Originally Posted by mesomorphicman
What they showed with iAd was impressive from an H5 point.
Yeah, I saw that too. I wonder how they made it though. Surely not in code. Perhaps they will introduce a new iWeb that allows HTML 5 animations.
Originally Posted by addabox
Yes, it arguably hurts Apple more than Adobe in the long run, but that would be what is known as "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
Of course but they still might do it. If they give in to Apple and lose Flash, it's a big expense and a loss of a stranglehold on the web. If they take away the CS Suite from the Mac, most publishers will migrate away from the Mac platform and continue to use Flash/Air in the short term at least. Even if everyone ends up on HTML 5, Apple loses out.
Originally Posted by DaveGee
In the years to come will "Macintosh Sales" and more to the point "Macintosh Sales who demand Adobe CS" account for 'MORE & MORE" or "LESS & LESS" of Apples bottom line?
There's a trickle-down effect though. Linux isn't viewed very highly among consumers as it doesn't get support from big vendors. It's not just about direct sales. Adobe is huge in desktop publishing and those people also write articles about Apple. If they are forced not to use Macs because they are incompatible then it causes a wider effect than simply not having compatible software.
That of course assumes printed media will still exist and not some form of electronic ink, the former being why Adobe's Suite is needed.
Originally Posted by foad
The fact is that Adobe, like every other developer, has access to a variety of APIs that give it access to the GPU. Microsoft has implemented those same APIs in Silverlight and to much success.
They have GPU-accelerated HTML 5 in IE9 too - maybe not Canvas though, which would be a real pain:http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/03...bs-all-apps-h/http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-gp...ted-ie9-video/
Originally Posted by RationalTroll
It could be far worse than you think:
What if Apple were intentionally harming Adobe's market cap to prep for a hostile takeover within a year or two after the price drops far enough?
Then there would indeed be a CS Suite for the Mac - and only for the Mac.
That's sometimes seen as the reason behind the Intel/NVidia disputes. It's a possibility but I think unlikely. Given Apple's developments in Webkit/Canvas, I think this is entirely different from a buyout attempt. Often, Apple just step forward from the group of big companies and point in another direction and expect them to follow. It annoys them because they are comfortable making money for doing nothing instead of making things to a higher standard and don't like following the little guy.
Originally Posted by sfoalex
I have to disagree strongly with you. A good case in point was Avid pulling out of the Mac market. That was said to be a nail in Apple's coffin. Apple doesn't just sit there and watch the product vanish entirely with no response. Apple bought several companies and the results arenthe Final Cut Suite which has basically marginalized Avid, the industry standard.
If Adobe and even Microsoft ever decided to drop Apple they'd live to regret it. Apple's response would be to build software that's better and cheaper than Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. And it can be done. Apple simply doesn't go after Adobe's market so long as Adobe doesn't force Apple to do so by pulling out.
That's a good point but "Apple's response would be to build" and "Apple bought several companies" conflict. Apple don't build professional software from the ground up very often. The question is what companies could they buy to take on Adobe.
InDesign CS4 - Quark
Photoshop CS4 Extended - loads of image editing tools out there but plugin support is tricky
Illustrator CS4 - Quark, maybe try to get some of the Freehand devs on board
Acrobat 9 Pro - not going to happen
Flash CS4 Professional - iWeb + animation
Dreamweaver CS4 - Any autocompletion editor like Coda integrated into iWeb, hook it into the Apache server in OS X and it's a great testing platform
Fireworks CS4 - Same as Photoshop replacement
After Effects CS4 - they need to improve Motion but it's on the right path, including good GPUs would help
Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 - Final Cut obviously
Soundbooth CS4 - they do have soundtrack pro in the FCP Suite
LightRoom - Aperture
It's possible for them to do it and in many ways I'm with you on the frustration with the software, the expense etc but I don't want to see them do the same thing they did with Shake. Bought out the industry standard software, did nothing with it, then dropped it. Now all those experienced users have to migrate to Nuke and buy new licenses at great expense.
If they bought out Quark and took on the CS Suite and then do nothing to compete, people are just left with frustration and eventually great expense. Even though Final Cut is very popular now, the software itself is stagnating - yes Apple are lazy too. Their compression software is utter garbage. It is so slow and unstable. Their format support is poor and slow. Their error messages are not intuitive. Final Cut is not popular because it's great but because it's good and cheap, something contrary to Apple's philosophy. It becomes evident that it's little more than a way to sell more high-end Macs.