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In the real world, that difference in capacity would cost almost nothing.

The best bet is to get the smaller drive and plan on putting in something bigger someday. The $200 could be used at any time to get more capacity - maybe MUCH more than 500 even.

In the meantime, 320 is really not so small, and easy external drives are plentiful (altho I'm not sure why Apple decided against incuding an eSATA port...)

I would love to read your CV. Perhaps I am missing something by not accepting your suggestions. However, without knowing just how much of an expert you are, I remain open-minded.
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Exactly..... let me pre-empt the whiners: No Blu Ray, matte, touch screen, USB3, pixie dust, 20-hour battery, user-removable battery..... moan moan.......

Get on with it, folks!

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So because you don't want these things, no one else should have them? And if you do you are a whiner? How intolerant of you.

I have a feeling that what they're implying at is that you can get all of the features you want from other manufacturers. If they are so important to you, why hang around the manufacturer that clearly has a very specific vision and is never going to implement certain technologies (like blu-ray).

At least that's my guess.


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The one question I have is concerning upgrading the memory...

Basically, can I add 4GB of RAM to the 15" MBP later, or would this be a replacement of the base 4GB RAM? Are there empty memory slots? I just don't know that I need 8GB of RAM, but it would be nice to know I can upgrade without throwing away the 4GB that it comes with.

I was wondering the same thing, so I checked ramseeker.com and the price of an 8GB RAM upgrade makes simply buying the 8GB upgrade through Apple a reasonable deal.

Tossing or trying to sell RAM is a waste and a pain, IMO. I have a RAM museum in a drawer somewhere... "leftover" RAM from I have no idea how many Macs over the years. I used to just give the leftovers to friends to see it get some use.
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My impression of Belkin is similar - cool stuff, too high-priced for a frugal geek like me. But it's also my impression that Belkin sells zillions of accessories at huge margins.

Having also handled the PureA/V line of Belkin products with that previously mentioned A/V integration firm, I can confirm that the margins are substantial.
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My only complaint is on how Apple marginalizes the product refresh, I mean seriously, how many versions of a laptop do we need? They should just sell maybe two versions of their laptops and call it a day, going from 2.4GHZ to 2.53GHZ is just stupid.

Have you not looked at Dell or HP lately? They have way more laptop models. This is partially why you see Apple laptops beating all other models of laptops. You can modify a 17" MBP and it still sells as a 17" MBP. There are several versions of laptop from other companies that you can build basically the same machine, but they have different SKUs.
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So what are the differences between the various i7 processors out there? Is the one in the new macbook a quad core? Are there actual quad-core i7s?
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So what are the differences between the various i7 processors out there? Is the one in the new macbook a quad core? Are there actual quad-core i7s?

The only quad core i7 is a Clarksfield, which is 45nm instead of 35 and 45-55W instead of 35W. Too hot for Apple to put it in the MBP. All the i5 and i7 Arrandale chips (like in the new MBP) are hyper-threading enabled, so they have 2 real and 2 virtual cores.
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i need to stop reading US-based news sites, seeing as it reminds me that the US prices are TWENTY-EIGHT PER CENT lower than those in the UK

*sigh*

Yes I feel your pain, but don't forget that the UK prices are inclusive of VAT while the US ones are ex of sales tax. Even so, Apple doesn't treat us fair over the exchange rate.
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post #170 of 335
Extremeskater,

Hey no i7 in the new update, you should really stick with you day job, it is a IBM programmer, if I remember (maybe wrong) and leave the commentary to us.

Btw see your exact comment below #31 from previous day in news on shortest of MBP at retail shops

A Core i7 in a Macbook Pro. Unlikely at best. Tell me the last time Apple used the lastest chip offering by intel? They just put quad cores in their iMacs. I would doubt we will even see the Arrandle in the Macbook Pros.

P.S. I suppose your taking a break from this site
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No. There is no discrete video RAM any more

That's not correct. See Apple's tech specs for the new MacBook Pros:

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NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz configurations

So, the question remains, can you permanently switch to the discrete graphics to maximise available system memory?
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post #172 of 335
13" with 10 hour battery life? Oh yeah. I bought one this morning to replace my old MB Al. Unibody mac book.

I am going to be happy except I lost the ability to open the bottom and replace the hdd and ram very easily. The 10 hour battery life makes up for it though.
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So, the question remains, can you permanently switch to the discrete graphics to maximise available system memory?

