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post #361 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:03am
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Just trying to learn from you.
making rational, valid, relevant, fact-based and logical arguments is useless as response to your posts.

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Boehner doesn't do it, Michele Bachmann, Palin, Gingrich, .... please link to one of their rational, valid, relevant, fact-based and logical arguments. Thanks.

Not sure what they have to do with our discussion. Go take it up with them.

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post #362 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:04am
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Try adding them up, sweety.

Well, I'll let you. But adding them up still doesn't add up to a "billionaire doctor" or "billioniare health care administrator."

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post #363 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:05am
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Well, let's just say we have a different perspective. I believe my perspective is more objective and informed. You apparently believe in conjecture spewed by an extremely singular ideological mindset.

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post #364 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:05am
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Not sure what they have to do with our discussion. Go take it up with them.

According to you I am an electable Republican politician. Thanks.
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post #365 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:07am
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According to you I am an electable Republican politician. Thanks.

Maybe you are. I have no idea. But you also seem to be an electable Democrat too.

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post #366 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:07am
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Well, I'll let you. But adding them up still doesn't add up to a "billionaire doctor" or "billioniare health care administrator."

It's 2010 now these numbers are from 07 .... Yes they do add up to billion $ administrative costs We are talking about 10 year costs right?
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post #367 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:08am
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It's 2010 now these numbers are from 07 .... Yes they do add up to billion $ administrative costs We are talking about 10 year costs right?

I don't know what you are talking about. I was referring to tonton's "billionaire doctors" and "billionaire health care administrators."

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post #368 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:09am
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9/11/10 at 10:11am
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Thanks for the free consultation Dr. Freud.

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post #370 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:11am
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I don't know what you are talking about. I was referring to tonton's "billionaire doctors" and "billionaire health care administrators."

I've already said it was an argumentative exaggeration. Now let it go and look at the big picture. Thanks.
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post #371 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:13am
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I've already said it was an argumentative exaggeration. Now let it go and look at the big picture. Thanks.

Yes you did. Pray tell, what other "argumentative exaggerations" have you made?

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post #372 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:21am
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Yes you did. Pray tell, what other "argumentative exaggerations" have you made?

Surely not as many as points of conjecture you've made.

Now, it's time for me to go happily to bed with my loving, happy wife, looking forward to my relaxing Sunday.

You know what? I'm not rich. Not at all. But I bet you anything I'm happier than most rich people in the US. Probably happier than you. And I just want this kind of happiness for Americans. They can't get that kind of happiness if they have to worry that getting sick will send them into bankruptcy. They can't get that kind of happiness if they have to worry about getting held up at gunpoint. They can't get that kind of happiness if they have to work three jobs to feed their kids ("uniquely American!").

Life is good for me. I want it to be good for them, too.

Carry, on, gentlemen. Good night.
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post #373 of 753
9/11/10 at 10:23am
Man, I'm running out of popcorn.

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post #374 of 753
9/11/10 at 11:33am
How can you support Democratic economic policy?
like this:
chart dem vs rep income growth by income level



Every income group makes more $ during democratic presidents since 1948.

Let's hear why this is bad.
Let's hear how these numbers are just made up with a few links to disprove them.
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post #375 of 753
9/11/10 at 11:55am
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How can you support Democratic economic policy?
like this:
chart dem vs rep income growth by income level



Every income group makes more $ during democratic presidents since 1948.

Let's hear why this is bad.
Let's hear how these numbers are just made up with a few links to disprove them.

Would you care to explain why your source "conveniently" left out the entire Great Depression and the Democratic President who oversaw it for 12 years?

I suspect it is because a gigantic depression for 12 year of Democratic presidency might put a little crimp in his style.

Also where's the breakdown for who controlled Congress? Stupid Democrats today have massive majorities and claim they can't get anything done (all while passing massive bills that no one reads, no one knows what is in them, and we have to pass them to find out our lucky prize) and also declare Obama is continually thwarted by Republican minorities. What outlandish reasoning says that all those Republicans that were in office during the 40 YEARS of uninterrupted House Democratic rule, were just free to do whatever they want.

Sorry if those wonderful facts messed up the reasoning of your pretty picture.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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post #376 of 753
9/11/10 at 12:13pm
Wow, look at that income growth go!

