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4/8/10 at 12:10pm
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I assure you, my pity is completely free.

You are a happy chap
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post #82 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:11pm
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Not a problem. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Actually, let it.

Well said, and may it be a very large door
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post #83 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:11pm
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Yes that is a good example, same with VLC and MPEG Stream Clip.

And open source oriented devs can still make free apps for the iPhone/iPad. It's a choice; any platform that forbid or made it really hard to do ad supported apps wouldn't have too many apps.
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post #84 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Sure... Just as it makes 'no sense' on some 95% of all modern touchscreen smartphones -

All it takes is one look at the iPhone (mock-up) in today's Apple KeyNote slides to see that the device's display is much more elongated than today's iPhone.

We'll See Soon Enough...

I think the elongation might have to do with projection from wide screen to standard. The problem with changing the screen size is that the existing apps will need to be redesigned for the new size. Apple will not tell developers of such thing well in advance.
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post #85 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:12pm
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Sure... Just as it makes 'no sense' on some 95% of all modern touchscreen smartphones -

All it takes is one look at the iPhone (mock-up) in today's Apple KeyNote slides to see that the device's display is much more elongated than today's iPhone.

We'll See Soon Enough...

I'd wager it's just an illusion. For starters, the OS update is for the 3:2 ratio 3G and 3GS iPhone, too,, so the OS update must conform to those dimensions. Second, Apple is super-secretive so they wouldn't display the ratio of the next iPhone HW in a Preview event for the iPhone OS months in advance.
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post #86 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:13pm
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I'm not sure about you, son, but my time is worth money. I get irritated when people steal it.

Or maybe the economy has changed?
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post #87 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by Malligator View Post

Or maybe you're just self-important jerk that thinks his time is worth more than anyone else's?

haha well spotted. Hypocrisy in the same thread.
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post #88 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:16pm
I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.
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post #89 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:17pm
Maybe the lack of news regarding iPad printing and file sharing is related to the delayed iPad release date....
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post #90 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:18pm
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The feelings is quite mutual...

NOW can we please resume the useful/pleasant conversation we were having without immature/off-topic interruptions from those with nothing constructive to post? Thanks

The feelings are quite mutual.
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post #91 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I'd wager it's just an illusion. For starters, the OS update is for the 3:2 ratio 3G and 3GS iPhone, too,, so the OS update must conform to those dimensions. Second, Apple is super-secretive so they wouldn't display the ratio of the next iPhone HW in a Preview event for the iPhone OS months in advance.

I'd agree and also add the iPhone screen is nicer for vertical web viewing precisely because it isn't 16:9. It would a retro step. They provide a choice of; fill screen with double tap for movies or letter-boxing. So a great compromise and typically wise choice by Apple.
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post #92 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:19pm
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I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.

I think it was shown in the presentation, but it wasn't easily or quickly translatable to a blog. I'm sure it will be explained on a website very soon.
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post #93 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I think the elongation might have to do with projection from wide screen to standard. The problem with changing the screen size is that the existing apps will need to be redesigned for the new size. Apple will not tell developers of such thing well in advance.

Well then I ask you this:

If the display if the mock-up suffers from this 'alleged' projector distortion, then why does the button on the bottom of the 'mock-up' appear to be perfectly round instead on distorting to an oval shape?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/l...t/90#c26956797

Like I said - We'll See Soon Enough...
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post #94 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:19pm
Android has a much larger percentage of 'free' apps. And it shows in their quality.
Lots of hobby-ware over there.
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post #95 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Cavallo View Post

Ads are ads. There is no such thing as 'more or less' annoying. Anyone with a brain should see them for the intrusion they are. If anything, the idea behind these ads is more evil than usual, since they'll be unavoidable, and better able to lull the user into thinking that something malevolent and coercive is actually personal and helpful.

Right now we have free apps with banner ads at the bottom. If you don't click them, nothing happens. If you do click them, you are taken out of the app and into safari.

With iAd we will have free apps with banner ads at the bottom. If you don't click them, nothing happens. If you do click them, you will remain in the app, but get interactive app like content that will in a lot of cases be useful. When you are done, simply click the x in the upper left hand corner and continue doing whatever you were doing in the app.

I don't know how anyone who actually paid attention and thought about what Apple presented could take iAd as a bad thing. Furthermore, I think iAd will present more value to advertisers and thus provide developers (and Apple) with more revenue, allowing for even more quality apps to be free.
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post #96 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.

