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Opera has announced Apple's approval of the company's Opera Mini browser in the iPhone App Store.

The new browser should become available in the App Store within the next day, and will be a free download. It will work on the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad as a classic app that can be pixel doubled.

Opera submitted the app March 23, and observers have waited to see whether Apple would ultimately approve or deny the alternative web browser.

Back in October 2008, Opera co-founder Jon Stephenson von Tetzchner told the New York Times that his company had ported the Mini browser to the iPhone, but had assumed that it would not be approved because of Apple's policies.

Mozilla, the developer of Firefox, had similarly complained that Apple would probably not approve of its alternative web browser on the iPhone, so it simply did not try to submit one.

The Mini in Opera Mini

Opera Mini is unique both in that it does not use the WebKit browser engine, and that it uses a proxy compression scheme to greatly reduce web traffic. All the pages a user browses in Opera Mini are relayed through Opera's servers, which reduce the size of content by as much as 90%.

This design results in speedy browsing, which is specifically useful to mobile users with limited network access. Opera Mini claims page loading speeds up to six times faster than Apple's Mobile Safari when using a mobile 3G network. However, the features also bypasses SSL security, making it undesirable for accessing banking information.

Opera Mini also offers other features Safari doesn't, including the ability to search the contents of web pages. It does not include a pinch to zoom feature, which is something that Apple has insisted on reserving for its own bundled apps.

In a press release, Opera chief executive Lars Boilesen said, "We are delighted to offer iPhone and iPod touch users a great browsing experience with the Opera Mini app. This app is another step toward Opera's goal of bringing the Web to more people in more places."

post #2 of 78
A good move by Apple that provides choice for their users.

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post #3 of 78
Did Apple just remove it? lmao

I did a search for it but no go.

I went to Opera's website and clicked on their iTunes link but I got a "Your request could not be completed." message from the AppStore.

I guess Steve found out and blew a gasket.
post #4 of 78
That'll shut a lot of people up.

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I went to Opera's website and clicked on their iTunes link but I got a "Your request could not be completed." message from the AppStore.:

Dude, give it 24 hours.

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post #5 of 78
I have a feeling they're going to pull it.
post #6 of 78
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Originally Posted by Fernando View Post

Did Apple just remove it? lmao

I did a search for it but no go.

I went to Opera's website and clicked on their iTunes link but I got a "Your request could not be completed." message from the AppStore.

I guess Steve found out and blew a gasket.

They said it should be available in the next day in the main article, there in the second sentence:

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"The new browser should become available in the App Store within the next day, and will be a free download. It will work on the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad as a classic app that can be pixel doubled."

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Originally Posted by Fernando View Post

Did Apple just remove it? lmao

I did a search for it but no go.

I went to Opera's website and clicked on their iTunes link but I got a "Your request could not be completed." message from the AppStore.

I guess Steve found out and blew a gasket.

The website also says the release is on the 13th and today is the 12th. Apps usually appear within 24 hours after approval. Check tomorrow.
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However, the features also bypasses SSL security, making it undesirable for accessing banking information.

And a host of other websites. But I'm sure it's safe for you guys... Be sure to let me know how it works out for you.

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post #9 of 78
I wonder if the increases or decreases the odds of a FireFox and/or Chrome for iOS?

If'n I were a bettin' man, and I am, I would bet against Firefox and especially Chrome for the iPhone/IPad.

So, how soon until someone ports Chrome/Android to run on the iPhone hardware?
post #10 of 78
It's available in the UK store. I downloaded it a couple of hours ago.

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/opera...363729560?mt=8
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Originally Posted by reliason View Post

I wonder if the increases or decreases the odds of a FireFox and/or Chrome for iOS?

If'n I were a bettin' man, and I am, I would bet against Firefox and especially Chrome for the iPhone/IPad.

So, how soon until someone ports Chrome/Android to run on the iPhone hardware?

2) Sigh... please don't start a trend of calling it iOS. Cisco has been calling the OS that runs it's hardware IOS for years.. Not to mention it's called iPhone OS. Do you call "Mac OS X" "MOSX"? Almost as bad as people calling the iPod touch the iTouch...

2) if you're going to go through all the trouble it would take to install Android on an iPhone, why not just jailbrake the phone to get around App Store restrictions and keep the superior UX?
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Originally Posted by Londor View Post

It's available in the UK store. I downloaded it a couple of hours ago.

