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Palm this week parted ways with the ad agency that produced its widely panned advertising campaign for the Pre smartphone. And U.S. wireless carrier T-Mobile is offering up to $350 for iPhone trade-ins for new customers who switch to the HTC HD2.

Palm, Modernista split

According to Advertising Age, Palm has severed ties with its ad agency, Modernista, and is already talking with other companies about taking over for promotion of its line of WebOS-powered smartphones. Modernista was responsible for the Pre's television commercials since the device launched last year.

The advertising campaign featuring a pale woman showing off the features of Palm's handset was ridiculed on the Internet as "creepy" and "unsettling" by some.

As its advertising campaign fell flat, sales of the Pre and Pixi smartphones were very soft, even with the addition of Verizon Wireless as an official carrier. The Pre Plus and Pixi Plus are available exclusively through Verizon. Palm also has plans to offer two WebOS devices on AT&T's network at some point this year.

Advertising Age noted that Modernista, who represents the National Park Foundation and TIAA-CREF, has fallen on hard times recently.

"This is yet another major setback for Modernista, which lost its biggest account, General Motors' Cadillac brand, late last year," the report said. "Since the carmaker shifted its account to Publicis-backed BBH, New York, Modernista has been forced to cut staff, and in December shuttered its three-year old Amsterdam office."



T-Mobile tries to entice iPhone owners to switch

As revealed by TmoNews, participating T-Mobile dealers are offering as much as $350 towards the purchase of an HTC HD2 through May 19 for iPhone owners who agree to trade in their handset. If the phone is in working condition, it will be eligible for at least $100 in credit towards the purchase of HTC's new big-screen handset powered by Windows Mobile.

The HD2 was specifically cited in Apple's lawsuit against HTC, filed in early March. Apple has accused the Taiwanese smartphone maker of violating 20 iPhone related patents. Though most of the accused handsets run Google Android, some Windows Mobile phones, including the HD2, were named by Apple for their use of hardware decoders.

As T-Mobile hopes to court some iPhone owners, some have speculated that Apple could make its handset available on the carrier's network this year. A potential jump to T-Mobile, even though it is the smallest of the four major wireless carriers in the U.S., would be a simple move for Apple because both AT&T and T-Mobile operate GSM networks. Though T-Mobile's high-speed 3G connectivity operates on a unique 1700MHz spectrum that is incompatible with the current iPhone, the addition of that frequency to a future hardware model would be much simpler than adding compatibility with Verizon or Sprint's CDMA networks.
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About time. Those ads were absolutely horrific.
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Wow. $350? My take on it that they see little opportunity to sell these phones otherwise. It appears that they can't even give them away for free! Instead, they have to pay people to take them.

And I wonder where they will sell those used iPhones. Do they have a deal to sell them overseas?

The HD2 has been sold out everywhere it's offered...

I imagine they'd just crunch the iphones into parts for recycling.
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Palm has severed ties with its ad agency, Modernista

Is that why the stock jumped yesterday?

Like a desperate lunge for the rim as it slowly circles the flushing bowl of bankruptcy?
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These art house style ads may get rave reviews from the more pretentious ad industry critics but they don't sell product. This lesson was learned long ago when Infiniti came out with those stupid tree-in-a-meadow ads. Apparently the folks over at Palm were playing hooky when the topic was covered in class. How much of their scarce capital did Palm blow on that feckless ad campaign? They could have asked any of us whether those ads were effective and we'd give them the right answer for a thousandth of their ad budget.
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Golly gosh.

Where can I stand in line for this? NOT!
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t-Mobile should really worry about either supporting the 3G frequency the iPhone uses or getting Apple to support their frequency and start selling them unlocked.
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Good luck with that. Hahaha
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Good luck with that. Hahaha

Very true. Being a US consumer is all about being owned by a corporation.
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You can't cover up the Pre's problems with a white girl. That Pre commercial could be taken subliminally to consumers as Palm turning it's back on customers with that model turning her back to the camera.

iPhone ads are successful because they showcase the product, not a model or any cheesy special effects..
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I always liked those rather ethereal Pre ads. Creepy? I don't see why.

