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The specification sheet for Apple's new line of MacBook Pro notebooks states that HDMI output is possible using an optional Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter, hinting that Apple could release a first-party solution [Update: New ports support audio output].

The bullet point is included under the "Pure digital video output" section of the technical specifications for Apple's new MacBook Pro machines. It advertises the functionality as: "HDMI output using Mini DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter (optional)."

Apple does not make a first-party Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapter, and there is no sign of one yet on the Apple store. Existing third-party options have been available since early 2009 for under $20. Such cables allow Macs to be connected to nearly any HDTV with HDMI for video output.

Apple does sell first-party Mini DisplayPort adapters that convert the output to VGA and DVI. Both items cost $29 direct from the hardware maker.

In March, AppleInsider exclusively reported that Apple has created in its internal labs a Mini DisplayPort to HDMI connector. The alleged hardware was said to include technology that would allows Macs shipping with an updated Mini DisplayPort spec to channel both video and audio through the Mini Display port to the HDMI adapter, rather than just video.

Update: ArsTechnica confirmed that the new Mini DisplayPort supports both audio and video output on the new MacBook Pros. However, Apple also reportedly said it has no plans to release its own HDMI adapter.

The Mini DisplayPort became a part of Apple's LED Cinema Display, MacBook and MacBook Pro lines in late 2008. It replaces DVI video with a much smaller port. The new 27-inch iMac, introduced last October, only supports DisplayPort input. Unlike the Mini-DVI and Micro-DVI connectors common on previous generation Apple products, the port is capable of driving resolutions up to 2560x1600, which is commonly used on 30-inch displays.



Though the Mini DisplayPort technology was originally created by Apple, in 2009 the Cupertino, Calif., company agreed to license the interface to the Video Electronics Standard Association for its own DisplayPort standard. Prior to the agreement, Apple had to license its technology itself and made the standard free, as an incentive for rapid adoption.

Last November, the Mini DisplayPort standard created by Apple was officially adopted by VESA, which is also finalizing the DisplayPort 1.2 standard, which will double the technology's bandwidth capabilities to 21.6GB/s.

Last week, a new patent application suggested Apple is creating a new proprietary cable that could simultaneously transmit both USB 3.0 and DisplayPort data through one cable. The described technology would offer more functionality and greater data transfer rates via smller cable connector form factor.
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Pertinent questions:
  • Will the new MBPs output audio through the mini-DisplayPort connector?
  • If not, will the Apple connector only handle video or will it get audio via the 3.5mm connector (or USB)?
  • How will the Apple solution compare to the one from Monoprice.com?

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We'll see.
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Pertinent questions:
  • Will the new MBPs output audio through the mini-DisplayPort connector?
  • If not, will the Apple connector only handle video or will it get audio via the 3.5mm connector (or USB)?
  • How will the Apple solution compare to the one from Monoprice.com?

If it they just HDMI I would assume they meant A/V, but they list it under the video out section and not under audio out.

If they are going to merge separate A and V with their adapter I hope they use USB and allow fore better than 2-channel audio, which the 3.5mm connector and Monoprice's USB/mDP-to-HDMI(f) solution handles.
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First Party this Third Party that...

Isn't ANYONE concerned with the whereabouts of the Second Party?!? We haven't heard a word from them since... FOREVER!!!!
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post #6 of 42
I bet it is video only and that audio will still be via an optical cable. Apple is kind of retarded that way...
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

First Party this Third Party that...

Isn't ANYONE concurred with the whereabouts of the Second Party?!? We haven't heard a word from them since... FOREVER!!!!

What devices do YOU provide personally? (I'm loosely following literary forms in terms of 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person voices)
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First Party this Third Party that...

Isn't ANYONE concurred with the whereabouts of the Second Party?!? We haven't heard a word from them since... FOREVER!!!!

That's what YOU say...



