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Less than 24 hours after Apple had revealed its preview of iPhone OS 4.0 and made it available to developers, hackers revealed they had successfully manage to run an unauthorized VNC client on the mobile operating system.

A hacker from the iPhone Dev Team who goes by the handle MuscleNerd uploaded on Friday a video of an iPhone 3GS running the iPhone OS 4 beta, as well as Veency, which is virtual network computing software available as an unauthorized application for the iPhone. To run software like Veency, an iPhone must be "jailbroken," which is the name given to a process that allows users to run unauthorized code on Apple's handset.

He noted via his Twitter account that Apple's pre-release betas are "very" buggy, and cautioned users not to test it on their own iPhone.

The hacker also took issue with Apple's claim made Thursday that hardware restrictions have prevented multitasking from being enabled on older iPhone hardware. In addition to existing unauthorized jailbreak solutions for multitasking, the hacking community has also released software to enable MMS functionality on the first-generation iPhone.

The latest development is by no means confirmation that any jailbreaking methods will work with iPhone OS 4.0 when it ships. It's likely that Apple will make changes to thwart those exploits before the software update is made available this summer.

It's also expected that Apple will build in new hardware security features in its next-generation iPhone, due to be announced this summer. Late last year, Apple became more aggressive against jailbreak attempts when it quietly updated the BootROM in the iPhone 3GS to thwart potential hackers. It marked the first time ever that the handset maker had modified its hardware in the middle of a product line, without a new model released.<



Earlier this week, MuscleNerd demoed a new jailbreak method that was said to work with Apple's iPad, iPhone 3GS and third-generation iPod touch. The software has not yet been released publicly, but could allow users of the latest hardware revision of the iPhone 3GS to unlock their handset for use on alternative carriers. There is no need to unlock the iPad, which does not ship with a carrier lock.

The warranty-voiding jailbreak process can also allow users to run software Apple does not allow. Hackers have created their own custom applications that Apple might not allow in the App Store. Jailbreaking can also be used to pirate App Store software, one major reason why Apple has fought the practice.

Apple currently has no plans to allow users to install third-party applications downloaded from outside it sanctioned App Store. On Thursday, Apple co-founder Steve Jobs cited an unsanctioned pornography store available for the Google Android platform as a reason to not support unsigned applications. "That's a place we don't want to go," Jobs said, "so we're not going to."
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I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?
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Why does AppleInsider and other news(?) sites give these bozos(hackers/script kiddies) the time of day? And what's with the name MuscleHead, I mean MuscleNerd? Am I cool or what? What a joke!!
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I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

Most of them are too cheap to buy software.
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

They are not trying to ruin anything., They are trying to make it better.
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

There's a few great programs that require jailbreaking to be able to use. It's not just for people who want to pirate software. I use:

- 5 icon dock (lets you put 5 icons on your iPhone dock)
- MiWi (lets you share your 3G internet connection with other devices)
- Poof (lets you hide unwanted app icons, even where Apple won't let you, like the stocks app)

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Originally Posted by freddych View Post

There's a few great programs that require jailbreaking to be able to use. It's not just for people who want to pirate software. I use:

- 5 icon dock (lets you put 5 icons on your iPhone dock)
- MiWi (lets you share your 3G internet connection with other devices)
- Poof (lets you hide unwanted app icons, even where Apple won't let you, like the stocks app)

Along with:

ProSwitch for on-the-fly app switching
Backgrounder - background tasks
iRealSMS - in-app texting
SBSettings - quick status bar access to most commonly used iPhone settings

And so many more apps that Apple won't approve but make using the iPhone so much easier and more efficient.
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Awesome, it's already available to download.
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Originally Posted by Arthur_Klok View Post

They are not trying to ruin anything., They are trying to make it better.

Bull. They're not trying to make squat better - they just want to "see if they can" because it's nothing but a challenge for them to try and prove themselves...
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There is obviously a problem if so many people jailbreak their Apple devices.

Lot of people are of the "Woz notion" that computers and devices should be open and obey the owner.

The "Jobs notion" is people are ignorant, their devices need to be closed and controlled by mother Apple.


I agree for some the Job's way is the right way, but for most others the Woz way is the better path as proven by the open nature of desktop PC's flooding the world.


My guess would be some sort of compromise, allowing advanced users more control over their devices, but not as detrimental as jail-breaking software and the risks it's entails.
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It's arrogant folks like Musclenerd to jump to conclusions. It's not that the first-gen iPhone was incapable of multitasking, but the performance and battery life would have taken a serious hit. I know it, most people know it, and I'm sure folks like Musclenerd know it. People seem to forget that it's a phone first.

