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New MacBook Pros off to strong start, 13-inch model selling out

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Demand for Apple's newly upgraded line of MacBook Pro notebooks was strong on the first day, with scattered reports of the low-end 13-inch model selling out in some retail locations. Also, Apple has already issued a software update for the 15- and 17-inch models.

Analyst Maynard Um with UBS Investment research said checks with various Apple stores indicated that the Mac maker is sold out of the new 13-inch MacBook Pro model, introduced Tuesday. The Core 2 Duo-equipped machine has the Nvidia GeForce 320M, a graphics processor created especially for Apple's new low-end MacBook Pro machine.

"Apple should benefit from the refresh," Um said of Tuesday's upgrades, " as it positions it for share gains heading into the education spending & back to school season, & we see (continued) Mac momentum as a key driver of upside to (estimates)."

The 13-inch MacBook Pro is available in two configurations: one with a 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and 250GB hard drive priced at $1,199; and one with a 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and 320GB hard drive priced at $1,499. It has graphics 80 percent faster than its predecessor, and offers an Apple-estimated 10 hours of battery life.

Um said he has also found that some stores are out of stock of iPads, supporting the announcement made earlier Wednesday by Apple, that a hardware shortage would delay the device's international launch until late May. The analyst said this news means it is likely his estimate of 1.2 million iPads sold in the June quarter will likely prove conservative, depending on manufacturing constraints.

"Longer term, we maintain our view that Apple is working on a foundation for a service to provide seamless access/mobility of content across its products," he wrote. "We envision a service that allows access to media-focused content of iTunes, user generated content of MobileMe & social networking integration from any Apple product. We believe this will be the service that will be the draw (halo) that drives additional sales."

Supporting Um's findings of constrained notebook supplies, AppleInsider's checks with authorized resellers has found that while the high-end 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro models are in stock, none have the 13-inch model available, and stock of the low-end 15-inch MacBook Pro is limited. Pricing and availability can be found in the Mac Pricing Guide, included below:



Apple this week already issued the first software update for its just-released mid-2010 MacBook Pro models. The update applies to those who bought the new 15- and 17-inch models, and contains improvements for graphics stability for high-performance video and gaming applications. It also includes various bug fixes, according to Apple. The 258.32MB download, entitled "MacBook Pro Software Update 1.3," is available for download direct from Apple.
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Hmmm?

Should one take this to mean that there's less interest in the Core 2010 versions?

One would have reasoned that the i5/i7 versions would have been the more desirable ones...
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post #3 of 68
Macs always do well.

The critics know nothing.
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As with all higher end MBP's its the price that isn desirable. People will pay 1200.00 for a notebook but for a 17" with a core i7 to pay 3000.00 with Applecare is insane.

I just paid 3.8k for the 15" without applecare :]
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As with all higher end MBP's its the price that isn desirable. People will pay 1200.00 for a notebook but for a 17" with a core i7 to pay 3000.00 with Applecare is insane.

If you're buying a 17-inch Core i7 with Applecare, chances are its for your own business or your employer's picking up some or most of the cost.

The 17-inch model is for those who spend hours a day working with media applications such as Apple's Pro apps or the Adobe's CS, in order to make money.
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As with all higher end MBP's its the price that isn desirable. People will pay 1200.00 for a notebook but for a 17" with a core i7 to pay 3000.00 with Applecare is insane.


compare the price with the HP Envy. the HP has better graphics, but once you add in the extra battery it's the same price or maybe a bit less than Apple. and who would you trust with that much money if you need support? going to the genius bar and speaking English to someone? or calling 5000 miles away and fighting the battle of the script for 2 hours after being on hold for another 2 hours?

i just had my 3GS exchanged and it took me 20 minutes in the Apple store including the wait time
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My 15" high res w/ 500GB 7200 RPM didn't ship yet

I ordered it a few hours after announcement I really hope I get it by this weekend for a conference.
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Has anyone seen a hands on review of the new 2.4gig 13 incher? I'm wondering how significant the perf boost is compared to the old one?
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At my company, we ordered 2 of the i7 15inch.
Nice machine.
Might upgrade them later with some Intel SSDs.. :

