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Evidence of possible Apple-branded car kit found in iPhone OS 4

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The pre-release beta of iPhone OS 4 contains a new application that could be used to simply control the device when used in an automobile.

A source contacted TUAW to reveal that the new "iPod out" feature included in iPhone OS 4 can be used with the iPod Accessory Protocol in automobiles. The tipster said the application includes strings entitled "IAPSSimpleRemoteCarButtonNotification" and "IAPSSimpleRemoteCarButtonTypeKey."

The source said that the information suggests the iPod out feature "might be used in an Apple-branded car kit, where the user docks his iPhone or iPod touch and gains access to the onboard audio libraries (no video at this time). The car kit could include both a video screen to show the menus and custom physical buttons that would produce the notifications to allow the user to move through those menus and select from them."

The report also noted that the application also has a potential reference to hands-free phone navigation with the string "kCTCallStatusChangeNotification," suggesting the feature could route incoming calls to the handsfree system and allow a driver to answer without touching their iPhone.

Some third-party car kits are already available for the iPhone and iPod touch, though they do not add a great deal of features to the devices. The most high-profile releases were from navigation company TomTom, which released hardware meant to boost the GPS reception of the iPhone, and add GPS capabilities to the iPod touch.

The user also provided a video of what the current interface with the iPod out feature:



The iPod out functionality was one of more than 100 features revealed last week by Apple, when the Cupertino, Calif., company introduced its forthcoming iPhone mobile operating system software update. The first major and likely most anticipated feature introduced was multitasking.
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Not sure what this is a video of, looks like standard iPod screen.
post #3 of 27
Could be just an API for others to make the kit and connect to.
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post #4 of 27
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Not sure what this is a video of, looks like standard iPod screen.

Looks like a video out to me. I didn't notice any touch controls on the display.
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post #5 of 27
What shows it could be an Apple branded carkit?

Just curious because it's not fully explained in this article.
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What shows it could be an Apple branded carkit?

Just curious because it's not fully explained in this article.

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A source contacted TUAW to reveal that the new "iPod out" feature included in iPhone OS 4 can be used with the iPod Accessory Protocol in automobiles. The tipster said the application includes strings entitled "IAPSSimpleRemoteCarButtonNotification" and "IAPSSimpleRemoteCarButtonTypeKey."
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post #7 of 27
Maybe I'm daft but I can't see any relevance to the video. The article would have been just as clear without it.
post #8 of 27
Just bought a brand new iMac i5... DOA

just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone is considering buying one... they are still shit and plagued with problems. This one was manufactured in week 9 of this year.
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Just bought a brand new iMac i5... DOA

just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone is considering buying one... they are still shit and plagued with problems. This one was manufactured in week 9 of this year.

Check this poster's history. He/she has never had anything good to say about Apple, labeled Snow Leopard a disaster, and has gone on and on criticizing every move Apple ever made. Do you really expect us to believe that you ran out and bought a new iMac?

Trolldom has sunk to a new low.
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post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by rain View Post

Just bought a brand new iMac i5... DOA

just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone is considering buying one... they are still shit and plagued with problems. This one was manufactured in week 9 of this year.

a) What the heck are you complaining about when you use the term 'DOA' and then say 'plagued with problems'? Can you be more specific, so that there is some useful information content to your post?

b) What does this have to do with a car kit?
post #11 of 27
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Just bought a brand new iMac i5... DOA

just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone is considering buying one... they are still shit and plagued with problems. This one was manufactured in week 9 of this year.

No problem dude, Apple will replace it immediately. Assuming you bought it from an authorized dealer.
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No problem dude, Apple will replace it immediately. Assuming you bought it from an authorized dealer.

Maybe it's actually a Dell, but he was wishing really, really hard that it'd turn into a Mac.

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post #13 of 27
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Just bought a brand new iMac i5... DOA

just thought i'd throw that out there if anyone is considering buying one... they are still shit and plagued with problems. This one was manufactured in week 9 of this year.

Take a picture of it with your left hand in front of it making the "ok" sign and post here or you are full of it and will close your account -- deal?????
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post #14 of 27
I was "this close" to buying the TomTom cradle simply because they claim to handle all that and nav.

There is NOTHING out there that really works for a car kit with my 3GS... my old 2G used to work OK, but it really is pretty bad now... why do we need 2 plugs? Just one (ipod connector) should be adequate.
post #15 of 27
Let's just hope that it's not a proprietary API or restricts the iPhone from connecting to 3rd party kits as it does now... They wouldn't do that would they?!
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Check this poster's [rain] history. He/she has never had anything good to say about Apple, labeled Snow Leopard a disaster, and has gone on and on criticizing every move Apple ever made. Do you really expect us to believe that you ran out and bought a new iMac?

Trolldom has sunk to a new low.

Totally agree.

Amazing that these guys think that we are so stupid that we can't spot them.
post #17 of 27
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I was "this close" to buying the TomTom cradle simply because they claim to handle all that and nav.

Could you elaborate?

I got the TomTom Car Kit and everything they claimed works.

Actually, I am amazed how good it really is. Use it all the time particularly with Dragon Dictation Great combo.
post #18 of 27
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Could you elaborate?

I got the TomTom Car Kit and everything they claimed works.