It's Palm's phone I didn't want, not their ads. And whatever the feeling about those ads, there were millions of other people who don't want the Pre either. Ultimately it's all about the product.
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kind of old news already but whatever.

One question that I had though is what does TMobile do with the iphones?

Also, it's about time Palm dumped that stupid ad agency. Pre users have even taken it upon themselves to make homemade commercials because the Pre ads were so horrible.

With better advertising, the Pre would be doing much better. It's a very capable device, and WebOS is proving to be a great platform.
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Wow. $350? My take on it that they see little opportunity to sell these phones otherwise. It appears that they can't even give them away for free! Instead, they have to pay people to take them.

They aren't paying people to take the phones, they are paying iphone users. If TMobile payed me to use the HD2, I would.

My issue with TMobile is coverage. Their customer support was AMAZING, but coverage was bad. I had heard rumors, however, that places in new york city see upwards of about 10mbps download speed on tmobile's network with the HD2, so if I lived there I'd have one lol.

The HD2 rocks. It just needs to be on all the networks to do well, like the TP2.
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Is that why the stock jumped yesterday?

Like a desperate lunge for the rim as it slowly circles the flushing bowl of bankruptcy?

Actually it jumped because of rumors that Lenovo intends to buy them... The heavy sales activity starting almost ahead of the rumor is a bit fishy though. Something is rotten there.
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The phone itself is incredible. The OS is a lame duck, however.

I think the phone is already at end of life and is running an older version of Windoze. When WinCrap 7.0 is released this phone will be obsolete.
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If I was still living in USA and actually this applies to India, there are too many different variations of the HTC phone in the market and as soon as one carrier releases a version, another comes and it is suppose to be better or offer different features. I am not talking upgrade model, but basically the same phone marketed by different carrier or company, but it is basically the same phone.

i will stick with my iPhone 3GS until another company can match simplicity and overall functionality, I am not bitting at these deals anytime.
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The advertising campaign featuring a pale woman showing off the features of Palm's handset was ridiculed on the Internet as "creepy" and "unsettling" by some.

She was probably the girlfriend of someone at the ad agency... keep that money "in house"

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You can't cover up the Pre's problems with a white girl.

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If the [iPhone] is in working condition, it will be eligible for at least $100 in credit towards the purchase of HTC's new big-screen handset powered by Windows Mobile.

LOL! Good luck with that one. Trade in an iPhone for a Windows Mobile device? Never going to to happen. If you gave me the phone and service free for a year I don't think I'd trade in an iPhone for Windows Mobile.
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Is that why the stock jumped yesterday?

Like a desperate lunge for the rim as it slowly circles the flushing bowl of bankruptcy?

It jumped 20% today. Some people say it jumped because of rumours of a Lenovo takeover bid.
I think its because they finally trashed Creepy Chick.
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You can't cover up the Pre's problems with a white girl. That Pre commercial could be taken subliminally to consumers as Palm turning it's back on customers with that model turning her back to the camera.

iPhone ads are successful because they showcase the product, not a model or any cheesy special effects..

I could not agree more !!!

And so true also for the "big bucket of " - unname and unshown - "does" ad, where they can only show small app icons from very far, and no actual content, as it just sucks...

Apple ads in contrast just show closeups of the actual product and software, in all its splendor !
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LOL! Good luck with that one. Trade in an iPhone for a Windows Mobile device? Never going to to happen. If you gave me the phone and service free for a year I don't think I'd trade in an iPhone for Windows Mobile.

The hardware itself kicks the everliving crap out of any iphone device. Kicks the crap out of any mobile phone actually.
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What a dumb commercial.
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What a godawful ad...these guys at the ad agency might have lost the account, but they didn't give the money back for sure .

But I guess that happens to palm because they lack an inside vision of how to market and advertise the product (which apple doesn't) and they rely on some morons from an ad agency to advertise it instead. Which of course is not the case with apple...

I am thinking of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by ms on shoe and other moronic ads... but they don't even have half decent products. Palm does, and the pre is a pretty nice phone if one is objective about it, shame it gets buried in such poor advertisement. And it will be a shame if palm goes under. I think they are one of those companies that actually foster competition and innovation instead of ripping others off or selling crapware...
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What a godawful ad...these guys at the ad agency might have lost the account, but they didn't give the money back for sure .