Good point. Maybe the Home button quits the app as it does now, and some new gesture brings up the home screen?
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post #97 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:20pm
The lower cost 3G version of the iphone is made available so that folks who do not have mountains of disposable income can get in on the cool factor that is the iphone. The people who chose this model know what they are getting into & get what they are paying for.

You can't expect Apple to give away the farm to a lower cost device.
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post #98 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:20pm
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Or maybe you're just self-important jerk that thinks his time is worth more than anyone else's?

Wow, projecting much?
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post #99 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:21pm
All of those multitasking steps sound pretty smart to me. My Blackberry would be sweet to have those. Alas, its battery drains in one day. I must recharge every day and performance is slow with many apps on it.
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post #100 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.

You don't. All apps will be saved when you press home and are put in the multitasking dock doing nothing. If an app is using one of the multitasking APIs and need to do something in the background then it will be doing that thing. Other apps will be saved at last state so when you open then you will start were you left off (they are not running). However, you do have the option to "close" app that exist in the multitasking dock.
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post #101 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Yes that is a good example, same with VLC and MPEG Stream Clip.

If you are still using those apps, you might want to try Movist and VideoMonkey. They are newer and feel more native to Mac OS X.

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http://code.google.com/p/movist/
• http://videomonkey.org/Video_Monkey/About.html
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post #102 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

You don't. All apps will be saved when you press home and are put in the multitasking dock doing nothing. If an app is using one of the multitasking APIs and need to do something in the background then it will be doing that thing. Other apps will be saved at last state so when you open then you will start were you left off (they are not running). However, you do have the option to "close" app that exist in the multitasking dock.

But wouldn't this lead to having every single app eventually moving to the dock? I don't think we would want that. The default action should be to quit, as it is now.
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post #103 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by iGuessSo View Post

Good point. Maybe the Home button quits the app as it does now, and some new gesture brings up the home screen?

I think Jobs (or the other guy) was specifically asked how you quit an app and he said "You don't, we take care of that for you."
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post #104 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Well then I ask you this:

If the display if the mock-up suffers from this 'alleged' projector distortion, then why does the button on the bottom of the 'mock-up' appear to be perfectly round instead on distorting to an oval shape?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/l...t/90#c26956797

Like I said - We'll See Soon Enough...

Check the icons. The are all taller (they should be square). I just did.
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post #105 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

That sounds very cool.

Is there a flip side though? Does it mean that ONLY those functions with APIs can work in the background?

Yes, although it would be challenging to come up with a scenario where the provided API's would not be sufficient. If someone does come up with such a scenario, Apple could implement an API for it.
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post #106 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:27pm
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As though any one expects you to say anything different.

Sorry but we're entitled to our opinions lol. Listening to Steve Jobs say he did copy and paste better to a crowd of screaming fans is like listening to Sarah Palin say something else obviously absurd to her screaming fans. It's an abortion of reality.


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I always believed they were waiting to do it right. The others all rushed it just to be seen to have a better feature than iPhone. Few are lucky enough to own a magic phone like Chronster who can run ten apps on his multi-tasking phone with zero increase in power consumption.

You shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about. I never said it had zero increase in power consumption, but I am saying it's nowhere NEAR the amount Jobs would have you believe. Me and solipsism got into this and I loaded up a great deal of apps to run in the background all day as I used my phone with normal use. At the end of the day it had consumed just 10% more battery than I was used too, leaving me with 60% instead of 70. Does this sound like what Jobs has been saying to be true? Oh, wait, he's implemented true multitasking with zero increase in power consumption.

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You're right, it's different because it's the only one that works the same throughout the entire system regardless of the item of field. In other words, it's the only one that is complete. That a difference people tend to like over the half-assed versions on Android and WebOS.

In WM I use copy and paste a lot, whether in email or from web to email, or from web to navigation, or from navigation to text. It all works. I didn't know Android and WebOS had problems with such things...

You shouldn't listen to me though. It's not like I'm someone who's listening to Steve Jobs say these things about certain functions that have worked perfectly fine on my phone for a long while now lol
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post #107 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:27pm
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Android has a much larger percentage of 'free' apps. And it shows in their quality.
Lots of hobby-ware over there.