We develop for Microsoft, but everyone uses Apple.
Can't beat that hardware.
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Dell is one of the worst brand out there

"Apple people have no objectivity when it comes to criticism of Apple.." Lenovo X1 Carbon is out..bye bye MBAir

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The hardware is fairly low-end for media professionals.

the only difference between nvidia's consumer geforce chips and the "pro" quadro chips is the name, driver and the price
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You can't beat the quality of Apple computers. They last a long time and can upgrade to a new OS several times. I have the 2007 highest version 15" MBP with LED back lit which is now running SL. It is still going strong and does everything I need which is a bit of a bummer because I can't rationally justify buying a new one. At least I have express card which I do use for 3G.

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The 17-inch model is for those who spend hours a day working with media applications such as Apple's Pro apps or the Adobe's CS, in order to make money.

The hardware is fairly low-end for media professionals.

Why oh why, don't these stupid Mac users, especially media professionals, listen to technical experts, like Josh.B. He knows everything about Macs and PCs.

Macs low-end, PCs high-end. It is all that matters and all you need to know -- the PC buyer's guide according to Josh B.

CGC
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Hmmm?

Should one take this to mean that there's less interest in the Core 2010 versions?

One would have reasoned that the i5/i7 versions would have been the more desirable ones...

Wait just one darn minute. Mac sites are reporting that Steve Jobs is personally defending the Core 2 Duo choice for the 13". The geek squads are apoplectic over the 13". Forums are full of 13" death knells and epic fail comments.

So how is it possible that the 13" is selling out? I think I know the answer.
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Apparently the Macbook Pro listed for $1687.79 on MacMall's site at this link: http://www.macmall.com/p/product~dpn...PINSDRMWB24900 and in the table provided in the article is a typo?
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The hardware is fairly low-end for media professionals.

It has its place. Some people like the potability for freelancing and working from home. I agree that it is not as powerful as a Mac Pro, which I use all day long. I don't like working hours on end on a MBP. The angle and position of the screen is not that ergonomic. Also the keyboard is not as easy for functions and numeric input.

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Apple misunderestimated demand.

Another hilarious GWB-ism.

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I was thinking of the mid-range CPU. I know less about the GPU.

Is the GPU and the memory for it in the 17" MBP a high-end solution? I heard it was a disappointment, but I'm no expert.

Please tell me all about the high-end graphics built into the MBP.

in the big picture it's a mid to low range

with nvidia the way they do it is the same as intel. the best GPU's get labeled as the most expensive model. those with manufacturing errors get circuits disabled and labeled as lower end products
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Originally Posted by cgc0202;1612689
Macs low-end, PCs high-end. It is all that matters and all you need to know --
the PC buyer's guide according to Josh B.

CGC

No need to be nasty.

Do you maintain that the 17" MBP constitutes high-end hardware?

Already answered indirectly by an insane Mac owner, in response to another:

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As with all higher end MBP's its the price that isn desirable. People will pay 1200.00 for a notebook but for a 17" with a core i7 to pay 3000.00 with Applecare is insane.

I just paid 3.8k for the 15" without applecare :]

But obviously, you did not get the nuance in the response***. Thus, my retort. Shall I explain what was implied in the aforementioned statement from an insane Mac owner? Better still, I will let others clafiry the point.

"The Zune is considered by some as high end, relative to the iPod."

CGC

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You could have spend $3899.00.

What did you leave out?
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I just paid 3.8k for the 15" without applecare :]

I am sure you got a sweet machine for that - did you get the solid state drive?

Does the "fat" in fatfred refer to the size of your wallet?

I am going to get a 15, hopefully this weekend, but will probably end up paying around $2k for it. I just can't justify spending more (on my income). I think it would be really sweet to have a solid state disk.

Note: this post intended to be humorous, no offense intended...
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Why oh why, don't these stupid Mac users, especially media professionals, listen to technical experts, like Josh.B. He knows everything about Macs and PCs.

