Violence in Israel/Palestine - Page 7

[quote]Originally posted by New:
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Why don't you attack my arguments, and not my english...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually I did. Think about it again ...
You're using a subjective measure to get at an empirical fact.

mika.

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

"The true enemy of Arab is not Jew, the true enemy of Black is not White; the true enemy of all is dull-mindedness.

Tom Robbins

I'm considering this for my new siganture

[quote] Here are some number I dug up:

In 1968, Jewish historian Maxime Rodinson wrote that

"the Arab population of Palestine was native in all the usual senses of the word" (Rodinson, M., Israel and the Arabs, Penguin, 1968, p. 216).

Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946

Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total

1870 367,224 (98%) 7,000 (2%) 375,000
1893 469,000 (98%) 10,000 (2%) 497,000
1912 525,000 (93%) 40,000 (6%) 565,000
1920 542,000 (90%) 61,000 (10%) 603,000
1925 598,000 (83%) 120,000 (17%) 719,000
1930 763,000 (82%) 165,000 (18%) 928,000
1935 886,000 (71%) 355,000 (29%) 1,241,000
1940 1,014,000 (69%) 463,000 (31%) 1,478,000
1946 1,237,000 (65%) 608,000 (35%) 1,845,000
<hr></blockquote>

So I changed the words, care to comment on the numbers? or the quote, or any of the other arguments?

[quote]Originally posted by New:
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So I changed the words, care to comment on the numbers? or the quote, or any of the other arguments?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How about we use todays numbers. Or better yet, tomorrows numbers. Jews (100%) Arabs (0%). And tomorrow is geting closer and closer. You can take that to the history books.


mika.

Listen New, what you fail to understand is that no matter how many obstacles you put in our way, we will always try to make it to our homeland. Its like the Salmon fish going back. 2000 years of exile with all the history behind it did not stop us, and neither are a bunch of Arabs and their sympathizers.


mika.

I was showing how your claims where wrong, and I can see you have no answer, only a call for ethnic cleansing...

Actually the Salmon is getting extinct... They all come from "fish-farms" now...

[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: New ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by New:
<strong>And the jews won it from...?</strong><hr></blockquote>Who did originally have Palestine? I mean originally.

I thought the Hebrews came from Egypt with Moses, and took Palestine from the Canaanites (yeah, I was watching the Ten Commandments last night).

Palestine means land of Philistines, who were Greek. Maybe the Greeks want it back?

Well, you're getting good at copying fabricated facts. But these are not even your own arguments, and frankly it's getting tedious pointing out those fabrications.


mika.

I don't think ANY one wants that piece of land back. Better it stays in the hands of the Israelis.

Philistines, who were Phoenicians, came much later. (David and Goliath - much later history)


mika.

[quote] Well, you're getting good at copying fabricated facts. But these are not even your own arguments, and frankly it's getting tedious pointing out those fabrications. <hr></blockquote>

What are you talking about? Ofcourse they are not my numbers, I wasn't there to count the arabs and jews in 1920...
If you have better sources, then please enlighten me... You are still just attacking me, and not my arguments...

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You are still just attacking me, and not my arguments


?!?!
What is your argument? There were so many Palestinians there, why didn't they create their own state? Your numbers show a 2:1 advantage to the Arabs. And with an additional five armies attacking, it just doesn't make sense.


mika

[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>Philistines, who were Phoenicians, came much later. (David and Goliath - much later history)</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I know, I was just being phoenicious.

But here's what I don't get - you say you have a right to return to all these lands. Where does that right come from? Are you talking about the promised land based on God's promise? If so, that wouldn't exactly stand up in court, if you know what I mean.

If it comes from somewhere else, please explain.

You've been claiming there really was no palestinian population in palestine, and that there is no difference between the arab people... I'm saying the opposit...

You wrote this, remember?:

[quote]You were upset Nick, that I didnt refer to the Arabs in these areas as Palestinians. This is because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There never was. You can go back thousands of years. You'll never find it. This is modern invention by Arab propagandists. I read the history books Nick. I know what Im talking about.<hr></blockquote>

and this:

[quote]And like I said before - look at the houses. They are not more than 50 years old.
The Turks pretty much emptied that land of inhabitants during their rein when they cut down all the wood in that area. It wasnt until the Zionist movement began, and as they started to bring back life to the land, that that area became populated again. As more Jews populated that land, more Arabs arrived due to the increased economic viability of the area.<hr></blockquote>

both very untrue statements...

brain wash.....

I think the best value of PC^KILLA on this forum is to inform people of the feelings of the extreme Right wing (now in power) of Israel.
They hate all arabs and want them dead. They want as much palestinian land as they can get no matter how they get it.

How ironic, the Extreme Palestine wing wants all Jews dead. They also want as much of Israel as they can get their hands on.

its anti-arabizm (is there a word for this?) vs anti-semitism. And by god they both need to lose and lose fast.

[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: thentro ]</p>

Nick:
I could have said the same thing about you you sound like somebody who has been brainwashed by his parents or something, just like your buddy steve666.