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post #9 of 42
and use my HDTV as a 46" monitor for my Mac Mini
post #10 of 42
could this mean that new displays are not far behind?
post #11 of 42
Nope, just that Apple was behind on first party Mini-DP adaptors.
post #12 of 42
The adapter is the first step. Hopefully BD will be the second.
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

First Party this Third Party that...

Isn't ANYONE concerned with the whereabouts of the Second Party?!? We haven't heard a word from them since... FOREVER!!!!

That's because everyone goes home from the first party to have a wash and change their clothes. By the time they get back, the second party has already finished and the third party is underway. It's obvious when you think about it.
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Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

I bet it is video only and that audio will still be via an optical cable. Apple is kind of retarded that way...

Super duper, yet another proprietary cable. Apple Display Connector - remember that success story?

Who in their right mind would want to just use plain old HDMI? Naw, that would be too industry standard, how would extra revenue get extracted from our pockets doing that????

Thanks a lot, Steve-o.
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post #15 of 42
To be honest........it'll be good however it needs to have input for imac
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Monoprice. There is nowhere else.

Is there any way in the world Apple's "first-party solution" will be as cheap as these?

8.55 for an adapter and you can use any HDMI cable (also dirt cheap on monoprice).
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

or

10.37 for a 6 ft miniDP to HDMI male cable.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
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This article from Ars says that audio is IN FACT enabled over mDP for new MBPs.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...isplayport.ars
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

This article from Ars says that audio is IN FACT enabled over mDP for new MBPs.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...isplayport.ars

Thanks solipsism! That's great news, and makes me reallly itching to get a new MBP (have 2008 AL-book that's handling fine, but showing a bit of wear and tear).
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Thanks solipsism! That's great news, and makes me reallly itching to get a new MBP (have 2008 AL-book that's handling fine, but showing a bit of wear and tear).

It does make it more appealing. I doubt it, but I wonder if a driver update can enable it for previous Macs with mDP.
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post #20 of 42
I assume that this works with existing adapters then?
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Originally Posted by allblue View Post

That's because everyone goes home from the first party to have a wash and change their clothes. By the time they get back, the second party has already finished and the third party is underway. It's obvious when you think about it.

Obvious perhaps... but it doesn't make it any less sorrowful...
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Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post

What devices do YOU provide personally? (I'm loosely following literary forms in terms of 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person voices)

Oh, I'm sorry! No, I'm afraid that's incorrect.

I was actually looking for a more inspired response... but nobody goes away empty handed... Johnny, tell our departing contestant what he's won!
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post #23 of 42
According to MR, the 2010 MBPs support audio over MDP.
post #24 of 42
According to the Apple Website DisplayPort and HDMI are supported:

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Mini DisplayPort.

The Mini DisplayPort delivers a pure digital connection to external displays even large 30-inch displays quickly and easily. It gives you plug-and-play performance with the Apple LED Cinema Display and supports VGA and DVI, as well as the latest multimedia standards such as DisplayPort and HDMI. (note 6)

Note6: Requires adapters, sold separately.

When can I buy a mini-displayport to displayport adapter then Apple? Its a standard you are supposedly supporting!

No mention of 3rd party adapters either.
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Don't know how long this has been the case but I just noticed that the only Apple display currently in the lineup is the 24" LED Cinema Display.

Does this mean Apple is about to release new display products?
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Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

I bet it is video only and that audio will still be via an optical cable. Apple is kind of retarded that way...

well, bad bet, you're wrong.
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Originally Posted by grandpawes View Post

Monoprice. There is nowhere else.

Is there any way in the world Apple's "first-party solution" will be as cheap as these?

8.55 for an adapter and you can use any HDMI cable (also dirt cheap on monoprice).
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

or

10.37 for a 6 ft miniDP to HDMI male cable.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Nobody's cables are as cheap as those, so why bothering asking? Buy your wires from them, and don't worry about it. The worst thing you can do is buy cables from Apple and think you did yourself a favor.
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Originally Posted by TallPaul View Post

When can I buy a mini-displayport to displayport adapter then Apple? Its a standard you are supposedly supporting!