I do have to say that a lot of the "free" apps (minus the junk "sexy" apps that both App Store and Market have...) are quite nicely made. A lot of them are just as good as the paid apps in function and appearance. Only difference being that ad strip at the top or bottom.

If you use a site like AppBrain, it'll cut through the clutter and show you a massive list of all the best "free" apps out there.
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post #108 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:28pm
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But wouldn't this lead to having every single app eventually moving to the dock? I don't think we would want that. The default action should be to quit, as it is now.

Not the visible "dock". Background apps have their own dock that you can access by double pressing the Home button.
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post #109 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

Copy and paste in iphone isn't better, it's just different. While playing the ipad I played with the copy and paste feature and I did not like it.

HAHAHAHAHA!

yes, let's see how you really do it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLejYAbOxD4

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post #110 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:30pm
Am I the only one that doesn't understand how multitasking works on the iPhone? How do you launch an app and keep it running without quitting it? For example, if I launch the memo app, how do I keep it available so when I want to multitask - I can go back to it?
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post #111 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:31pm
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Not the visible "dock". Background apps have their own dock that you can access by double pressing the Home button.

I didn't catch all of the part where they were explaining this "other" dock. What is it's purpose other than to show what apps are still running?
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post #112 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:31pm
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I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.

It looked like it was all tied into the double press of the home button. They showed that a double press would bringup a springboard-like UI that would let you you change apps. It wasn't really clear if it would only allow you to switch to another 'running' app or to also launch a new app.

I was also not entirely clear if the double press was the trigger only for Fast App Switching or also for the other pseudo-multitasking services like GPS and music. I assume it would be, but it wasn't clear.

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post #113 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:34pm
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What a complete JOKE. I have been a loyal apple'ist for ages... but this is the final straw. SCREW IT

Great iPhone fragmentation just accelerates...
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post #114 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:35pm
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I didn't catch all of the part where they were explaining this "other" dock. What is it's purpose other than to show what apps are still running?

Well, they didn't call it a dock. I called it a dock because I didn't know what to call it! It shows up when you double press the Home button. It contains all the opened apps. It can hold more than four apps by the way.

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4/8/10 at 12:36pm
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4/8/10 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Well, they didn't call it a dock. I called it a dock because I didn't know what to call it! I shows up when you double press the Home button. It contains all the opened apps.

Right, but for what purpose? Is it to switch between them?
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4/8/10 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

I perked right up when Steve started in on battery life and sluggish performance. I thought the next guy was going to explain how they avoid it while multitasking. But he never went into it in any depth. Indeed, he never once mentioned those topics.

Maybe the message was implicit in the demos, but I'd appreciate it if somebody could explicate things.

Those apps that utilize Fast App Switching would be put into a paused state...essentially closed completely but with their state saved. So have multiple apps 'running' would be no additional resource draw than having a single app running...because only a single app is running.

For the other MT services, like VOIP, GPS and music, there probably will be some additional drain but far less than having full VOIP, GPS and music apps all open at the same time. Again, those apps close and an OS services handles their background processes, like playing music, receiving a call or tracking location.

I thought they did a pretty good job, with in the time constraints, of explaining why their implementation of multitasking would be less resource hungry. The single biggest being that it is not true multitasking in the traditional sense. It is a simulation of multitasking, which if done right, looks like a great balance between user needs and resource conservation.

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post #118 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:39pm
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I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.

Not exactly what you are asking, but:

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- Q: How do you close apps when multitasking? A: You don't have to. Jobs says that if you see task manager, you blew it. Users shouldn't have to think about it.
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post #119 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:39pm
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Right, but for what purpose? Is it to switch between them?

Yes. It used for "Fast Switching" as well.
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post #120 of 268
4/8/10 at 12:39pm
Im by no means "tech savvy" but after watching the blog i cant help but feel that there must still be a lot of un-announced features on OS 4.0 that would be related to the possible new hardware features of the next gen iphone (if indeed it is coming). Would this be a fair comment?

Also i have an iphone 3G and im in no way disappointed at the announcement that the 3G wont have multitasking. I fully know that the phone would grind to a halt. Anyway im more excited about the possible new hardware which will make any disappointment irrelevant and anyone who has a 3G or earlier should be due their upgrade anyway.

P.S Would you expect windows 7 to work on your 3 year old PC running XP?
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