Unlike you, I have the mental capacity to filter out whats real or not from the news. You, on the other hand, are so clueless that if you formed an actual intelligent argument it would shock us all...............................

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Yeah, I know, I was just being phoenicious.



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But here's what I don't get - you say you have a right to return to all these lands. Where does that right come from? Are you talking about the promised land based on God's promise? If so, that wouldn't exactly stand up in court, if you know what I mean.

The roman overran Judea in the early years of the 2nd last millennia. The Romans tried very hard to erase all memory of the Jews and even renamed that area as a final insult. Jews who were not forced into martyrdom in the roman amphitheaters, were forced into slavery. It has taken a long time to recover from that devastation, and there were many others that followed. But we never lost our aspiration to regain our homeland and we never renounced our claim to it our national birth right. The Romans were the aggressors, and all successive rulers of our land were basically thieves who stole from thieves who stole from thieves and just because a stolen property has been passed around many times, does not make it any less of a stolen property.


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You've been claiming there really was no palestinian population in palestine, and that there is no difference between the arab people... I'm saying the opposit... both very untrue statements..

Let me finish that statement for you. both very untrue statements according to Arab mythologists.


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They hate all arabs and want them dead. They want as much palestinian land as they can get no matter how they get it.


Kinda jumping the gun are we not thentro? To say I want them all dead, and to say that I dont care how, is rather slanderous. I dont want them dead. I want them out. And I did make it clear that I dont believe a purely military solution is the way to go here. You need to cut them off from the economic engine that is Israel. Theyll leave on their own.


mika.

[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

&gt;The UN decieds, Isreal needs to stop ignoring UN resolutions... The have to date ignored more resolutions than Iraq...&lt;

The UN formed Israel. Tell the Arabs to pay more attention to the UN for a change. Israel would have stopped right there if they weren't attacked. Israel won, many times DEAL WITH IT. I don't see too many victors trying to sign a peace treaty and giving back land they lost-especially to people who started the war in the first place.

As for the suicide bombings, except for the parents of the latest suicidal bitch who blew herself up, every single parent of the other suicide bombers declared themselves proud of their homicidal children. They also hoped that their other children would become 'martyrs' for the cause. Its impossible to search for peace with raging homicidal, suicidal lunatics........................

brain wash.....

Yes but it applies to the anti-jew sentiment in this thread.

I think the best value of PC^KILLA on this forum is to inform people of the feelings of the extreme Right wing (now in power) of Israel.
They hate all arabs and want them dead. They want as much palestinian land as they can get no matter how they get it.

If Israel really wanted all arabs dead they are going about it all wrong. That's because they DON'T want all the arabs gone. They just want them to leave them alone. But the won/t. Because the fact is that alll the people in the Arab lands that have the power want the jews dead.

How ironic, the Extreme Palestine wing wants all Jews dead. They also want as much of Israel as they can get their hands on.

its anti-arabizm (is there a word for this?) vs anti-semitism. And by god they both need to lose and lose fast.

This part is the most correct part. Sorry thentro but you come off as a real jew hater. Someone that proclaims himself to be open-minded an worldly but deep down just hates and resents those dirty jews.

I didn't mean that last part ( about you being a jew-hater), but I typed it to prove a point that most of the opinions formed by a person to another will never be publicly admitted like above. But that doesn't mean it wont be formed in the mind.

you jewboys need some raghead friends in the worst way...

cuss

i'm not jewish, but thanks for asking! Here's a picture of me below. maybe we can relate?



[ 04-01-2002: Message edited by: Outsider ]</p>

that'd be hilarious, if it'd open.

i'm a figgern yer black? if so, you can stay... we'll keep the blacks, mexicans and the arabs... but we don't want any germans, irish or french...

we'll keep only the jews who aren't racists. those who don't believe that shit about them being history's most-downtrodden... that whole anti-semitism being more cruel than anti-arabism.... sure, you got the last half of the last century covered... but my redass got that shiz whooped the three centuries before.

out! nope, all peckerwoods must go!

cuz

oh,

ya fixeded it...

too white, so white it hurts...

cuss


p.s. out peck... you gotsta go.

See that picture up there? that's me taking you and all your peckerhead buddies up to meet your maker... without a space suit, sucka!

DON'T BE FRONTIN'...

you like king peck 'er sumpin'...


cuss

p.s. out damn ya!

ok this is getting strange. First the (Southern?) Slang
peckerhead-
"A peckerhead is a dumb white person, a hillbilly. "
and raghead is an arab. ( I knew that one)

[quote] I didn't mean that last part ( about you being a jew-hater), but I typed it to prove a point that most of the opinions formed by a person to another will never be publicly admitted like above. But that doesn't mean it wont be formed in the mind. <hr></blockquote>

Is that in your mind? If I have to defend my Jewish relations I will. I am just angry at the government of Israel for what they are doing to the Palestinian people. It is wrong what they are doing and I think that life for both sides would be better if Israel would remove its settlers and start working with ( <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> ) the arab world towards a meaningful Arab state. I think Sharon is a butcher and Arafat is a dunce and both sides may be more alike then the other would like to admit. (but one side has tanks)

i believe the proper slur is 'peckerwood'... or 'peck' fer short.

heheee, i remember the first time i introduced my friend Kiren(hindu) to my friend Abass(paki muslim)... they spent the evening glaring at each other with their father's eyes.

t'was cute, and frightfully stoopid...

cuss

p.s. here's yer homework peckerjew, tomorrow, yer to comb the chilly environs of peckerwood central(ie sota, wisco, illy etc. aka; twelfth circle of hell) to find a camel jockey... strike up a convo and find out if he's as bloodthirsty as jewry jewfeldt from Haifa thinks he is and then report yer findings here.