No mention of 3rd party adapters either.

Huh? You have been able to buy mDP-to-DP cables and adapters for at least a year, maybe two. This is wiring and pins, Apple doesn't need to bless a brand on their site. Just buy something cheap and be done with it.
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10.37 for a 6 ft miniDP to HDMI male cable.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

BTW, mad props to monoprice.com for realizing that some people want actual cables and not just a bunch of ugly 2" connectors.

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I always wondered what the reasoning behind Apple going with mini-display port was in the first place, apart from making huge profits selling adapters which is a direct contradiction to making the Macbook family as slim as possible. What's the point of going slim if you have to constantly tote adapters? HDMI is a far more prevelent standard, carries both picture and sound, and the port is slim enough to cram into the thinnest enclosures.

The same goes for the iMac and cinema displays. You could utilize bluray players (Apple doesn't offer one), and gaming consoles on one screen to consolidate resources. Limiting such gorgeous screens to just computing is just so wasteful... so much for Apple being green.

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I always wondered what the reasoning behind Apple going with mini-display port was in the first place, apart from making huge profits selling adapters which is a direct contradiction to making the Macbook family as slim as possible. What's the point of going slim if you have to constantly tote adapters? HDMI is a far more prevelent standard, carries both picture and sound, and the port is slim enough to cram into the thinnest enclosures.

The same goes for the iMac and cinema displays. You could utilize bluray players (Apple doesn't offer one), and gaming consoles on one screen to consolidate resources. Limiting such gorgeous screens to just computing is just so wasteful... so much for Apple being green.


Read up on DisplayPort. It's clearly the way to go for a computer. And no, their is no requirement to buy adapter from Apple.
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Since Apple could just make the same modification to have hdmi connectivity with sound for the Mac Mini, do people think the rumored hdmi interface on the mini is bogus?

It wouldn't seem to make sense to switch it to hdmi when this type of displayport could give you the same connectivity and more other options...
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Since Apple could just make the same modification to have hdmi connectivity with sound for the Mac Mini, do people think the rumored hdmi interface on the mini is bogus?

It wouldn't seem to make sense to switch it to hdmi when this type of displayport could give you the same connectivity and more other options...

The Mac mini is the only Mac I can see getting a dedicated HDMI port. It already has mDVI and mDP. I can see fading out mDVI. As many of suspected, the rumours of Apple adding HDMI to Macs was them adding audio to DP, which can support all the other signal types.
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Originally Posted by canucklehead View Post

Don't know how long this has been the case but I just noticed that the only Apple display currently in the lineup is the 24" LED Cinema Display.

Does this mean Apple is about to release new display products?

Logic would say so, but when it comes to displays logic and Apple are rarely, if ever on the same page. They like to keep you guessing.

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I always wondered what the reasoning behind Apple going with mini-display port was in the first place, apart from making huge profits selling adapters which is a direct contradiction to making the Macbook family as slim as possible. What's the point of going slim if you have to constantly tote adapters? HDMI is a far more prevelent standard, carries both picture and sound, and the port is slim enough to cram into the thinnest enclosures.

Control. They greatly prefer you spend $900 (or whatever it is in other currencies) on the cadillac of 24" displays.
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I always wondered what the reasoning behind Apple going with mini-display port was in the first place, apart from making huge profits selling adapters which is a direct contradiction to making the Macbook family as slim as possible. What's the point of going slim if you have to constantly tote adapters? HDMI is a far more prevelent standard, carries both picture and sound, and the port is slim enough to cram into the thinnest enclosures.

The same goes for the iMac and cinema displays. You could utilize bluray players (Apple doesn't offer one), and gaming consoles on one screen to consolidate resources. Limiting such gorgeous screens to just computing is just so wasteful... so much for Apple being green.


