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A disassembly of Apple's new 15-inch Core i5 MacBook Pro has uncovered Intel's HM55 chipset, a redesigned speaker assembly, and a wireless antenna mounted on the frame of the optical drive opening.

"The new MacBook Pro doesn't look any different than its predecessor, but Apple has made quite a few subtle tweaks within their latest professional laptop," said Kyle Wiens, teardown specialist over at iFixIt. "We dove inside to find out exactly what a year's worth of tweaks and improvements looks like."

In an email, Wiens noted the following highlights from the tear-down:

Wireless

Apple moved the WiFi/Bluetooth board. This redesign no longer requires that the wireless connections be integrated into the camera cable, greatly decreasing the size of the connector.
Since the WiFi/Bluetooth board is now mounted inside the all-metal case, Apple added an antenna that is mounted on the frame for the optical drive opening. "Pretty clever! Time will tell what impact this move has on wireless performance."


Audio
Apple changed the design of this speaker assembly slightly, moving from a single plastic enclosure to separate plastic enclosures for the speaker & subwoofer that are connected by the speaker leads.
Graphics Switching
Apple's homebred automatic graphics switching calls on the OS to switch to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics as needed for higher demand applications "like Chess, and uses the integrated Intel Core i5 graphics for Solitaire."


Chipset
Apple is using Intel's HM55 Express Chipset. Apple has clearly tweaked Intel's chipset to enable the seamless switching between the Intel and NVIDIA graphics. Interestingly enough, the chipset hub (BD82HM55) is not connected to the heat sink. Enough heat is convected from the surface of the silicon to remove the small amount of heat generated. Another advantage of this Intel chipset over Optimus is that the integrated graphics are powered down when the discrete GPU is active.
Battery


The battery is now rated at 77.5 Wh. That's just a tad bit bigger (6%) than the 73 Wh battery we found in last year's 15" model, but not enough to explain the 2 hour battery life (22%) improvement Apple is claiming for this machine. Apple has dramatically reduced this machine's power consumption, and we expect it to run quite a bit cooler than the previous model.

Apple has stopped using five-point Torx screws found on other MBP 15" Unibodies in favor of Tri-Wing screws.
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Apple has stopped using five-point Torx screws found on other MBP 15" Unibodies in favor of Tri-Wing screws.

Ah damn. Now I can't use my outdated Torx screwdriver to break open the case anymore. Seriously though, wonder why they stopped using Torx in favor of Tri-wing?
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I was thinking that in conjunction with the MacBookPro lineup, the MBA was the future...eventually adding a 15" and 17" with the idea of supplanting the MBP dominance. Sans the Superdrive!

Obviously, the MBA's would need a lot more RAM & larger SSHD's. And a lot lower price.

But, now I think Apple should just 'dump' the SuperDrive in the MacBookPro's and use the space for larger batteries...add SSHD's and you have an 'instant-on' laptop with a ~15 to 20hr battery life.

Knowing Apple, they (MBP's) would most likely be a little thinner, too!

Thoughts!

Ps. I also think with the advent of the iPad that has pretty much killed the MBA....I know it has for me. All I need is my iPhone 3Gs, iPad 3g and a 27" iMac....and I'm good to go along with my AppleTV!

Pss. Once I get my iPad 3G...I will seriously be thinking of dropping my iPhone 3Gs for a 'dumb' phone and tell ATT to 'stuff the $110/mo iPhone fees up their nose!'
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Apple has dramatically reduced this machine's power consumption, and we expect it to run quite a bit cooler than the previous model.

AnandTech notes that it's actually warmer and uses an additional fan, but that might be with the previous entry-level 15" MBP.
The new MacBook Pro also gets much warmer than the old one. I'd say it's more comparable to the first gen unibody MacBook Pro. If you're going to have this thing on your lap for a while you may want to wait for the next rev of Arrandale due out later this year. It should be a bit cooler.