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/opera...363729560?mt=8

Hmm, how did they get away with rating it 4+ when an app simply including a web browsing feature has to be rated 17+?
post #13 of 78
Downloaded it.

Installed it.

Opened appleinsider.com.

Cringed.

Tried some more complex sites.

Almost fainted.

Deleted it.

Rated it 1 star.

Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.
post #14 of 78
I've just recently started using the Opera Mobile 10 browser for Symbian on my Nokia (don't judge - I prefer a real keyboard - plus I have a new iPad) and its been a revelation, making the crappy MEdiaNet browser look just as bad as it is. I had been hoping that Mozilla would eventually relent and release some Fennec-type version for Symbian, now that is moot. Personally on Mac OS X I much prefer Firefox over Safari; I think its fine for Apple to have some software competition on all of its devices.
post #15 of 78
Wow! this is good. Especially since ill be getting my fourth generation iPhone soon. Imagine the Opera speed on the at&t 3G network? itll be super fast. But, if the so called Verizon iPhone were to put it up to the test, it will just be a, normal safari like web browser speed. Pretty much..
post #16 of 78
No matter how good it is, if it was developed using 3rd party cross-compilers or tools it will be a dead end when OS 4 comes out. And that's a bad thing . . .
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

Downloaded it.

Installed it.

Opened appleinsider.com.

Cringed.

Tried some more complex sites.

Almost fainted.

Deleted it.

Rated it 1 star.

Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.

All comments should be written in this format.
post #18 of 78
After a week of "Apple against the world" headlines, this is refreshingly non-adversarial news. Opera does some good work, I am glad to see that Apple is willing to play ball.
post #19 of 78
It may well be that Apple tried to avoid the position that M$ maneuvered themselves in in Europe by initially tying Explorer with their OS. Now they have to offer all browsers that will run on Windoz.

If so, smart move on Apple's part (especially if the browser is not worth downloading, see above)
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All comments should be written in this format.

Hehe, sorry, but since these Opera guys were creating such a ballyhoo around this junk, including an original blackmail countdown timer... I figured it deserves some space
post #21 of 78
I don't like the idea of having all my web traffic passing through Opera servers. I'm happy with Safari.
post #22 of 78
You guys aren't getting it, this move to approve a third party browser is to further support the idea that we don't need Flash.

Brilliant strateg-ery Apple. Keep going.
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Hehe, sorry, but since these Opera guys were creating such a ballyhoo around this junk, including an original blackmail countdown timer... I figured it deserves some space

'blackmail'



geez guys, Apple accepted the app. you are allowed to stop hating Opera now.

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post #24 of 78
Miracles never cease..
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Originally Posted by ilogic View Post

You guys aren't getting it, this move to approve a third party browser is to further support the idea that we don't need Flash.

Brilliant strateg-ery Apple. Keep going.

Maybe this was sarcasm and it's just lost on me, but I don't see how approving a third-party browser is a move against Flash. Windows supports any browser written for it and Flash is used on almost 100% of those computers. Again, maybe I'm just a little dense and didn't get the joke.
post #26 of 78
Hate to break it to you, and others, but there is very little security when using any wireless method. Sure the website might be secured, but your over-the-air transmission of data can be tapped into. You are after all using a radio. For banking and such, you should never use Wi-Fi or Cell towers. Also, what is the difference whether it goes through Opera's servers, your web traffic goes through AT&T servers also.
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I don't like the idea of having all my web traffic passing through Opera servers. I'm happy with Safari.
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

Downloaded it.

Installed it.

Opened appleinsider.com.

Cringed.

Tried some more complex sites.

Almost fainted.

Deleted it.

Rated it 1 star.

Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.

Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.
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Originally Posted by dreyfus2 View Post

Downloaded it.

Installed it.

Opened appleinsider.com.

Cringed.

Tried some more complex sites.

Almost fainted.

Deleted it.

Rated it 1 star.

Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.

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Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.

That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.

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post #29 of 78
In order to get approved this browser has to support HTML5 and not support Flash, Java, and Silverlight.

The review on Engadget demonstrated Opera opening 5 pages of the NY Times on the Edge network as compare to Safari's 1 page load. The Opera browser on the iPhone looks very slick. I'd use it over Safari if I had an iPhone.