But I guess that happens to palm because they lack an inside vision of how to market and advertise the product (which apple doesn't) and they rely on some morons from an ad agency to advertise it instead. Which of course is not the case with apple...

I am thinking of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by ms on shoe and other moronic ads... but they don't even have half decent products. Palm does, and the pre is a pretty nice phone if one is objective about it, shame it gets buried in such poor advertisement. And it will be a shame if palm goes under. I think they are one of those companies that actually foster competition and innovation instead of ripping others off or selling crapware...
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These art house style ads may get rave reviews from the more pretentious ad industry critics but they don't sell product. This lesson was learned long ago when Infiniti came out with those stupid tree-in-a-meadow ads. Apparently the folks over at Palm were playing hooky when the topic was covered in class. How much of their scarce capital did Palm blow on that feckless ad campaign? They could have asked any of us whether those ads were effective and we'd give them the right answer for a thousandth of their ad budget.

I remember those infiniti ads...just terrible and allowed Lexus to take off and never look back.

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But I guess that happens to palm because they lack an inside vision of how to market and advertise the product (which apple doesn't) and they rely on some morons from an ad agency to advertise it instead. Which of course is not the case with apple...

Wrongo. Throughout most of its history Apple has relied on TBWA Chiat/Day in Los Angeles for its advertising. They're the guys who've created some of the most memorable campaigns in all of advertising, including the George Orwell-styled Super Bowl commercial in 1984 and the recent "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" series. The number of awards won for Apple advertising are almost too numerous to mention.

It takes two to tango. Corporate morons are equally responsible as agencies for off-target, boring and ineffective advertising. Conversely, the winners like Apple demonstrate a convergence of creative and management genius.

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Doh! I thought that T-Mowould give you $350 if you bring your unlocked iPhone to their network. I was about to jump on this offer, but I guess all it is is a call to trade an iPhone to an Android and there is no way I would do that at this point.
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Coverage is relative to where you are. I have an iPhone running on T-Mobile's network in Ann Arbor Michigan. The only time I experience dropped calls is when I am talking with my iPhone using body who is on AT&T. Any network is strong holds.

Further, T-Mobile has better customer service, and the rates are better, especially with the family plans. That doesn't mean I'd consider buying an HDs phone.

Apple really needs to be careful though. By not including companies like T-Mobile and maybe even Verizon (even though in my view Verizon is worst then AT&T), it is opening the door for companies using Android to take serious root. Everybody who was willing to jump ship has likely already done so. Some people are tied to certain networks regardless of what phone they use because their work provides discounts only on a certain network.

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They aren't paying people to take the phones, they are paying iphone users. If TMobile payed me to use the HD2, I would.

My issue with TMobile is coverage. Their customer support was AMAZING, but coverage was bad. I had heard rumors, however, that places in new york city see upwards of about 10mbps download speed on tmobile's network with the HD2, so if I lived there I'd have one lol.

The HD2 rocks. It just needs to be on all the networks to do well, like the TP2.
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And it will be a shame if palm goes under. I think they are one of those companies that actually foster competition and innovation instead of ripping others off or selling crapware...

You may be overlooking the USB ID spoofing to fool iTunes deal.
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It's worse than that, the HD2 is a WinMo phone.

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Doh! I thought that T-Mowould give you $350 if you bring your unlocked iPhone to their network. I was about to jump on this offer, but I guess all it is is a call to trade an iPhone to an Android and there is no way I would do that at this point.

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You should be comparing T-Mobile with AT&T iPhones with the 3G turned off, after all that is how you are using it with T-Mobile.

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Coverage is relative to where you are. I have an iPhone running on T-Mobile's network in Ann Arbor Michigan. The only time I experience dropped calls is when I am talking with my iPhone using body who is on AT&T. Any network is strong holds.

Further, T-Mobile has better customer service, and the rates are better, especially with the family plans. That doesn't mean I'd consider buying an HDs phone.