Parellel ports were prevalent prior to the launch of USB and slower serial ports were prevalent to the launch of faster Parallel technologies. I think you've asked a question that's been answered a hundred times over. New technologies come and supplant older technologies because they are superior (if they wish to survive).

You don't have to tote an adapter if you have a DisplayPort capable display.

DisplayPort also carries picture and sound and the mDP ports are even smaller than HDMI.

I suggest you go to DisplayPort.org, hdmi.org and/or search Wikipedia for information regarding HDMI and DisplayPort and become informed. It's really inexcusable that you have internet access and a wealth of infomation at your fingertips yet stumble over basic questions.
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Logic would say so, but when it comes to displays logic and Apple are rarely, if ever on the same page. They like to keep you guessing.

Logic would also say that it's unlikely for a company to act illogical on such things and Occam's Razor would say that we simply don't have enough information to understand their reasoning.

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Control. They greatly prefer you spend $900 (or whatever it is in other currencies) on the cadillac of 24" displays.

Let me get this straight... They moved from a interface standard known as DVI that shares the same signaling as HDMI to a newer, better, more future-forward, license freeopen-standard created by VESA that is backwards compatible with DVI/HDMI video signaling and now HDMI audio for control? How exactly does that work since Any monitor that accepts DP or DVI/HDMI signaling will work with any Mac with a mDP port?

It's sad that after having the huge DL-DVI ports and then Apple creating the SL-DVI option with mini-DVI for the MacBooks and then micro-DVI for the MBA, we finally have a single port interface standard that will likely be on every Mac and will be the future of quality PC tech until something like LightPeak usurps it with a protocol-nuetral optical standard. Yet people complain that it's not good enough to use the same great technology across the entire product line. People complain despite it being backwards compatible, free and open and adopted by other vendors. If you people had your way we'd still be using VGA or something worse because change is such a bad thing.
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DisplayPort also carries picture and sound and the mDP ports are even smaller than HDMI.

Don't forget data, at speeds 50% faster than USB2.0.
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Don't forget data, at speeds 50% faster than USB2.0.

Here's a good link for people


http://www.displayport.org/retail/?q=content/facts


You know I really hate to be snarky about the this stuff. It just grows tiring. The differentiation is quite easy.

HDMI = consumer electronics.
DisplayPort = computer display.

For example.

4k video over HDMI 1.4 maxes at 24 frame per second because it's tailored for movie playback.
4k display over DP supports 60fps and higher framerates because it's aimed at display tech

We now have a Quad 720p display with the Apple 27" iMac and odds are Quad 1080 are coming to replace the 30"

HDMI simply doesn't have the bandwidth to handle high refresh, high bits per pixel and high resolution. DP is designed to handle these technologies via its roadmap.

It's clear why Apple doesn't put HDMI on computers. DisplayPort makes putting HDMI on a Mac redundant. The niche amount of people that want to put Mac on their HDTV pale in comparison to the people that need a good connector for computer display.
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So has anyone actually tested the new MBPs to validate that audio is being passed from mDP to HDMI without a separate adapter? If so, do they all work or just the 15"/17" models?

Edit: How do we know which cables or connectors are capable of passing audio through to the HDMI connector? http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3065

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Edit: How do we know which cables or connectors are capable of passing audio through to the HDMI connector? http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3065

Answering my own question, from an online chat at Monoprice.com:

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TS - Jonah C (Level 1): (To see a copy of our Chat Privacy policy, please go to the following address, http://solutions.liveperson.com/about/privacy.asp )

TS - Jonah C (Level 1): Thank you for contacting Monoprice Tech Support.

TS - Jonah C (Level 1): My name is Jonah. How may I assist you?

you: Does the Mini DisplayPort Male to HDMI Male 32AWG Cable - 6ft (Product ID 5995) pass audio from the mini-DisplayPort connector through to the HDMI connector? http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3065

TS - Jonah C (Level 1): our adapters do support audio

you: Thanks!

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