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The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama's watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.

Census figures for 2009 — the recession-ravaged first year of the Democrat's presidency — are to be released in the coming week, and demographers expect grim findings.

It's unfortunate timing for Obama and his party just seven weeks before important elections when control of Congress is at stake. The anticipated poverty rate increase — from 13.2 percent to about 15 percent — would be another blow to Democrats struggling to persuade voters to keep them in power.

"The most important anti-poverty effort is growing the economy and making sure there are enough jobs out there," Obama said Friday at a White House news conference. He stressed his commitment to helping the poor achieve middle-class status and said, "If we can grow the economy faster and create more jobs, then everybody is swept up into that virtuous cycle."

It's sort of ironic how President Obama cannot recognize and follow his own advice!

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post #377 of 753
9/11/10 at 12:27pm
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Now, it's time for me to go happily to bed with my loving, happy wife, looking forward to my relaxing Sunday.

Have fun.


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You know what? I'm not rich. Not at all. But I bet you anything I'm happier than most rich people in the US. Probably happier than you. And I just want this kind of happiness for Americans.

Life is good for me. I want it to be good for them, too.

And, interestingly, you live in the economically freest area of the world. Yes, I would love that for us Americans here in America too. But, apparently we're moving in the wrong direction.

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post #378 of 753
9/11/10 at 12:43pm
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Have fun.




And, interestingly, you live in the economically freest area of the world. Yes, I would love that for us Americans here in America too. But, apparently we're moving in the wrong direction.

Isn't it amazing that he lives in what would basically amount to a tax haven, and wonders why people over here want it?

Hong Kongs effective tax rates are among the lowest in the world. Individuals are taxed either progressively, between 2 percent and 17 percent on income adjusted for deductions and allowances, or at a flat 15 percent of gross income, depending on which liability is lower. The top corporate income tax rate is 16.5 percent. Excise duties on beer and wine were removed in 2008. In the most recent year, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 14.2 percent.
Government Spending93.7 Back to the top

Total government expenditures, including consumption and transfer payments, are low. In the most recent year, government spending equaled 14.5 percent of GDP. Disciplined fiscal management has helped Hong Kong to weather the global downturn. The government has made efforts to maintain a balanced budget. State ownership is mostly limited to transportation.

Tonton, come back to the People's Republic of California and hang out for a year or two. Then we will see what happens to your politics.

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post #379 of 753
9/11/10 at 1:49pm
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The DOE that's resulted in the US falling behind Finland, Korea, Canada, Hong Kong, China, Netherlands, Liechtenstein, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, Iceland, New Zealand, Denmark, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Ireland, Sweden, Austria... 28th in the world in math, 29th in problem solving, 18th in literacy... the same DOE that provided your education, perhaps?

Finland has a Department of Education.
Korea has a Department of Education.
Canada has a Department of Education.
Hong Kong has a Department of Education.
The Netherlands has a Department of Education.
Liechtenstein has a Department of Education.
Japan has a Department of Education.
Australia has a Department of Education
Switzerland has a Department of Education.
Iceland has a Department of Education.
New Zealand has a Department of Education.
Denmark has a Department of Education.
Belgium has a Department of Education.
The Czech Republic has a Department of Education.
France has a Department of Education.
Ireland has a Department of Education.
Sweden has a Department of Education.
Austria has a Department of Education.

America is behind these nations in education. And your remedy is to get rid of the American Department of Education.

Yes. An institution to develop and implement the new education policy you need to catch up with these nations— that's clearly the last thing you want.

Tell me. After home schooling, did you go to home university?
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post #380 of 753
9/11/10 at 1:53pm
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Tell me. After home schooling, did you go to home university?

Tell me, is it impossible to get a good education without going to a university?

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post #381 of 753
9/11/10 at 1:55pm
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Finland has a Department of Education.
Korea has a Department of Education.
Canada has a Department of Education.
Hong Kong has a Department of Education.
The Netherlands has a Department of Education.
Liechtenstein has a Department of Education.
Japan has a Department of Education.
Australia has a Department of Education
Switzerland has a Department of Education.
Iceland has a Department of Education.
New Zealand has a Department of Education.
Denmark has a Department of Education.
Belgium has a Department of Education.
The Czech Republic has a Department of Education.
France has a Department of Education.
Ireland has a Department of Education.
Sweden has a Department of Education.
Austria has a Department of Education.