Apple really needs to be careful though. By not including companies like T-Mobile and maybe even Verizon (even though in my view Verizon is worst then AT&T), it is opening the door for companies using Android to take serious root. Everybody who was willing to jump ship has likely already done so. Some people are tied to certain networks regardless of what phone they use because their work provides discounts only on a certain network.

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And it will be a shame if palm goes under. I think they are one of those companies that actually foster competition and innovation instead of ripping others off or selling crapware...

You may be overlooking the USB ID spoofing to fool iTunes deal.

Didn't Palm also come up with WebOS mainly by poaching Apple engineers and execs?
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Did she say, "bing, bing, bing"?
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The phone itself is incredible. The OS is a lame duck, however.

Well it is and it isn't. See, it's always been said that windows mobile is clunky, and the ui simply wasn't designed for touch as well as say android or webos, but with the HD2 the clunkness is gone because of a 1ghz processor, and the UI is touch friendly since the screen is so large. Even the smallest most annoying buttons are now very easy to touch.

WM is a very capable OS, but it definitely is getting dated. I still like it, but I'm the first to admit it's downsides. I think MS is making a mistake with this windows phone 7, but what do I know? My response to wp7 is to go to Android, and I'm not alone.

Whenever someone sees me on my TP2 and asks about it, and the conversation starts leaning towards them getting it, I simply ask them what they want to do with a phone. The TP2 is like the ipad in that nobody can sell an ipad to you without knowing YOU first. It's not for everyone.
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You should be comparing T-Mobile with AT&T iPhones with the 3G turned off, after all that is how you are using it with T-Mobile.

Oh for real? I didn't know that. That blows.
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Did she say, "bing, bing, bing"?

That's exactly what I heard too.
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Probably a very wise move... the ads were rather bizarre to some.

Now they really need to get more people to try the Palm Pre, as it's the absolute benchmark for ease-of-use and smartphone ergonomics.

Additionally: Now that it comes with free WiFi Hot Spot capabilities, it's quite the compelling choice.
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Previously I had an original iPhone unlocked on T-Mobile (I even had it working with data--EDGE of course, as this was before the iPhone 3G). I got tired of fighting with Apple about who owned my phone, sold the iPhone, and got the T-Mobile/Google G1.

The G1 was an excellent phone out of the gate. I like the hardware keyboard, even at the expense of the additional weight. It is superior to the original iPhone but not the 3GS.

However, Google has simply not kept up with software updates for the phone. At the same time, all of their other carriers came out with their own UIs on newer phones, resulting in several different deployed versions of Android with several different custom, proprietary interfaces.

It is my understanding that Google is aware of this and is going to try to get all Android devices to version 2.1. However, the damage is done. By "open," Google means Android is open to cell companies--not to you and me. For proof of this, try installing a tethering app without getting "root" on your phone, or upgrading the OS to the latest version without hacks. (I thought "open" meant it was my phone...)

And so I've come full circle. At this point I want back the polish and consistency Apple brings with its walled garden. I'm just unwilling to switch to AT&T.
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Is that why the stock jumped yesterday?

Like a desperate lunge for the rim as it slowly circles the flushing bowl of bankruptcy?

Rumors were floated that Lenova was in discussions to buy Palm.
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However, Google has simply not kept up with software updates for the phone. At the same time, all of their other carriers came out with their own UIs on newer phones, resulting in several different deployed versions of Android with several different custom, proprietary interfaces.

It is my understanding that Google is aware of this and is going to try to get all Android devices to version 2.1. However, the damage is done. By "open," Google means Android is open to cell companies--not to you and me. For proof of this, try installing a tethering app without getting "root" on your phone, or upgrading the OS to the latest version without hacks. (I thought "open" meant it was my phone...)

And so I've come full circle. At this point I want back the polish and consistency Apple brings with its walled garden. I'm just unwilling to switch to AT&T.

While Google has been sitting Android 2.1 for awhile it's up to the vendors to make updates for the devices. Google's position now with the unfortunate (yet inevitable) fragmentation is to make the future of Android better at easily fitting more devices with features being drop in components. I don't know how well it will work, but at least it's something. Here are some interesting links about it...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/19284...mentation.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/07/n...date-in-sight/
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