Macs low-end, PCs high-end. It is all that matters and all you need to know -- the PC buyer's guide according to Josh B.

CGC

It's more like a passage from the book of Teckstud. Sad that he spends all his time trolling on AI instead of doing something with his life.
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Aren't you satisfied with your previous macbook(mac pro, mini, i)? Most probably you love it. So why you bitch about apple not including the top of the line hardware in the new range? Do you think apple went wrong? Most likely not.

P.S. Imagine the price, the weight and no battery life if the top hardware was included
P.P.S. And if you aren't satisfied with your mac leave the mac forum and buy yourself a nice PC.
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Why do you say that? Do you have any basis for what you stated?

Sure he does, Josh. It's called a personal opinion. You seem as if this is surprising to you. And that is surprising in itself; given that everything you post is simply YOUR own opinion. The funny thing is; why you think anybody cares about yours?

My opinion?... You are actually a troll. Just my opinion.
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Production is less than demand. Apple misunderestimated demand.

That's not so hard.

Is "misunderestimated" even a word? Not according to Dictionary.com.

Anyways, according to critics like yourself, supply should be quite adequate since nobody in their right mind would buy a 13" given the pitiful specs and lack of an i5.
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Dell just refreshed the Business Latitude line. It got some media mentions, but it really is no big deal:

"Dell Latitude E-Family Refresh
Dell this week launched new enhancements to its Latitude line of business notebooks. The PCs include the latest Intel Core i5 and Core i7 processors, fast DDR3 memory, HD displays and new colors. Dell also has bolstered data protection, asset monitoring and remote management to complement the new PCs."

The sort of refresh Apple did usually happens when the new tech is available, rather than months later. And the prices of the newer, better machines usually goes down, rather than up.

When are the mods going to DO THEIR JOB and get rid of this guy? I got news for you, JB, if you think you're being clever by posting a "thinly veiled commercial" about a competitor on an Apple fansite and trying to disguise it by saying it's no big deal ... you're wrong. But there are two things that I don't understand: .... One, How low can a competitor go when they have to have people like you populate an Apple fansite to bash Apple (shouldn't they just try making better products?) ... and two: How can the mods not see this person for what he is ..... or do they just don't give a damn?
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post #26 of 68
Nearly purchased a 13" Macbook Pro 2.5xGHz model last week, held back on the rumours that updated machines were being introduced and decided to go with the 2.66GHz model. None of the several Apple Stores I spoke to had received this model, and don't expect any before the weekend.

Does this mean that the 2.66 is popular and being offered to US customers first (as with the iPad)?

OR

Maybe Apple itself just hasn't taken delivery of these yet?

It is possible that Apple is sending the new 13" models out to those who ordered last week?
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Oh heck...... looks like trolls have hijacked an AI thread again.... bye...
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This was nothing really different from what every other notebook maker does every few months.

The only thing notable about it is that Apple does it infrequently. And the hardware is falling further behind the competition.

Yes Apple is doomed as someone keeps saying in jest here. It's about the OS as well as hardware. The so called competition's profitability and market cap also tell a story.

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Why do you say that? Do you have any basis for what you stated?

Yeah. They're sh**. That's the basis.

EDIT: and I see the little "banned" tag we all knew was coming. Shocker.
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Well I know in the world of Apple the i7 17 inch is high end. However for those of use that are also use to the Windows world its not. I have been using a quad core in my notebook for over a year now.

What I have also always found interesting about Apple is screen size is also linked with power and performance. As an example why can't a 13" MBP have a high end core i5.

Its not out of the question that someone would want a very high end processor and GPU in a smaller form factor.

the 13" Envy is a C2D as well. Reason is that the i Core CPUs have the Intel graphics in the same package as the CPU. makes it larger and harder to put in a smaller laptop that will also have it's own discrete graphics.

with Nvidia the 330M is probably in the same chip as the chipset
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I am sure you got a sweet machine for that - did you get the solid state drive?