Hackers like him like to spin it into some kind of conspiracy that Apple is doing something to screw their users.

Apple's first priority is to provide a seamless and pleasant user experience. That's first and foremost. The first moment that things start falling apart because the CPU cannot handle the load is the moment the anti-Apple fanboys will jump on the "crappy" Apple experience.

I would bet that Apple tried some kind of variation of 4.0 on a 2G iPhone and decided the experience was not up to Apple's high-standards. Good for them.

I'm an owner of a 2G phone. I'm not in the least bit upset that my phone will not support 4.0. I acknowledge that Apple went as far as they could go with my almost 3-year old hardware. That does not mean my phone has lost its usability. I will happily retire it to a development phone and eagerly wait for the next iPhone hardware.

Go and jailbreak your 2G iPhone and see how much of a hit multitasking takes on it. I've seen it in action on other friend's iPhones and frankly, it sucks.
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Originally Posted by Cbswe View Post

I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

In a way, Apple's deathgrip on the iPhone is why they exist.

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Bull. They're not trying to make squat better - they just want to "see if they can" because it's nothing but a challenge for them to try and prove themselves...

In a way, this is true. I see them as combat engineers. They're the ones that break through the "defenses" Apple has thrown up to keep the iPhone looking the way they want. This opens the door for the others to come in and get apps, like the ones listed above, to better the user experience.

Of course, all of this is "do at your own risk".
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The hacker also took issue with Apple's claim made Thursday that hardware restrictions have prevented multitasking from being enabled on older iPhone hardware. In addition to existing unauthorized jailbreak solutions for multitasking, the hacking community has also released software to enable MMS functionality on the first-generation iPhone.

Technically, you could probably program some primitive thing that, by the truest definition, was a kind of multitasking for the chip in your microwave oven.

What Apple really means by early iPhone OS devices not supporting multitasking is, “not supporting multitasking in a useful way.” In that case, “multitasking” doesn’t just mean anything, it means the new, efficient methods Apple is using to prevent the very real problems (freezes, sluggishness, reboots, manual process-management hassle) caused by multitasking on Android and others. And “useful” is subjective: jailbreakers may put up with a lot more grief than is acceptable to ship to the general public.

One bottleneck is definitely RAM: previous-gen devices have half the RAM. When an app suddenly exits on your “single-tasking” iPhone, that’s probably why. These devices are already pushing their RAM limits.

Jailbreakers get multitasking to work, yes. Sometimes. Depending on which apps you are using, and which way the groundhog’s shadow falls. That’s not good enough for Apple to call “supported,” and I tend to agree. I can imagine if RAM were made any MORE tight than it already is on my 3G iPhone, and it made me expect this limitation even before the announcement was made.

I’ve even heard from frustrated app developers that jailbreakers give their apps 1-star rating for crashing too much. The jailbreakers are seemingly unaware that they’ve done anything that uses RAM. But of course everything from home screen mods to expanded multitasking DOES use RAM. Some apps have RAM to spare, but some will just crash. YMMV. But one can’t just say “multitasking works” with jailbreaking and not qualify the statement with “sometimes."

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I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

Some people destroy just to destroy. They’re insecure and so they key a car or steal a password. But that applies to “crackers” to use the proper term. The term “hackers,” properly used, it not a bad thing. It means essentially “tinkerers.” People who fool around with things and see what they can be made to do. Sometimes that’s useful! At worst, it’s fun. But then the term often gets applied to crackers: the truly malicious people out to break and steal.
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*eek!* Porn!

Does Steve Jobs have no balls, or what?
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

There is obviously a problem if so many people jailbreak their Apple devices.

Lot of people are of the "Woz notion" that computers and devices should be open and obey the owner.

The "Jobs notion" is people are ignorant, their devices need to be closed and controlled by mother Apple.


I agree for some the Job's way is the right way, but for most others the Woz way is the better path as proven by the open nature of desktop PC's flooding the world.


My guess would be some sort of compromise, allowing advanced users more control over their devices, but not as detrimental as jail-breaking software and the risks it's entails.

The sad reality is that most people ARE ignorant. If they were all power users, we would have no need for security, anti-viruses, and OSX. Windows would have no need for security since everyone would know what not to do. That's an idealistic viewpoint but it's valid. I think that's where Apple is leading the way because they recognize the ignorance of people and try everything they can to design their products that a kid in kindergarten can pick up and use.