America is behind these nations in education. And your remedy is to get rid of the American Department of Education.

Yes. An institution to develop and implement the new education policy you need to catch up with these nations that's clearly the last thing you want.

Tell me. After home schooling, did you go to home university?

First of all, we were talking about this as a constitutional issue. At least in regard to Ron Paul's position. This is not a role for the federal government constitutionally. Secondly, getting rid of the depart of education at the federal level is neither the same as getting rid of departments of education at the state level (where it could be handled perfectly well) nor getting rid of education altogether. Finally, you are assuming that those nations are ahead of the US in the education measures to which you refer because they have departments of education at the national level. At best you have a correlation but have not proven any causal relationship.

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post #382 of 753
9/11/10 at 2:22pm
Is anything constitutional in America these days apart from burning sacred texts?

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First of all, we were talking about this as a constitutional issue. At least in regard to Ron Paul's position. This is not a role for the federal government constitutionally. Secondly, getting rid of the depart of education at the federal level is neither the same as getting rid of departments of education at the state level (where it could be handled perfectly well) nor getting rid of education altogether. Finally, you are assuming that those nations are ahead of the US in the education measures to which you refer because they have departments of education at the national level. At best you have a correlation but have not proven any causal relationship.

I say 'Go for it.' Abolish your Department of Education. Let all of your states duplicate the function of that federal institution, and pay for it themselves, and let the poorer states go fuck themselves. Sharing expense and effort for the common weal? That's Bolshevism.

Who knows what your teachers might accomplish in this brave new world! Who knows! Sharing resources and expertise should be made as inconvenient as possible: there's ideology at stake! Striving will make men of your teachers and lions of your learners. Your nation has nothing to gain from a coherent application of standards. Why reform something when you can abolish it altogether?

It juuuust might work. Finland? Look over your shoulder. Our children are going to learn how to build an ark, and then they're going to sail it to South America, or Antarctica, or wherever Finland is, and KICK YOUR ARSE.
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post #383 of 753
9/11/10 at 2:50pm
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Is anything constitutional in America these days apart from burning sacred texts?

Plenty of things are. Why don't you read it and think it through. If you do this, I suspect, you'll have done more than most of the people sitting in Washington, D.C.


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I say 'Go for it.' Abolish your Department of Education.

Thanks. At least we have your permission.

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Let all of your states duplicate the function of that federal institution, and pay for it themselves, and let the poorer states go fuck themselves. Sharing expense and effort for the common weal? That's Bolshevism.

Who knows what your teachers might accomplish in this brave new world! Who knows! Sharing resources and expertise should be made as inconvenient as possible: there's ideology at stake! Striving will make men of your teachers and lions of your learners. Your nation has nothing to gain from a coherent application of standards. Why reform something when you can abolish it altogether?

It juuuust might work. Finland? Look over your shoulder. Our children are going to learn how to build an ark, and then they're going to sail it to South America, or Antarctica, or wherever Finland is, and KICK YOUR ARSE.

You liberals are quite hilarious when you start incoherently babbling, rambling and frothing at the mouth.

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9/11/10 at 2:58pm
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You liberals are quite hilarious when you start incoherently babbling, rambling and frothing at the mouth.

Hello!

And you extreme right wing religious capitalist-types are a perfect hoot when you don't have what it takes to respond to satire with anything approaching a coherent argument.

La de da. I'm cleverer than you, and much funnier, and I know more stuff!
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post #385 of 753
9/11/10 at 2:58pm
Ron Paul is advocating following the Constitution, which - in the case of education - does not expressly enumerate public education as a responsibility of the federal government.

Therefore, the 10th Amendment applies.

Don't agree? Amend the Constitution.

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9/11/10 at 3:02pm
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Hello!

And you extreme right wing religious capitalist-types are a perfect hoot when you don't have what it takes to respond to satire with anything approaching a coherent argument.

La de da. I'm cleverer than you, and much funnier, and I know more stuff!