[quote]Originally posted by little cuss:
<strong>i believe the proper slur is 'peckerwood'... or 'peck' fer short.

heheee, i remember the first time i introduced my friend Kiren(hindu) to my friend Abass(paki muslim)... they spent the evening glaring at each other with their father's eyes.

t'was cute, and frightfully stoopid...

cuss

p.s. here's yer homework peckerjew, tomorrow, yer to comb the chilly environs of peckerwood central(ie sota, wisco, illy etc. aka; twelfth circle of hell) to find a camel jockey... strike up a convo and find out if he's as bloodthirsty as jewry jewfeldt from Haifa thinks he is and then report yer findings here.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Paki is a slur for a Pakistani if you didn't know...

quote:
.. strike up a convo and find out if he's as bloodthirsty as jewry jewfeldt from Haifa thinks he is and then report yer findings here.

cuss, I appreciate the sentiment. But stop with the hillbilly language. And no name calling please. Or we'll boot you out.


mika.

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

[quote] both very untrue statements according to Arab mythologists. <hr></blockquote>

I was quoting a Jewish historian...

[quote] I don't see too many victors trying to sign a peace treaty and giving back land they lost-especially to people who started the war in the first place. <hr></blockquote>

This is very common and has always been a part of peacedeals. Like after the Napoleon wars, WWI, WWII, the korean war, the bosnian war, the kosovo-conflict... etc. etc...

[quote]Or we'll boot you out.<hr></blockquote>

That's the attitude! Just like in Bethlehem...

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I was quoting a Jewish historian.

hahaha... So ?

All you showed is there's a pluralism of OPINION among Jews. Thats one of the things that make for a healthy democracy. Something you can certainly NOT say about Arab culture.

And an estimate is just an estimate. Just like an estimate of your IQ.

Arab mythology is still Arab mythology. Peddled by persons such as your so-called historian, or anders, or thentro, you, or anyone else.


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This is very common and has always been a part of peacedeals

hmm. Very interesting. Maybe you can school me on this. You say this is very common. Give me 5 examples.


mika.

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

You wrote:
[quote]Arab mythologists<hr></blockquote>
I quoted a jew...

[quote]Give me 5 examples<hr></blockquote>
I gave five examples. Maybe they wern't particulary good. Here are five more:
Slovenia and Kroatia, East-Timor, Sri-Lanka, South-Africa, Sweden and Norway, Brasil... (oh, wait thats six...)

[quote]And an estimate is just an estimate. Just like an estimate of your IQ.<hr></blockquote>
Show me another estimate, (preferably not of my IQ)...

[quote]Maybe you can school me on this.<hr></blockquote>
You don't seem like you want any schooling on anything...

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: New ]</p>

quote:
I quoted a jew...

heheh ... Put 3 Jews together. What do you get? 4 arguments.


quote:
I gave five examples. Maybe they wern't particulary good. Here are five more:
Slovenia and Kroatia, East-Timor, Sri-Lanka and South-Africa, Sweden and Norway...

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

You're gonna have to do better school work than that. Your examples mean nothing to me, unless you provide some details.


mika.

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

quote:
Show me another estimate, (preferably not of my IQ)


I don't need to show you an estimate of the numbers. The facts are clearly recorded. Unfortunately, these only relate to the Jewish migration into the holy land. You'll never find any figures on the Arab migration into the holy land, particularly between 1947 and 1967 when these areas were under their control. This is because the Arabs don't want that information released.


mika.

[quote]I read the history books Nick. I know what Im talking about.<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Your examples mean nothing to me, unless you provide some details.<hr></blockquote>

You better pick up those books then... Read a bit about the rest of the world as well...

yo haifa,

boot me if you can...

cuss

p.s. if it walks, talks and acts like a eugenecist....

[quote]The facts are clearly recorded.<hr></blockquote>

Show me some facts then don't be restrictive... Pour from your knowledge...

LOL, eugenecist...

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Show me some facts then don't be restrictive... Pour from your knowledge

Tell you what New... I'll give you the exact numbers if those are so important to you. They're not that hard to find. And you follow through on your 5 examples.

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eugenecist....

Eugenicist, cuss ?!?
How so?


mika.

[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>

don't look at me heeb... i just said it... yer the one that flinched.

frugal with my bait,

cuss

LC:

[quote]I'll give you the exact numbers if those are so important to you. They're not that hard to find. And you follow through on your 5 examples.<hr></blockquote>

Give, me the numbers first, They could be worth your history lesson... (see, I can negotiate like Sharon...)