Yep. See AI's latest article.


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I am going to be happy except I lost the ability to open the bottom and replace the hdd and ram very easily. The 10 hour battery life makes up for it though.

You'd need a screwdriver for the RAM and HDD anyway. It's only a handful of additional screws and doesn't add anymore time if it's adding RAM and only a minute or two if it's changing the HDD. I'll take that over a previous battery duration any day. The only thing I'd hope they include are screws that stay in the case bottom after they are unscrewed, like the older MB had when the HDD and RAM access via the removed battery. That was a nice touch.
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Thanks for the great information here. Based on this, I'm looking to save $300 by getting the base 15" rather than the top-end 15" (student discount makes the $300 rather than $400).

The one item of difference I didn't mention before is the 256MB vs 512MB of video ram. I noticed that on the 15" MBP later. The 17" MBP comes with 512MB even for the i5. Makes me lean more toward the 17" now.

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The one question I have is concerning upgrading the memory...

Basically, can I add 4GB of RAM to the 15" MBP later, or would this be a replacement of the base 4GB RAM? Are there empty memory slots? I just don't know that I need 8GB of RAM, but it would be nice to know I can upgrade without throwing away the 4GB that it comes with.

Crucial says 2 slots. You'll have to do something else with your 2GB sticks later. Upgrade when 4GB prices drop further and you need the RAM.

Wow...and the Apple prices don't suck either. The 8GB kit (2x4GB) is $499 from Crucial and $433 from NewEgg (for Crucial).
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The i7 quad core has hyperthreading too. So it has 4 real and 4 virtual cores.

In Task Manager 8 separate graphs and stats are shown.

I never said it wasn't. I was just trying to explain why they likely didn'tcall out the fact that their i5 and i7 processors are all dual core. All of them are Arrandale and all Arrandale are dual core. Clarksfield is quad
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The one item of difference I didn't mention before is the 256MB vs 512MB of video ram. I noticed that on the 15" MBP later. The 17" MBP comes with 512MB even for the i5. Makes me lean more toward the 17" now.



Crucial says 2 slots. You'll have to do something else with your 2GB sticks later. Upgrade when 4GB prices drop further and you need the RAM.

Wow...and the Apple prices don't suck either. The 8GB kit (2x4GB) is $499 from Crucial and $433 from NewEgg (for Crucial).

I'm really curious what the difference is between the Apple specific memory and the standard memory. The G.Skill standard is 360 for 2x4GB, the Apple specific from them is $400. Why an extra $40? Will the $360 version work fine?
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I think that you have a couple of choices: Settle for LCD performance or look at another brand of laptop. Gamers have looked elsewhere for years.

What other brand runs Mac OS X? None but Apple. And certainly none with the same elegance and build quality.
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post #178 of 335
Can anybody figure out the new part numbers? Apple's site doesn't seem to show them. Trying to make sure I order the right one.
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I'm really curious what the difference is between the Apple specific memory and the standard memory. The G.Skill standard is 360 for 2x4GB, the Apple specific from them is $400. Why an extra $40? Will the $360 version work fine?

Yes. The same difference between G.Skill ($359) and say Crucial ($433) and Corsair ($459). Just reputation of reliability and branding.

There are few bad reviews of G.Skill on NewEgg for their older modules. But any brand can have dead sticks and it seems like G.Skill is addressing those in a timely fashion.

Still, many folks swear by Corsair despite the extra cost. If you want a reduce chance of a RMA and rock solid RAM you go with one of the usual suspects (Corsair, Muskin, Crucial).

For someone like Apple they go with a 1st tier brand so the $400 is very reasonable. My older Macs came with crucial RAM in them if I remember right. If you want 8GB from the get go, I'd just order the Apple RAM vs the hassle of buying from NewEgg and installing yourself.
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I never said it wasn't. I was just trying to explain why they likely didn'tcall out the fact that their i5 and i7 processors are all dual core. All of them are Arrandale and all Arrandale are dual core. Clarksfield is quad

They did:

"New Core i5 and Core i7 processors.
The 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro feature the fastest dual-core processors available, which boost performance up to 50 percent."
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I was wondering the same thing, so I checked ramseeker.com and the price of an 8GB RAM upgrade makes simply buying the 8GB upgrade through Apple a reasonable deal.