Ohhh...that was satire! Ohhh...I get it now. Whew. Thanks for explaining.

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9/11/10 at 3:09pm
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Ron Paul is advocating following the Constitution, which - in the case of education - does not expressly enumerate public education as a responsibility of the federal government.

Therefore, the 10th Amendment applies.

Don't agree? Amend the Constitution.

It doesn't mention a space agency either.

This may have been because the world has moved on a bit since the 1700s.

Lucky you didn't leave it up to Kansas.
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post #388 of 753
9/11/10 at 3:12pm
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It doesn't mention a space agency either.

No it doesn't, and yes that is outside the role of the federal government constitutionally speaking.


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This may have been because the world has moved on a bit since the 1700s.

And the constitution has a process to be changed. So it can be (and has been) changed since it was written. So if enough people want space exploration and health care and everything else the federal government is currently doing to be the responsibility of the federal government then they can just go and amend it. No problem.

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9/11/10 at 3:14pm
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It doesn't mention a space agency either.

This may have been because the world has moved on a bit since the 1700s.

Lucky you didn't leave it up to Kansas.

You're right. It doesn't. Do the ends justify the means?

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9/11/10 at 3:16pm
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No it doesn't, and yes that is outside the role of the federal government constitutionally speaking.

And the constitution has a process to be changed. So it can be (and has been) changed since it was written. So if enough people want space exploration and health care and everything else the federal government is currently doing to be the responsibility of the federal government then they can just go and amend it. No problem.

Awesome. That is... excellent.

They truly thought of everything.

(Except space exploration, education, environmental protection, film censorship, health care, high speed infrastructure, atomic energy and broadband.)
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9/11/10 at 3:17pm
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Awesome. That is... excellent.

They truly thought of everything.

(Except space exploration, education, environmental protection, film censorship, health care, high speed infrastructure, atomic energy and broadband.)

If you have a problem with what it allows the federal government to do then amend the constitution.

What's the problem? Too difficult? It's allowed. Why is this a problem?

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post #392 of 753
9/11/10 at 3:53pm
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Would you care to explain why your source "conveniently" left out the entire Great Depression and the Democratic President who oversaw it for 12 years?

I suspect it is because a gigantic depression for 12 year of Democratic presidency might put a little crimp in his style.

Also where's the breakdown for who controlled Congress? Stupid Democrats today have massive majorities and claim they can't get anything done (all while passing massive bills that no one reads, no one knows what is in them, and we have to pass them to find out our lucky prize) and also declare Obama is continually thwarted by Republican minorities. What outlandish reasoning says that all those Republicans that were in office during the 40 YEARS of uninterrupted House Democratic rule, were just free to do whatever they want.

Sorry if those wonderful facts messed up the reasoning of your pretty picture.

Yes professor trumptman.
why don't you add those numbers, expand the chart and then let's see if you are right.
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9/11/10 at 6:34pm
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The two simplest things they could have done here were:

- Dis-allow restrictions and prohibitions from selling insurance across state lines.
- Make health insurance benefits taxable income.

The insurance lobby rolled out a massive campaign of lies and distortion regarding #1. Every single Congressman who folded on it ought to be fired November 2.

McCain had the temerity to propose #2 and was soundly defeated. Obama had more pernicious ideas but had the good sense to keep his mouth shut and was elected.

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Real competition.

Congress is not interested in competition. Like businesses, Congress hates competition. Congress wants control. Control over every aspect of your life, control that perpetuates their existence. The same control that motivates rapists and child molesters. Understand that and you'll understand socialism.

Who needs competition when you have dictatorial power anyway. Obama's signature piece of legislation hinges on Congress's belief that:

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...the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited.

Think about that for a while.

Source: the Speaker of the House. Look it up.
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9/11/10 at 8:55pm
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And, interestingly, you live in the economically freest area of the world.

Exactly. A territory which among other things has:

* Public housing
* Public Welfare
* Old age allowance
* Universal Healthcare
* Five kinds of public transport
* Mandatory Provident fund, 50% paid by the employer
* Mandatory labour insurance, 100% paid by the employer
* Mandatory car insurance
* No income taxes for the lowest 50% of wage earners, 25% for the highest.
* No tax-free status for churches
* No guns
* As of 2010, a minimum wage for all workers.

