardware when they are selling games for 60.00. Microsoft makes the same profit on software that Apple does on hardware they are both around 24% net.

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post #47 of 57
4/7/10 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

I have no idea of what you mean by this question. I think I said something like "many early adopters". I don't know if it was "as a class" or even what that might look like.

Many people believe the Earth is flat. Is it?

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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

Yeah - the $100 rebate is what I remembered.

Millmoss - why did you deny this?

I don't "deny" anything, except that I am from Mars. If you said that, I'd deny it.
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post #48 of 57
4/7/10 at 7:58pm
I wandered into this thread, and guess what!?

Josh.B. and extremeskater are getting into fights again, in yet another thread. And, over the constantly negative stuff they keep spewing like toxic sludge. I am waiting for tulkas to show up, and complete the trio.

Now, isn't that great..... what a hoot!

Way to go, AI!

Yawn....... bye.....

PS: Good luck, Doc. Have fun with these losers.
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post #49 of 57
4/7/10 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Many people believe the Earth is flat. Is it?
I don't "deny" anything, except that I am from Mars. If you said that, I'd deny it.

Doc M. not worth your time arguing with JB just a waste of time. I don't have an Ignore List (IL) for not.

16/64 responses or 25% of the responses on this thread alone.
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post #50 of 57
4/7/10 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


Josh.B. and extremeskater ........ keep spewing like toxic sludge. .....

PS: Good luck, Doc. Have fun with these losers.

IL isn't only the US Postal code of Illinios, the Land of Linclon, also can mean Ignore List land of Ignored Trolls .
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post #51 of 57
4/7/10 at 9:29pm
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Doc M. not worth your time arguing with JB just a waste of time. I don't have an Ignore List (IL) for not.

16/64 responses or 25% of the responses on this thread alone.

And it's just iGenius under yet another alias trolling for attention. I thought multiple aliases were against the forum rules.
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post #52 of 57
4/7/10 at 10:03pm
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And it's just iGenius under yet another alias trolling for attention. I thought multiple aliases were against the forum rules.

You can let the moderators worry about the forum rules thats why we have moderators.
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post #53 of 57
4/8/10 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

The reason why they don't mention is because it's hard to estimate those numbers per product. The only thing the outsider has is visibility into the BOM and a typical estimated manufacturing cost.

Apple, like other companies, does not provide complete breakout of its costs for any given SKU. It makes no sense because it would give a competitive advantage to others. Apple discloses R&D and SG&A as operating expenses as a whole for the company in their financial statements.

And one can use the AVERAGE R&D and SG&A expenses for at least a rough estimate. If the average R&D cost is 7% of sales, and you use 7% as the number for any given product, that's likely to be closer than using zero.

Although it's not clear to me why it matters. if I decide that an iPad is worth $499 to me, I'm going to buy it - regardless of whether Apple's margin is 50% or 5%. Margins mean nothing to consumers (except that, in the long run, high margins mean a healthy company that will likely be around to support them in the future and create new products).

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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

Yeah - the $100 rebate is what I remembered.

Millmoss - why did you deny this?

Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.

I don't know if I'm typical or not, but I bought the original iPhone on day 1. I wasn't the least bit unhappy with my purchase even when Apple dropped the price. It was worth $600 to me and I was happy to pay it. The fact that the price dropped later had no impact on whether that was a good purchase or not. It simply meant that when I replaced it, it would cost less.

Your statement that millions of people were unhappy with the price drop is completely unfounded. You can't just pull numbers out of your rear and expect people to believe them.
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post #54 of 57
4/8/10 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by Tofino View Post

not unless it were a game console...

Okay, fair enough. However, there is the old journalistic axiom that 'Dog Bites Man' is not a story, whereas 'Man Bites Dog!' is!
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post #55 of 57
4/8/10 at 5:41am
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

Enough so that their unhappiness became national news, and enough to inspire Apple to institute a special refund/discount program for them.

Fair enough?

If they're so unhappy why does Apple have the highest customer satisfaction of the cell phone makers?
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post #56 of 57
4/8/10 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Actually, the original iPhone had sold considerably under 1 million units at the time the rebate is announced, so there couldn't have been millions of people complaining.

Apple announced it sold in its 1 millionth iPhone after 74 days, on September 10th. Apple dropped the price to $400 on September 5th, just five days prior. Sure, there was a rush in those 5 days but to say it was considerably under 1M is a stretch.
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post #57 of 57
4/8/10 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

If they're so unhappy why does Apple have the highest customer satisfaction of the cell phone makers?

Because he's iGenius trolling under yet another alias.
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