Actually, I am amazed how good it really is. Use it all the time particularly with Dragon Dictation Great combo.

not OP but I sort of feel the same. I had FM transmitters and such that cannot charge my 3GS (the whole fw/USB thing) so I was looking at a good dock, hearing great things about the TomTom dock. But I want more than just NAV, I would like one similar but designed for iPod Out, Hands Free, etc. I would love for other companies to make a full featured dock. The 3rd party device controls are already there, so maybe now with these new iPod out APIs (and the new multitasking) they can do more.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

Could be just an API for others to make the kit and connect to.

Totally agree with you 8 Core.... There's nothing in here that points to a car kit from Apple... What would be a HUNDRED times more poweful, would be APIs that anyone could use.

Could you imagine?! You're in you car, and instead of fumbling with your iPhone to control the music.... The cars dashboard interface could control everything..... Skip tracks, load playlists.... Search for songs.... I know BMW has done a lot of work with Apple... Haing some kind of standards for this would be SO powerful though.....a seemless experience.
post #20 of 27
I would just like to ask if the article writer thought about third party systems which already offer integration?

Ford's SYNC technology (that uses a microsoft back-end platform) works well with iPod's but there are plenty of other features that they could expand to. Also with thier new MyFord Touch technology, I'm sure that these API's offer better integration for such features and expand that of the rear-entertainment systems of vehicles and allowing such third party systems to see graphic artwork.

I tend to think that these new API's are for these features... Especially since SYNC is occasionally experiencing indexing issues with some of the iPod Touch and iPhones out on the market. Ford's universal direction to expending on the technology forefront in thier vehicles and integration with third party vendors are where this realy stems from.
post #21 of 27
It looks a lot like the iPod 30pin interface on my Alpine car deck from a few years back.
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post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post

Apple should do MUCH more with the physical aspects of the iPhone. They are touted as seamlessly integrating hardware and software, and yet the iPhone is missing LOTS of such integration.

Take the Nexus One, for example. Plug it into the car dock, and it turns into a GPS system. Plug it into the bedside dock, and it turns into a bedside companion with alarm clock, radio, etc.

Why is Apple leaving iPhone users in the dust? The 30 pin connector has a lot of capabilities, and is not being used to the benefit of Apple owners.

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Try that with your Nexus One.
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Apple should do MUCH more with the physical aspects of the iPhone. They are touted as seamlessly integrating hardware and software, and yet the iPhone is missing LOTS of such integration.

Take the Nexus One, for example. Plug it into the car dock, and it turns into a GPS system. Plug it into the bedside dock, and it turns into a bedside companion with alarm clock, radio, etc.

Why is Apple leaving iPhone users in the dust? The 30 pin connector has a lot of capabilities, and is not being used to the benefit of Apple owners.

The Nexus One has a lot of great strenghts (IMO, the best being the alert system and customization of the home screen). I feel like Apple has been cautious and a bit slow and DOES have some ground to make up at this point... I'm psyched about the 4.0 addtions and feel like their moving in the right direction... I would actually NOT list your points as particular strenghts... It's funny... Being thought of as so "open" I actually dislike the idea of these docs that force your phone into a particular mode. Often in my car I open the iPod first to select a playlist before the GPS...Personally I like the control. On an iPhone you can get a GPS app, you can get desk clock app as well....I don't see the Nexus One having any advantage here.

The real threat in what you mentioned is actually the software....the GPS Navigator that Google is simply giving away for free... I would be very nervous if I were a stock holder in Tomtom or Garmin.....so much for "Don't be evil". SJ was right about Google....

I actually feel like the 30 pin connector is something that slowed Apple down (USB is so much more widespread). What I'm most excited about in 4.0 is how Bluetooth is opening up.... They're now allowing external, fullsize keyboards to link with the phone....I'm never using my laptop again!
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The real threat in what you mentioned is actually the software....the GPS Navigator that Google is simply giving away for free... I would be very nervous if I were a stock holder in Tomtom or Garmin.....so much for "Don't be evil". SB was right about Google....

I actually feel like the 30 pin connector is something that slowed Apple down (USB is so much more widespread). What I'm most excited about in 4.0 is how Bluetooth is opening up.... They're now allowing external, fullsize keyboards to link with the phone....I'm never using my laptop again!


The 30 pin connector is fine as USB - the adapter comes free with the phone.

I agree, though, that the software included with the Nexus One is a significant advantage for Android.
post #25 of 27
I'm confused by the significance of this. My Ford has a USB port. I plug in my iPhone 3GS running 3.1.3 and the car takes control of the iPod functionality. Bluetooth handles the Phone functionality.

Ok, admittedly I either rely on the Bluetooth Audio or a mini-jack cable to input the audio. So perhaps this is about audio output via USB.
post #26 of 27
I'm just looking at car kits now. For me the challenge is that I really need two docks, or some kind of smart pass-through.

Car kits made for a specific car allow the iPhone to connect to the car's head unit's CD changer port. This allows full control of the iPhone's iPod through the console and steering wheel, including selecting playlists and seeing track names on the car's console. They also take the superior digital audio signal. All very nice, via the iPhone's dock.

Then you have a car kit like the TomTom one, which uses the dock itself and expects you to connect the audio via the headphone socket - losing all that nice synergy with the car's native systems.

I want both. Perhaps for the Apple car kit to replicate the dock which can then talk to the car-specific car kit.

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post #27 of 27
What if it's a car kit for the iPad ???!!!

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