Does the "fat" in fatfred refer to the size of your wallet?

I am going to get a 15, hopefully this weekend, but will probably end up paying around $2k for it. I just can't justify spending more (on my income). I think it would be really sweet to have a solid state disk.

Note: this post intended to be humorous, no offense intended...

No worries, I can take it! Wouldn't put it in my name if I was offended by such comments :]

Haha, it refers to me being overweight once and at the same time a nickname of one of my former favorite football players who has the same name as me. But my wallet most certainly lost some weight today!

Yeah I took the small SolidState ... I hope I can manage with 128GB and then continue to use extern HDs for storage.

I also picked the Hi-Res Glossy - heard mixed opinions about glossy. But when are you working outside directly in the sun - that is not a very nice work environment anyways. And with all my previous anti-glare laptops, it's not like the sun has no effect on them. So I hope I made the right choice!
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Hmmm?

Should one take this to mean that there's less interest in the Core 2010 versions?

One would have reasoned that the i5/i7 versions would have been the more desirable ones...

What you are missing is that battery life is huge for many users of the 13" MBP. Especially if Apple can deliver better performance in an app around faster machine. One common user that would see a huge upside to the new machines is the average student. There are certainly some students that need a powerful machine but what many need is portability.

Besides that the likely candidate CPU beyound Core 2, in the 13", would likely be the i3 which isn't in mass production and doesn't offer a lot of advantages over Core 2. I3 also hass the massive disadvantage of the integrated Intel GPU.

For a good performing low end machine Apple made the right choices in my mind. They focused on the things that make a huge difference to users, that is the GPU, RAM and other details external to the CPU. It will be interesting to see performance numbers comparing this rev to the last, I suspect people will be pleasantly surprised.

Basically in the 13" MBP Apple offers a smartly performing machine with fantastic battery life. This is a good deal. In comparison to Apples new top end machines it is an even better deal because Apple can't be bothered to put in a top end GPU system in any of it's notebooks. Basically you only have one GPU to choose from in the 15 & 17" machines.


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Macs always do well.

The critics know nothing.

Regarding your sig - I tried the HTML 5 Video, and it looked like complete crap. I'm no fan of flash - but HTML has a way to go if the youtube beta is anything to go by.
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Understand that point and it is much easier to understand Apples line up.
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Well I know in the world of Apple the i7 17 inch is high end. However for those of use that are also use to the Windows world its not. I have been using a quad core in my notebook for over a year now.

Not with good battery life.
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What I have also always found interesting about Apple is screen size is also linked with power and performance. As an example why can't a 13" MBP have a high end core i5.

Because of a number of reasons but most importantly it would keep Apple from producing a machine that meets the primary needs of its most common users. The 13" is a high mobility battery powered machine. It isn't for the power user.
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Its not out of the question that someone would want a very high end processor and GPU in a smaller form factor.

Certainly that is possible but what would you end up with after building such a machine? Would that machine be marketable to Apples primary customer base? Remember Apple sells these things by the hundreds of millions to students and the like who care more about portability and long life on a battery charge. Not to mention how hot a 13" machine would get with all of that high performance hardware installed.

Your position is not totally unreasonable especially when applied to the larger MBP. In fact I think it is a much stronger arguement in the context of the 17" MBP. Here you have a machine that can directly leverage a higher end GPU yet every MBP with a descrete GPU uses the same model. That sucks much more than the limitations we see in the 13" model. In my mind your arguement is more valid at the top of the line.

What will be more interesting in my mind is seeing what Apple does in six to eight months for an upgrade. By that time Intel should have a firm grasp on production of it's 32nm notebook chips and hopefully something more suitable for the 13" machine. Maybe at that time we could get the hybrid approach. Sadly Intel doesn't have a low power solution that at the same time produces good graphics results.


