Originally Posted by jimmac
And yes now we have another much worse
jobless recovery for a much worse recession that started during guess who's administration?
What about that SDW? This all started while Bush was in office. Also in my question to trumptman I said he could still hold his opinions about Obama and it didn't require ( or was an attempt to trick him into ) a change of position. It was only about being for recovery no matter what. So what is it you think you've got?
Dude all you've got is thin air. You guys really think you've latched on to something here but you're totally derailing this thread trying to get back at me for catching trumpy on his partisan attitude. Talk about the topic. You guys look extra silly.
Your first point is a pretty standard talking point. When Obama's policies are criticized, democrats often parrot the line: "But, this started under Bush!"
There are two problems with that response, however. First, it's a non-sequitur. It has nothing to do with the actions that have been undertaken in the past 18 months, all of which have hampered recovery or will hamper growth in years to come.
Secondly, everyone agrees
the recession started under Bush, so you're arguing something about which there is no argument. No one here is blaming Obama for the recession starting
(at least, not that I've read). Those that blame Bush are just scoring political points--and are unable to identify policies that caused the recession anyway.
jimmac, the point is that you looked at one set of economic data under Bush and concluded that the economy was not "good." But now, you're looking at economic data under Obama--data that unquestionably indicates a weaker economy--and pronouncing that we're on our way to a robust recovery. We read no complaints about unemployment, the working poor, state-by-state unemployment, etc. These complaints were ubiquitous during the Bush years, despite an objectively better economy.Edit: Here is some unemployment data from your home state.
In Nov. 2004, Oregon unemployment was 6.7% compared to a national rate of 5.2% (not adjusted for season).(http://www.employment.oregon.gov/EMP...02-53-2004.pdf)
In March 2010, Oregon unemployment stood at 11.7%, with a national average of 10.2%.(http://www.employment.oregon.gov/EMP...02-2010-14.pdf)
Anyone who posted here will recall you constantly harping on how things weren't as good as they should be. You cited, specifically, Oregon unemployment data. So how can things be better now?