I use it on the Blackberry as it is the best Blackberry browser.
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Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.

Then it is even worse (must have interpreted my pinching as tapping)... it does not detect containers properly and without a manual pinch to zoom capability the user can't even get the desired part of the page at a proper magnification at all. Complete junk.
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Originally Posted by MarkyMark7 View Post

I've just recently started using the Opera Mobile 10 browser for Symbian on my Nokia (don't judge - I prefer a real keyboard - plus I have a new iPad) and its been a revelation, making the crappy MEdiaNet browser look just as bad as it is. I had been hoping that Mozilla would eventually relent and release some Fennec-type version for Symbian, now that is moot. Personally on Mac OS X I much prefer Firefox over Safari; I think its fine for Apple to have some software competition on all of its devices.

This post is really the key... Opera Mobile truly is a great browser... On any platform that is not the iPhone. I have an iPhone for personal use, and a Blackberry given to me by my employer. Opera is the only thing that makes web browsing tolerable on the Blackberry, but I use it as rarely as possible because there simply is not a better mobile browser than Safari on the iPhone/iPad.
post #32 of 78
It's very quick to download, noticeably outside of 3G and wifi, so I'll probably use it every now and then if I'm in a real hurry. It saves complete pages in "saved pages" and a few in history (making some sites much quicker to navigate) so iPod Touch users might like it, sometimes.

However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times mostly badly formatted. Appleinsider has a thin column of text that reads like this-

Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.

It gets better when the page reformats after scrolling down the page past the first five most recent articles, but gone is the sense of a full web experience, it's much more some kind of a hybrid between a mobile browser and full browser.

There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.

Because of it's speed 4/5 stars.
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That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.

It clogged my toilet! voted 1 and uninstalled!
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.

This is my initial review.

1. It is quick. Stupid Quick.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.

In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.

I'd give it three stars. Solid effort.
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No matter how good it is, if it was developed using 3rd party cross-compilers or tools it will be a dead end when OS 4 comes out. And that's a bad thing . . .

No. Opera 10.5 is written for Cocoa for the Desktop as well for the iPhone OS.

They don't have to include Flash support for the mobile and they are big proponents for HTML5/CSS3/SVG and adhering to Cocoa won't be hard.
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

It's very quick to download, noticeably outside of 3G and wifi, so I'll probably use it every now and then if I'm in a real hurry. It saves complete pages in history, so iPod Touch users might like it, sometimes.

However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times not too bad but Appleinsider's has a thin column of text that reads like this-

Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.

There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.

It seems to me that the minimum rendered width of the AI homepage without introducing sideways scrolling is about 730px. If you resize your browser to that width the home page looks much the same. I suppose the rendering server has to make some decision about how wide the page needs to be.

It seems to me the zoom is sufficient to make the text rendered at the selected size in the settings. If that is the case I don't understand how the links could be too small? Certainly getting to page number links of forum threads in safari is just as small a target.
post #37 of 78
holy crap this is FAST! been using it for a few minutes now and this is VERY FAST.

Now Opera release an iPad version ASAP!
post #38 of 78
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

This is my initial review.

1. It is quick. Stupid Quick.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.

In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.

I'd give it three stars. Solid effort.

If you disable image downloads (not sure if iphone version does that but wm does) it's great for when you're roaming or out of 3g area as you said. I use it to check the scores of games, look up something on wikipedia, or do some quick google news reading.

Also, as far as I know, Opera Mini is made with Java, which might not be supported in OS4? Or is it? I'm a bit unclear. Anyways, if it isn't supported in OS4, I think you found the reason why it's being offered now. It'll just get taken down soon.
post #39 of 78
Just downloaded.

Going to test more on iPhone without 3G. It's not as smooth as mobile safari, especially the zooming...which is limited and choppy depending on what site you are browsing.

Limited but quick, good for mobile sites at first glance. Been awhile since I've used another mobile browser, could come in handy.
post #40 of 78
I tried to browse a couple of web sites which require me to log in, and got an "invalid password" in both cases. These two web sites are completely unrelated and logins/passwords that I used are also very much different.

Weird (but maybe not, considering that "all stuff goes via Opera's servers" - unfortunately I read this *after* I tried and failed)
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