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I was waiting for the 13" MBP to get an i5 update so I could sell my 15" MBP but I guess that won't happen this year. I'm stunned in two ways, one in that Apple used a 2+ year old cpu which probably won't even be produced much longer & two, that the 13" MBP is selling out. I find it hard to believe that people will pay for a processor that is really considered old technology now. I'm really stuck, unless someone finds a nice 13" that can we can install Snow Leopard on I'm not buying anything. Oh Well. Guess I'll just keep plugging away on my G5 Mac Pro, 15" 2008 Core2Duo MBP & 2010 Dell Mini 10v OSX.
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I was waiting for the 13" MBP to get an i5 update so I could sell my 15" MBP but I guess that won't happen this year. I'm stunned in two ways, one in that Apple used a 2+ year old cpu which probably won't even be produced much longer & two, that the 13" MBP is selling out. I find it hard to believe that people will pay for a processor that is really considered old technology now. I'm really stuck, unless someone finds a nice 13" that can we can install Snow Leopard on I'm not buying anything. Oh Well. Guess I'll just keep plugging away on my G5 Mac Pro, 15" 2008 Core2Duo MBP & 2010 Dell Mini 10v OSX.

You're 'stunned' because others don't follow your purchase preferences/habits? Yikes, talk about arrogance.
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Regarding your sig - I tried the HTML 5 Video, and it looked like complete crap. I'm no fan of flash - but HTML has a way to go if the youtube beta is anything to go by.

What about the HTML was crap? The video quality is the same regardless since it's H.264 in Flash or HTML5. The controls are JavaScript. The benefit of using HTMl5 over Flash comes down to the load on your system. The benefits of Flash over HTML5 is that the code to give you all the features of Flash, including Full Screen, haven't yet arrived.
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post #38 of 68
I ordered my 13 inch yesterday at 6:07 AM PST and the page said 24 hours. After I confirmed the order email and checked status it now said to ship in 2-4 days. So the status was not correct from the minute the MacBook Pro 13 went on sale. I have no idea when it will ship now.
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I was waiting for the 13" MBP to get an i5 update so I could sell my 15" MBP but I guess that won't happen this year. I'm stunned in two ways, one in that Apple used a 2+ year old cpu which probably won't even be produced much longer & two, that the 13" MBP is selling out. I find it hard to believe that people will pay for a processor that is really considered old technology now. I'm really stuck, unless someone finds a nice 13" that can we can install Snow Leopard on I'm not buying anything. Oh Well. Guess I'll just keep plugging away on my G5 Mac Pro, 15" 2008 Core2Duo MBP & 2010 Dell Mini 10v OSX.

Are there any moderators who can create a questionary for AI users for all of us to answer our primarily use of MBP?

People talk about powerful processors as of an obsolete tech. My bet is that around 50% of mac users do not do more demanding tasks than running iTunes and Flash vids on internet. You simply do not need a powerful top of the line chip to check email and work in Microsoft Office of iWork (actually for Office some times it seems this thing wants a machine out of the dream to start up fast)
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Apple this week already issued the first software update for its just-released mid-2010 MacBook Pro models. The update applies to those who bought the new 15- and 17-inch models, .

good. cause before it was release the machines and the software 3-5 days later. would have been nicer if the right software was on the machines however. Also, curious that the system doesn't do an auto check during the start up stuff. would be a nice touch since some folks aren't so savvy to guess that maybe they aren't up to date or are switchers and don't yet know how

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Hmmm?

Should one take this to mean that there's less interest in the Core 2010 versions?

One would have reasoned that the i5/i7 versions would have been the more desirable ones...

the 13s are mostly students and low end users. The students will wait to see if there's a back to school like the last couple of years.

the 15 inch and 17 inch are what the professionals and geeks want so they will grab them over the next handful of weeks.

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As with all higher end MBP's its the price that isn desirable. People will pay 1200.00 for a notebook but for a 17" with a core i7 to pay 3000.00 with Applecare is insane.

It's only insane if folks won't buy it.

Heck some folks could say that $900 for Photoshop is insane. But all those professionals that have made it the de facto standard in graphics will pay that price so of course Adobe isn't thinking about lowering it.

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