Cooling the Core i5 and the GT 330M requires two fans, compared to just one in the previous 2-chip solution. The new MacBook Pro is no louder than the old one in practice.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3659/a...e-one-to-get/8
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

I was thinking that in conjunction with the MacBookPro lineup, the MBA was the future...eventually adding a 15" and 17" with the idea of supplanting the MBP dominance. Sans the Superdrive!

Obviously, the MBA's would need a lot more RAM & larger SSHD's. And a lot lower price.

But, now I think Apple should just 'dump' the SuperDrive in the MacBookPro's and use the space for larger batteries...add SSHD's and you have an 'instant-on' laptop with a ~15 to 20hr battery life.

Knowing Apple, they (MBP's) would most likely be a little thinner, too!

Thoughts!

Ps. I also think with the advent of the iPad that has pretty much killed the MBA....I know it has for me. All I need is my iPhone 3Gs, iPad 3g and a 27" iMac....and I'm good to go along with my AppleTV!

Pss. Once I get my iPad 3G...I will seriously be thinking of dropping my iPhone 3Gs for a 'dumb' phone and tell ATT to 'stuff the $110/mo iPhone fees up their nose!'

1) I think the MBA has its place. The iPad for traveling weighs greatly with consuming not creating. The MBA still makes a lightweight device for travel if you need to do a lot of typing. The next update for the MBA should be the CULV Core-i7, hopefully with 4GB RAM and with a greatly improved battery life. With the 9400M being on par with Intel HD, I would think that is an okay tradeoff as long as the anemic battery duration is increased, and price once again lowered (but not to the foolish sub-MacBook prices some people think it should simply because it's less powerful than a MB).

2) If the MBA does get discontinued, I think that speaks more for the future of Mac notebooks than for it being a result of the iPad. I think that would mean the removal of widely unused internal ODD in their next release. A USB drive or SD card with some funky design just for the Mac OS X Restore Disc utilizing the cheapest, slowest NAND would still faster than any DVD, use less power and be cheaper when you consider the cost savings from drive, too. After years of waiting for Blu-ray each new release pulls farther and farther away from Apple supplying BRDs in Macs. I think they might add AACS support in the future, but only well after ODDs have been removed from their notebooks. Do you really think they added SD card slots so late in the game just for photo transfers? I don't.

3) The most pressing issue seems to be the next revision of the 13" MBP. The space and price point seem to make adding a discrete GPU difficult, to put it mildly, and while the C2D with Nvida 320M is certainly a better choice over Core-i3 and Intel HD I can't see them being able to pull that same trick next time around. I think a discrete GPU in the 13" MBP is going to be required.

4) I bought an iPad to see if carrying it around could replace my iPhone. I found that it's much easier to walk or stand in line much easier with the iPhone, which is how I seem to mostly use it. For me, I don't think saving a few bucks on carrier fees will work.
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I think Apple should just 'dump' the SuperDrive in the MacBookPro's and use the space for larger batteries...add SSHD's and you have an 'instant-on' laptop with a ~15 to 20hr battery life.

Intriguing to think about, but I think a battery that large would be cost prohibitive. I would think it would be cheap enough to accomplish in the near future, but I almost have to wonder if lithium batteries will experience diseconomies of scale due to the high demand (especially with electric cars hitting the market en masse).

I do think you could move the SuperDrive to being external for 100% of the MacBook lineup and get away with it, though. Thinking of when you actually need it, its mostly for installing software, ripping DVDs, etc., which are desktop tasks. Even then, at least for me, its quite rare.
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Why wait for scuttlebutt to develop around the effectiveness of the newly placed WiFi antenna? There are antenna testing facilities with turntables that rotate. Comparisons of different Apple products, both the range and antenna pattern, would be very helpful. It'd be handy, for instance, for users to know what direction has the best coverage in a particular Mac model.
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1) I think the MBA has it's place. The iPad for traveling weighs greatly with consuming not creating. The MBA still makes a lightweight device for travel if you need to do a lot of typing. The next update for the MBA should be the CULV Core-i7, hopefully with 4GB RAM and with a greatly improved battery life. With the 9400M being on par with Intel HD, I would think that is an okay tradeoff as long as the anemic battery duration is increased, and price once again lowered (but not to the foolish sub-MacBook prices some people think it should simply because it's less powerful than a MB).

