Originally Posted by stargatesg1
Some people say what if Adobe Pulls the plug on a mac version of its suite. If this happens it would loose 90% of its business. A lot of design agency's spent thousands of dollars to use mac as their core systems. What I do think is that apple would probably buy a struggling company like Quark revamp it and crush adobe In-Design. Almost all of adobe's applications are written using bloated code. Adobe needs to stop basing their core business on FLASH only. You don't need a plug-in anymore to play video or even to do 3d graphics. Once webgl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGL
is finished Adobe will be finished with FLASH.
Apple could conceivably buy pixelmator and start there, but I doubt if it's necessary. A great deal of what Photoshop does is already available in the Core functions of Mac OS X. They'd simply need to write a front end on what's already there.
That would create a problem with releasing a Windows version, but I think most of the Core stuff has already been ported to Windows, so it might not be so bad.
Originally Posted by Arthur_Klok
If you want to be lazy, use Flash. But don't expect us to look at your site on our Apple products!
That's not quite accurate. Flash still works (sort of) on Mac desktops and laptops.
Rather, you should say "don't expect us to look at your site on ANY mobile device'. People keep forgetting that NONE of the mobile platforms offer a full version of Flash - and even the hyped 10.1 on Android is still months away (at best). It's not just Apple who is saying Flash doesn't belong on mobile devices.
Originally Posted by macintel4me
With the presence Flash has on the internet Adobe has a real opportunity to provide tools to build Flash apps AND HTML5 apps. Think of Dreamweaver but for web apps instead just web sites. The tools could pump out either format. Those tools would truly be as popular as Photoshop. Just think of the devs flocking in droves to those tools to port there Flash apps to HTML5 so their apps support mobile devices as well. Adobe doesn't own the JPG, PNG or TIFF format and they are doing great with Photoshop. Adobe stop complaining and seize the day!!
Yes, a forward thinking company would have done that. They'd have built html 5 creation tools into Dreamweaver rather than fighting a losing battle to keep Flash going. But, then, Adobe hasn't been a forward thinking company for at least a decade.
Originally Posted by Apple Ambivalent
I understand Apple wants to get everyone to play nice together. It is the amount of control that Apple seems to take to protect us all that has me scared to death. First they seem to have an arbitrary selection process for there apps store. Second they seem to have one set of APIs for them to develop apps and another APIs for everyone else. This creates a situation that allows them to take over any market some other developer creates. This is very similar to what MS did. The power that the apps store and APIs give Apple will be hard to not abuse.
Apple's decisions are not, by and large, arbitrary. Apple has very clear SDK rules. Almost every example of someone complaining about Apple being 'arbitrary' is because they broke the rules.
There are a very few exceptions (the political caricature one, for example), but out of 200,000 apps, the number is tiny - and some, if not all, of those were fixed on appeal.
Originally Posted by jaypres
Apple is getting very close to a monopoly in mobile operating systems. If they keep having the success that they have had, it won't be long.
Apple has about 25% share of smart phones -- and less than 5% of all phones. How is that a monopoly?
Originally Posted by sfoalex
I have to disagree strongly with you. A good case in point was Avid pulling out of the Mac market. That was said to be a nail in Apple's coffin. Apple doesn't just sit there and watch the product vanish entirely with no response. Apple bought several companies and the results arenthe Final Cut Suite which has basically marginalized Avid, the industry standard.
If Adobe and even Microsoft ever decided to drop Apple they'd live to regret it. Apple's response would be to build software that's better and cheaper than Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. And it can be done. Apple simply doesn't go after Adobe's market so long as Adobe doesn't force Apple to do so by pulling out.
Exactly. If Adobe pulled all their copies of CS5 for Mac off the shelves tomorrow, it could hurt Apple (but not as much as it would hurt Adobe). But if Adobe said "CS5 is the last Mac version we're doing", Apple could have new software out there long before it became a problem.
Originally Posted by kotatsu
Wow, just wow.
Apple are out competing Adobe how exactly? Flash has near 100% penetration on PCs. Photoshop totally dominates the graphic design market.
Google dominates search. Android is a far more advanced OS than even iPhone OS 4, and Android market share is rapidly rising.
And as for MS... oh come on. Think before you type.
The difference, of course, is that you're looking at narrow slices. Look at Apple's position in the entire market today - and compare it to anyone else.
Microsoft's market share and market dominance have declined.
Google has increased in influence, but there are indications that they've maxed out. Still, Google is the only other player in the industry besides Apple that is growing its market presence.
Adobe is stagnant. They're doing exactly the same thing they've done for decades - and their market position hasn't changed for at least a decade.
Now, look at Apple. Fifteen years ago, their survival was in question. Ten years ago, they had managed to ensure that they would survive as a minor player in desktop PCs. Eight years ago, they started to gain a very strong position in laptop PCs (reaching 15% market share, IIRC). Five years ago, they took over the MP3 market. Three years ago, they took over the phone market. Today, they're poised to take over the tablet PC market.
The reality is reflected in what the market perceives the company as being worth. Ten years ago, Apple was worth less than Adobe. Today, they're worth at least 10 times as much. Ten years ago, Apple was worth less than 10% of Microsoft. Today, they're at 80-90%. Again, Google is the exception - Google has also done well.
So, saying that Apple has outperformed the rest of the industry is a very supportable position. Saying that Apple has outperformed Adobe is a no-brainer. No one with any knowledge of the industry could ever question that.
Originally Posted by Aquatic
All this Flash hate...I don't get it. Flash is a good idea, it just isn't optimized (by a long shot, I know) on Mac or i***. I imagine Adobe is working on that.
Sure they are. That's why it stinks just as badly today as it did when the iPhone came out. Adobe has had 3 years to improve it - and no signs yet (still no 10.1, but even that is limited in functionality and very, very late. Most reports are that it is still slow and uses too much CPU, anyway).
If Adobe were serious about improving Flash, they've had plenty of time to do it.
Originally Posted by hexor
Sounds more like your programmer colleagues don't know much about objective c. There are 13 year olds writing native iPhone apps using objective-c and your university team can't handle that?
On a similar Macrumors thread, someone was talking about their introductory programming course where the instructor was teaching html 5 and Flash.
Sorry, but Flash isn't programming. Too many people don't understand what programming is about.