Tossing or trying to sell RAM is a waste and a pain, IMO. I have a RAM museum in a drawer somewhere... "leftover" RAM from I have no idea how many Macs over the years. I used to just give the leftovers to friends to see it get some use.

I agree that the price on the 8GB upgrade option is fairly reasonable, I just don't know that I actually NEED more than 4GB. Right now I get along just fine on my Mac Pro with only 6GB. However, I would love the have the best of both worlds in being able to buy the 4GB base config now and then simply add another 4GB to it down the road if I feel I need to. Plus, the lower the sticker price, the easier it is to convince the wife.
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What other brand runs Mac OS X? None but Apple. And certainly none with the same elegance and build quality.

What's the point of saying "none with the same elegance and build quality" when you've already established that no one else runs OS X? Any property is trivially true for a null set.
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13" with 10 hour battery life? Oh yeah. I bought one this morning to replace my old MB Al. Unibody mac book.

I am going to be happy except I lost the ability to open the bottom and replace the hdd and ram very easily. The 10 hour battery life makes up for it though.

Even with the unibody MacBooks/MBP that have user replaceable battery you needed to actually open the whole bottom to replace the RAM. However, I did it and it is real easy.
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Anyone notice the "antiglare" option on the high res 15" display? It's not advertised at "matte" - so what is it?

Anti-glare is the actual term for the anti-reflective screen treatment.
(I have a link to that somewhere here... )

Matte finish is really a term from photo-finishing printing which has somehow gotten associated with LCD screens, even though not technically accurate. It comes from back-in-the-day when people would choose between glossy finish or matte finish picture prints.

Apple's own description only refers to matte in terms of user "experience" :
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"If you prefer a display with antiglare coating for a matte rather than glossy viewing experience, choose the antiglare widescreen display."

So anti-glare is the real deal.
And for me, always the better choice, as my eyes seem to get easily confused by the reflections on all the mainstream glossy screens.
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so even with this: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/mar/10blu-ray.html

macbook pro's have no blu-ray?
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Not exactly sure how that comes into what I was saying considering I just pointed out that all the i5 and i7 chips Apple is using are dual core with hyper-threading, but ok. They are correct. They are using the fasting mobile chips Intel makes. If they were using desktop chips they would sink their battery life.
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Theories as to why the 13" didn't at least get an i3?

Intel did not license its next generation interconnect technology so only it could make chipsets for its CPUs. Probably with that is that their integrated GPU technology is beyond horrible. I'm guessing there wasn't enough room for a dedicated GPU.

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In the real world, that difference in capacity would cost almost nothing.

The best bet is to get the smaller drive and plan on putting in something bigger someday. The $200 could be used at any time to get more capacity - maybe MUCH more than 500 even.

In the meantime, 320 is really not so small, and easy external drives are plentiful (altho I'm not sure why Apple decided against incuding an eSATA port...)

And intel laptop hard drives are cheap and upgrading the MBPs is easy. A 750GB 5400 9.5mm drive is only $120.

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What other brand runs Mac OS X? None but Apple. And certainly none with the same elegance and build quality.

Both their greatest strength and most glaring weakness. User groups can and have been left out in the cold on a whim with no place to turn.
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I look for quality. I care less about convenience. .

And you tout Bose as a positive example? Bose is the quintessential company that sells overpriced items to people more interested in "name", looks, and convenience and NOT sound quality.
post #189 of 335
LOL! Geforce 330M is just renamed Geforce what 9600? Which was renamed Geforce 8600... Is that 17" actually slower than the previous MacBookPro?

EDIT: I was hoping that this refresh would bring the graphics department up to date. It didn't. I need to look elsewhere for a new laptop.

HAHAHA My old 8800GTX (sold it away ages ago) from 2006 had 128 cores. 330M (same family BTW) has 48 cores... Not buying that old tech again, sorry Steve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_300_Series
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How do you sift through the realities of the different chips and video card memory options?

Is the i7 better to an average user than the i5? Will double the video memory mean that much to an occasional gamer?
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I was hoping for a MacBook Air refresh

Something weird - when i enter the MBA page and I click on store - it sends me to the UK store. . . are they not available on the US?

Has anyone else seen this?

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How do you sift through the realities of the different chips and video card memory options?