Like it or not, I think that is the path in the long run.
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There's a few great programs that require jailbreaking to be able to use. It's not just for people who want to pirate software. I use:

- 5 icon dock (lets you put 5 icons on your iPhone dock)
- MiWi (lets you share your 3G internet connection with other devices)
- Poof (lets you hide unwanted app icons, even where Apple won't let you, like the stocks app)

Have you seen LockInfo 2?
http://justanotheriphoneblog.com/wor...jailbreak-apps
PS: When you're making a case for jailbreaking not just being for pirates including MiWi doesn't really help considering that most carriers don't allow tethering without paying extra, or with AT&T, at all.
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*eek!* Porn!

Does Steve Jobs have no balls, or what?

Like it or not, Apple is out to create a quality experience. And that has real downsides. Just dont forget it also has real advantages.

Those who want balls have Safari to provide that anyway.
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Along with:

ProSwitch for on-the-fly app switching
Backgrounder - background tasks
iRealSMS - in-app texting
SBSettings - quick status bar access to most commonly used iPhone settings

And so many more apps that Apple won't approve but make using the iPhone so much easier and more efficient.

Apple allows in-app texting with v4.0.
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Along with:

ProSwitch for on-the-fly app switching
Backgrounder - background tasks
iRealSMS - in-app texting
SBSettings - quick status bar access to most commonly used iPhone settings

And so many more apps that Apple won't approve but make using the iPhone so much easier and more efficient.

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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

Some people destroy just to destroy. Theyre insecure and so they key a car or steal a password. But that applies to crackers to use the proper term. The term hackers, properly used, it not a bad thing. It means essentially tinkerers. People who fool around with things and see what they can be made to do. Sometimes thats useful! At worst, its fun. But then the term often gets applied to crackers: the truly malicious people out to break and steal.

Actually I'm very aware of what the term "hacker" really mean.
And in my opinion, they should stay away from a very stable OS.
By jailbreaking your iPhone OS-device you are enabling unpredictable behavior
and you'll ruin the simplicity and stability that is Apples trademark.

In other words: don't fix what ain't broken.
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Ive even heard from frustrated app developers that jailbreakers give their apps 1-star rating for crashing too much. The jailbreakers are seemingly unaware that theyve done anything that uses RAM. But of course everything from home screen mods to expanded multitasking DOES use RAM. Some apps have RAM to spare, but some will just crash. YMMV. But one cant just say multitasking works with jailbreaking and not qualify the statement with sometimes."

This is the guts of the jailbreaking issue I think. If you want to jailbreak your phone, by all means go right ahead. But the moment that is done, you've lost all rights to complain as to why application stability goes out the door.

Of course, Jailbreakers will never admit that their phone-cracking is the cause of apps blowing up. That would just be way too easy a reason for them to accept.
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

There is obviously a problem if so many people jailbreak their Apple devices.

Lot of people are of the "Woz notion" that computers and devices should be open and obey the owner.

The "Jobs notion" is people are ignorant, their devices need to be closed and controlled by mother Apple.


I agree for some the Job's way is the right way, but for most others the Woz way is the better path as proven by the open nature of desktop PC's flooding the world.


My guess would be some sort of compromise, allowing advanced users more control over their devices, but not as detrimental as jail-breaking software and the risks it's entails.

The market and customer satisfaction results would seem to indicate differently. You don't see nearly the uptake in the Android market (or Open Source for that matter) as you did/do for Apple. And it ain't in the marketing either, because for every ad that Apple puts out there there are a dozen articles/blogs about how Apple is closed and proprietary, how that is bad, and how Apple is too controlling and so on. Try again please.
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Bull. They're not trying to make squat better - they just want to "see if they can" because it's nothing but a challenge for them to try and prove themselves...

OK. So making it better is just a side affect. I'll accept that.
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I jailbreak my iPhone. I also buy software from iTunes and I buy software from jailbreak developers. I pay for all my software. I jailbreak so that I can customize my phone to the way I want it to be not to steal software. None of the people I know with jailbroken phones steal software. The ignorance in this forum astounds me.
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Some perspective:

Apple (rightly) wants some measure of control over their products and how they will be used for the following reasons:

- consistent user experience
- support issues
- and yes, profits

Even if they approved of jailbreaking (and I see no reason why they should), they would not (and should not) say OK publicly because they then assume responsibility (in the public's eye) for bricked phones, additional software support issues, malicious apps, etc. Furthermore, they would give tacit approval to apps which could harm their brand. Like when junior jailbreaks his iPhone, downloads god knows what, and then shows it to mom. Mom does not even know what jailbreaking is and if there is any hint that the app is Apple-approved, the media and circus storm that ensues is enough to keep 7 law firms and 20 public relations firms busy for a year.

