[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>LetÂs just be clear about who the French really are. A quick summery of very recent historyÂ
This is the nation that double-crossed its allies in the 40Âs during world war II. This is the nation that sold Israel defective armor during the 50Âs at outrageous prices. This is the nation that later promised Israel a nuclear plant (in the 50Âs) and then backed away half way through its construction, leaving Israel scrambling to finish the job using itÂs native engineers and scientists. This is the nation that backed out of military operations in Sinai (1956) half way during implementation. This is the nation that later again, broke its promise in the 60Âs and refused to re-supply Israel with spare parts to itÂs air force, forcing Israel to build itÂs own plane (Kfir). This is the nation that conspired to champion the cause of Islamic radicals in the 70Âs in exchange for business contracts and immunity from their terror. This is the nation that in the 80Âs transferred nuclear know how to Saddam Hussien of Iraq. This is the nation of a$$-fu<kers, that today leads the anti-American and anti-Israeli crusade in the European Union. Only this time, it's so that they can go to bed with the Iotollahs in Iran.
So you Arab/French sympathizer, keep wallowing in Arab filth. You seem to like that. I know all too well that you French are the real pigs.
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1) France never double crossed his allies during WW2
2)I have no clue if France sell defectives armours to Israel : i won't argue with that until i get some info
3) I agree that it was a big mistake to sell plant to Saddam, i will add that the day Israel attack the plant, all the french engineers where invited by their israelians friends or neighboors (choose the word that you prefer)
4) For the military help, my answer will be a translation (i'll try to translate in the best way i can) of De Gaulle memory : memory of hope 1958-1962.
"here is David Ben Gourion ! at the first, i have for this wrestler (in French lutteur mean some one who have a big fighting spirit : a positive attitude) and this courageous champion many sympathic consideration. His person symbolyse Isreal, that he govern after have diriged his fondation and his struggle. Since France, has not participated, in the form, to the creation of this state, born from a joint decision of britains, americans, soviets, she has warmly approved. The higness of an enterprise, consisting to replace a Jew people disposing of him self on a land printed by his fabulous history and who was belonged to them nineteen century ago, cannot miss from seducing (attracting) me. In a human point of vue, i think it's good that they will find back a national home, and i see there a compensation for all such sufferings through the ages especially the most terribles one during the massacre commited by Hitler's germany. Even if the existence of Israel appear to me very justified, i think that many carefullness is needed towards arabs. They are their neigboors, and theyÂ*are for always. It is as their detriment (prejudice) and on their lands that the Jew people is installed supremely. By this way the Jew people has hurted them in all their religions and her proudness is sensitive. That's why , when Ben Gourion speak to me of his project to implant four to five millions of jews in Israel who; in is actual form, could not contain them, and that his speach are telling me his will to extend his fronteers has soon the occasion will be offered, i invit him to do not do this. " The France" i said to him " will help you tomorrow, like she helped you before, to maintain you anyway. But she is not ready to bring you the means to conquest news territories. You have succeed an incredible task. Now do not exagerate, make shut up the pride, who according to Eschyle "is the son of happyness and devour his father ". Better than listening ambitions who will led Orient in terribles shakes and will led you to to loose slowly the internationals sympathies, continue to make the astonish improvement of a land , who was some times ago desertic and to knot relations with your neighboors that will be usefull for the long time. "
While i was giving this councils to Ben Gourion, i stop excessive practices of collaboration on the military plant, since the expedition of Suez, between Tel-Aviv and Paris and who introduce permanently israelians people at all levels of the french general staffs and services. In this way cease, in particular, the help lent by us at the beginning, near bersheba, of a plant transforming uranium in plutonium, where may came in the future atomics bombs.
I will add that France get their atomics bomb alone, without the help of USA . De Gaulle never make the fake statement that USA should have helped France. If you want to be independant you have to do it your self (i will add that Israelians have their own nuclears bombs now : did the US help them, or did they make it alone i don't know). De Gaulle was in charge of France from1958 to 1968 : it was the man who make France independant in a military and diplomatic point of vue, and who let France becoming a nuclear power.