Because of these safety nets, among others, Hong Kong workers are kept happy. Violent crime is almost unheard of. The gears and cogs of the economy are able to turn freely.

Without these safety nets, complacency would bog down the economy, as it does in the US.

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...we're moving in the wrong direction.

With regard to the public safety net and how it relates to standard of living and how that relates to the productivity of the workforce? Yes.
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9/11/10 at 9:02pm
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Finland has a Department of Education.
Korea has a Department of Education.
Canada has a Department of Education.
Hong Kong has a Department of Education.
The Netherlands has a Department of Education.
Liechtenstein has a Department of Education.
Japan has a Department of Education.
Australia has a Department of Education
Switzerland has a Department of Education.
Iceland has a Department of Education.
New Zealand has a Department of Education.
Denmark has a Department of Education.
Belgium has a Department of Education.
The Czech Republic has a Department of Education.
France has a Department of Education.
Ireland has a Department of Education.
Sweden has a Department of Education.
Austria has a Department of Education.

America is behind these nations in education. And your remedy is to get rid of the American Department of Education.

This was my point a few posts back. The absolute stupidity is astounding.

As far as States being able to manage education themselves? Why don't we do a comparison of the quality of education in red vs. blue states, shall we?

Oh, but MJ will claim, "It's more complicated than that! There are hidden costs to education! Really! Kansas really has the best education in the nation! You're stupid if you don't know the invisible secrets that make this true!"
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9/12/10 at 2:57am
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Ron Paul is advocating following the Constitution, which - in the case of education - does not expressly enumerate public education as a responsibility of the federal government.

Therefore, the 10th Amendment applies.

Don't agree? Amend the Constitution.

What’s better?

Observing the Constitution of the United States of America to the degree where you consider abolishing important instututions that every other developed nation in the world takes for granted, even though that document was drafted in the 1700s when the population of the nation was smaller than that of Copenhagen today and it will make States duplicate spending and effort and dozens of other implications it would take a fool to ignore

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education?

The reason I ask is that I’ve just looked up Finland on Wikipedia and (now this is extraordinary!) the Constitution of the United States of America isn’t in force there, and even despite this handicap, they have a better education system and health care system than just about everyone else in the world.

It seems... impossible!
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9/12/10 at 4:38am
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The reason I ask is that I’ve just looked up Finland on Wikipedia and (now this is extraordinary!) the Constitution of the United States of America isn’t in force there, and even despite this handicap, they have a better education system and health care system than just about everyone else in the world.

It seems... impossible!

It's more complicated than that. You're stupid if you don't understand the hidden costs that prove that the US is better than Finland. And you're so ignorant that you don't know the invisible secret facts that make this true.
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9/12/10 at 7:03am
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Whats better?

Observing the Constitution of the United States of America to the degree where you consider abolishing important instututions that every other developed nation in the world takes for granted, even though that document was drafted in the 1700s when the population of the nation was smaller than that of Copenhagen today and it will make States duplicate spending and effort and dozens of other implications it would take a fool to ignore

or

education?

The reason I ask is that Ive just looked up Finland on Wikipedia and (now this is extraordinary!) the Constitution of the United States of America isnt in force there, and even despite this handicap, they have a better education system and health care system than just about everyone else in the world.

It seems... impossible!

We are in agreement, then. The federal Department of Education is failing. It is failing because it is unconstitutional.

Our country is in the crapper because we have neglected to follow the very documents upon which our country was founded.

As we return to following the Constitution, things will improve.

Don't like what's in (or not in) the Constitution? Our founding fathers, in their wisdom, established an an Amendment Process.

Why are you against the amendment process?

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9/12/10 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post

We are in agreement, then. The federal Department of Education is failing. It is failing because it is unconstitutional.

Please explain. If it were (according to you) "constitutional" do you think it wouldn't be failing?
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9/12/10 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Please explain. If it were (according to you) "constitutional" do you think it wouldn't be failing?

I think it is quite obvious that, constitutional or not, it is failing. And if the Department of Education was established by constitutional amendment, it would not be the first to have failed. For example, see the 18th Amendment.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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