Bottom line: Apple is not open software. If you prefer that model, look elsewhere.
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The sad reality is that most people ARE ignorant.

And then there's the rest of us.
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And in my opinion, they should stay away from a very stable OS.
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IMO, MYOB.

They are just doing their own thing. You need not participate nor take any notice. They are not affecting you or anything that touches you. They are hurting nobody.
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Of course, Jailbreakers will never admit that their phone-cracking is the cause of apps blowing up. [/QUOTE]

Is that true, Solipsism?
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There is obviously a problem if so many people jailbreak their Apple devices.

So many people, give me a break!

Jailbreakers are a tiny minority of people who either want some unapproved apps or to pirate apps. And most will fall into the latter category.

I tried it once for unapproved apps, and it sucked ass!
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The sad reality is that most people ARE ignorant. If they were all power users, we would have no need for security, anti-viruses, and OSX. Windows would have no need for security since everyone would know what not to do. That's an idealistic viewpoint but it's valid. I think that's where Apple is leading the way because they recognize the ignorance of people and try everything they can to design their products that a kid in kindergarten can pick up and use.

Like it or not, I think that is the path in the long run.


Your right in a way, but I think the issue is when users do come up to speed on their devices eventually they start asking themselves things like:

"Hey why do I have to keep seeing the Stock App on my iPhone and what can I do to remove it?


It's because Apple maintains a bit too much control that people are led down the path of jail-breaking.

Perhaps they should loosen up a bit.
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And then there's the rest of us.

Which comprises a very small and vocal minority. As it has been in countless threads before, these are not the folks Apple focuses on for their toaster-appliances.
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IMO, MYOB.

They are just doing their own thing. You need not participate nor take any notice. They are not affecting you or anything that touches you. They are hurting nobody.

No matter if it is their intent or not. They are hurting Apple.
When people jailbreak their iPhones (which is easy and might seem desirable) their iPhones gets unstable.
The very idea of hacking is against the Apple ideology.

Also, I think it's hilarious that you tell people to mind ones own business on an internet forum.
As long as I'm not trolling (,and I'm not,) I have freedom of speech just like everyone else.
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I jailbreak my iPhone. I also buy software from iTunes and I buy software from jailbreak developers. I pay for all my software. I jailbreak so that I can customize my phone to the way I want it to be not to steal software. None of the people I know with jailbroken phones steal software. The ignorance in this forum astounds me.

No disrespect, but I'd rather see people such as yourself not having the option to jailbreak their
phones then millions of users getting their devises messed up because of jailbreaking and bad luck.

Again, nothing personal
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I don't care for hackers.
They do not belong to the Apple platform, because they're not needed there.
What's the point in trying to ruin a good solution several people have worked so hard on creating?

I have never cared for hackers very much either (well at least *today's* hackers), they seem to be mostly concerned with simple theft of IP.

OTOH, Apple is going out of it's way to provide motivation for the platform to be hacked. The "freedom" argument hackers use for instance had no real legs until Apple started censoring content for purely moral and aesthetic reasons as they have lately. Also, the new focus on advertisements at the same time that they released the iPad is another great reason to jailbreak. People don't generally like forced advertisements and never have.

It's the lack of any other option for the end consumer that seems to be driving the latest round of jailbreaking, even if the first few rounds were mostly driven by the criminal/looser types.
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The market and customer satisfaction results would seem to indicate differently. You don't see nearly the uptake in the Android market (or Open Source for that matter) as you did/do for Apple. And it ain't in the marketing either, because for every ad that Apple puts out there there are a dozen articles/blogs about how Apple is closed and proprietary, how that is bad, and how Apple is too controlling and so on. Try again please.


Customer satisfaction is high for Mac's too and it's a open device, why can't this be translated to iPhones, iPads and iPod Touch's?

There is firmware on my Mac that regulates what the machine can do to prevent damage and mischief, so why not on the above devices?

If I start spamming, my ISP will cut me off. If I start abusing AT&T networks with the 3G laptop connect card they will cut me off too.

Apple should allow advanced users of those devices a legal way and safe way to jail break their device and take their own risks with software and the like from the internet, just like on a Mac.


Guess what I found out? When visiting the NY Times website with a iPad (using iPad agent in Safari) it makes a extra covert connection to Akamai servers.

Now what if this was a malware hosted on a site and it wanted to connect to a botnet? I can't place a outgoing firewall software on a iPad to warn one of such covert connections because Apple won't approve something like that on their App Store.

Security is resting totally on Apple's shoulders and they still haven't fixed the glaring issues with Safari.