Is the i7 better to an average user than the i5? Will double the video memory mean that much to an occasional gamer?

Yeah that is my questions too. If the i7 isn't much better than the i5 (according to the Notebookcheck.com article) does the i7 MBP perform better overall due to the doubled graphics memory?
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I was hoping for a MacBook Air refresh

Something weird - when i enter the MBA page and I click on store - it sends me to the UK store. . . are they not available on the US?

Has anyone else seen this?

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Just go to the bottom of the page and change your country back to the US.
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Intel did not license its next generation interconnect technology so only it could make chipsets for its CPUs. ...
User groups can and have been left out in the cold on a whim with no place to turn.

Although slightly outside the original question, I do agree and find it sad that the Mac User groups have been so spurned by Apple.

Years back the various MUGs (Mac User Groups) would even be at the MacWorld conferences, and were a great source of Mac info, help, social connection, and free publicity and evangelizing for Apple and Apple vendors. I used to belong to the BMUG wayyyyy back.

I think Apple really made a mis-step when they stopped being friendly with the MUGs.
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Yeah that is my questions too. If the i7 isn't much better than the i5 (according to the Notebookcheck.com article) does the i7 MBP perform better overall due to the doubled graphics memory?

The 330M has 48 processing cores. My old desktop card 8800GTX (same family, BTW) had 128 cores. And it was launched in 2006. You do the math.
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Yeah that is my questions too. If the i7 isn't much better than the i5 (according to the Notebookcheck.com article) does the i7 MBP perform better overall due to the doubled graphics memory?

There might be some benefit in the gaming department for people who dual-boot Windows. There are almost certainly benefits for scientific applications written in CUDA or OpenCL, so if you are "Folding @ Home" you'll probably see a difference. If you are manipulating huge image files it might matter. For most people there won't be any noticeable difference.

The main differences between the i7 and the i5 seems to be that the i7 hash more on-chip memory, which can make a difference (though benchmarks don't seem to be finding one), and a higher "Turbo" frequency for running single-threaded applications. Wikipedia doesn't think that the 2.4 GHz i5s have working AES units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set). I can't imaging that this matters.

I came really close to buying one of these but remembered the golden rule---don't buy any new Apple product for the first 3 months. They will undoubtably have software/driver problems for a while, and may even have other issues (yellowing plastic, etc.). I'll get one closer to "back-to-school" time when I can probably get a free iPod out of it.
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How do you sift through the realities of the different chips and video card memory options?

Is the i7 better to an average user than the i5? Will double the video memory mean that much to an occasional gamer?

Depends on what is meant by average user and what kind of games.

For the average user - if the definition is web browsing, email, document processing and typical multimedia of iTunes, iPhoto and movie watching, then the Core 2 Duo (C2D) is plenty of power. and certainly the lower end i-series is more than adequate. Since the real value of the i-series CPU is in the multi-core multi-threading, and most of the average user applications don't exploit multi-threading that much. Thus the two cores you get in either C2D or the i3 or i5 is sufficient for the average user.

Re. games, for the kind of games that I do, sudoku, mahjong and the like, C2D is plenty. It's even OK for the role-play type games that my daughter likes. But if you are into high video action shooter games, then the question is not as simple. (and I have no inclination in that direction, but high-end gamers seem to want high-end machines... if the articles and comments posted are followed).
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post #198 of 335
until there are 4 physical cores in a macbook pro, these are off my list. my 8-core mac pro is just too good! maybe next year we will see 4-core macbook pro's (probably just in 17-incher). good update though, should be a nice upgrade for professionals. consumers this would make no difference for whatsoever. sounds like the graphics cards are auto-switching. huge step up from the previous versions where you'd have to log out and log back in after switching out the cards in the system preferences. wwdc this year? all about iphone and ipad it looks like. no 10.7 until 2011 assuming.

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Yeah that is my questions too. If the i7 isn't much better than the i5 (according to the Notebookcheck.com article) does the i7 MBP perform better overall due to the doubled graphics memory?

We'll likely have to wait for websites to come out with their reviews for that. The extra graphic memory might make a decent difference when it comes to everyday processing thanks to OpenCL, but I'm not positive.
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Reading this thread sure would be nice with the new inertial trackpad, pretty cool. Wish this was possible with 2009 MB Pro.
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