See the problem?
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No matter if it is their intent or not. They are hurting Apple.
When people jailbreak their iPhones (which is easy and might seem desirable) their iPhones gets unstable.
The very idea of hacking is against the Apple ideology.

Also, I think it's hilarious that you tell people to mind ones own business on an internet forum.
As long as I'm not trolling (,and I'm not,) I have freedom of speech just like everyone else.

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No disrespect, but I'd rather see people such as yourself not having the option to jailbreak their
phones then millions of users getting their devises messed up because of jailbreaking and bad luck.

Again, nothing personal

Neither of these reasons make any sense at all. Your reasoning isn't following a logical train of thought.
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I have never cared for hackers very much either (well at least *today's* hackers), they seem to be mostly concerned with simple theft of IP.

OTOH, Apple is going out of it's way to provide motivation for the platform to be hacked. The "freedom" argument hackers use for instance had no real legs until Apple started censoring content for purely moral and aesthetic reasons as they have lately. Also, the new focus on advertisements at the same time that they released the iPad is another great reason to jailbreak. People don't generally like forced advertisements and never have.

It's the lack of any other option for the end consumer that seems to be driving the latest round of jailbreaking, even if the first few rounds were mostly driven by the criminal/looser types.

I agree with the censorship being a bad aspect. But I also believe it's a necessary compromise.
If Apple didn't control the applications available, there would be problem with malware, low quality
apps and apps that would give the iPhone a bad image (porn apps and such).

The advertisement concept seems to be a little misunderstood.
Rather then previously ad-free apps becoming "infested" with ads.
Apps with already existing "boring" ads would have more attractive ones and
perhaps previously not free apps would be free if containing ads.

I would completely agree with you if they suddenly censored an app for containing
democratic rather then republic opinions of that caliber.

I really prefer the limitations before the named cons as a compromise.
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Some people destroy just to destroy. They’re insecure and so they key a car or steal a password. But that applies to “crackers” to use the proper term. The term “hackers,” properly used, it not a bad thing. It means essentially “tinkerers.” People who fool around with things and see what they can be made to do. Sometimes that’s useful! At worst, it’s fun. But then the term often gets applied to crackers: the truly malicious people out to break and steal.

Thank you for writing that post! I want to stop right now and tell you that I really enjoyed reading the whole thing! But the part quoted above is what I'm so glad someone finally stepped up to the plate and said.

Although everyone likes the word hackers to describe technical and maybe illegal actions performed with electronic devices, it does NOT automatically mean that someone is a person bent on breaking into things and destroying them. That is a great misuse of the term. A true hacker is one who takes a great interest in how the world around them functions, without wanting or intending to destroy or damage it. I don't speak in any way for any of the world's hackers, but I did notice that a great many used to take offense at the misuse of the term. I guess they've all realized that nothing is going to stop people from misusing the term.

Personally speaking, I do take things of every shape and size apart to find out how their designers built them. I do that wherever I am confident that I can do so without destroying the device. I like to look at things in the background that most people never see and wonder what else the designers might have been thinking of doing. But I'd never steal, damage, intentionally destroy or vandalize any of them, especially ones I don't fully control and cannot therefore accept all of the responsibility for whatever may happen. And for the record, I have never jailbroken any of the iPod Touch devices that I own or that are "under my control". Nor do I intend to--I am not that unhappy with how they work. (Although I do fully understand how some people can be. Everyone's got to do what they have got to do.)
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Which comprises a very small and vocal minority. As it has been in countless threads before, these are not the folks Apple focuses on for their toaster-appliances.

I guess you're right. I miss the old days when Apple made computers for the rest of us.
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Neither of the reasons make any sense at all. Your reasoning isn't following a logical train of thought.

I'm a very logical person.
I must say I find it really surprising that you found my statements illogical.
Though I might have been a little unclear perhaps.

The Apple ideology is that if you let the end users get access to low-level stuff, the
end user experience gets damaged because the majority of the users are not technically
experienced enough to handle it or even be comfortable with the ability to interact with it.

So instead of exposing the users to the low-level stuff, Apple makes a simplistic approach and
creates an OS where you wont get warnings like "System exited with error 4352. Idle thread not responding to allocation of a new thread stack.".

Apple also spend a great deal of time seeing that the users can behave as ruthlessly as they want
without getting into trouble. The device is suppose to function even if you're drunk and using the
wrong hand while typing.

Jailbreaking introduces the unpredictability and removes the stableness which is half of the
point with the iPhone OS.
Yes, you can now write your name with the buttons at the home screen or see how how much RAM
is used at the home screen. But I say the big majority loses more then they earn by jailbreaking.
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