2) If the MBA does get discontinued, I think that speaks more for the future of Mac notebooks than for it being a result of the iPad. I think that would mean the removal of widely unused internal ODD in their next release. A USB drive or SD card with some funky design just for the Mac OS X Restore Disc utilizing the cheapest, slowest NAND would still faster than any DVD, use less power and be cheaper when you consider the cost savings from drive, too. After years of waiting for Blu-ray each new release pulls farther and farther away from Apple supplying BRDs in Macs. I think they might add AACS support in the future, but only well after ODDs have been removed from their notebooks. Do you really think they added SD card slots so late in the game just for photo transfers? I don't.

3) The most pressing issue seems to be the next revision of the 13" MBP. The space and price point seem to make adding a discrete GPU difficult, to put it mildly, and while the C2D with Nvida 320M is certainly a better choice over Core-i3 and Intel HD I can't see them being able to pull that same trick next time around. I think a discrete GPU in the 13" MBP is going to be required.

4) I bought an iPad to see if carrying it around could replace my iPhone. I found that it's much easier to walk or stand in line much easier with the iPhone, which is how I seem to mostly use it. For me, I don't think saving a few bucks on carrier fees will work.

Very thoughtful response....and you are exactly correct about doing 'work' on the MBA as opposed to the iPad. I agree I most likely won't give up my 3Gs iPhone either. I guess I will just have to get one each of every product Apple makes!!!!!
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Intriguing to think about, but I think a battery that large would be cost prohibitive. I would think it would be cheap enough to accomplish in the near future, but I almost have to wonder if lithium batteries will experience diseconomies of scale due to the high demand (especially with electric cars hitting the market en masse).

I do think you could move the SuperDrive to being external for 100% of the MacBook lineup and get away with it, though. Thinking of when you actually need it, it’s mostly for installing software, ripping DVDs, etc., which are “desktop” tasks. Even then, at least for me, it’s quite rare.

Agreed! Using the Superdrive is quite rare for me, too. In fact, if I remember correctly, the last time I did use it, is just as you say...to load software, specifically the Snow Leopard Box Set! And that was two days after it was released. So that was awhile ago! Meanwhile, I've been carrying it around everywhere I go!
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But, now I think Apple should just 'dump' the SuperDrive in the MacBookPro's

I think thats a really great idea. I cant remember the last time I used the SuperDrive, and even the pros who need to use it, are unlikely to use it while traveling. Its pretty much become only a home/office use deal, a need which should be met quite well by an external drive.
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So how big is the space for the Hard Drive? Will it only hold the 9.5mm or will it squeek in a 12.5mm? The older 17" MBP could hold 12.5.

Toshiba and WD now have 640G at 9.5mm. There are a couple of 750G and 1TB available in 12.5 now. WD just announced a 750G at 9.5mm for end of 2010. Amazing. They are JUST keeping up with my photo/music addiction. ;-)

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Intriguing to think about, but I think a battery that large would be cost prohibitive. I would think it would be cheap enough to accomplish in the near future, but I almost have to wonder if lithium batteries will experience diseconomies of scale due to the high demand (especially with electric cars hitting the market en masse).

I don't think anyone expects it to take up the entire additional space left over from the ODD. More so than the other machines, 13" MBP really need space for a GPU, probably could lower some costs and reduce heat by allowing greater cooling. Also, that 5" for the optical disc slot could be used for ports. Apple already had to remove the separate microphone port and move the ports closer together than they created the unibody MBP. Jobs even mentioned how hard it was to get all those ports in there.

Apple seems to charge the same price for all their replacement batteries so I have to wonder if the cost of the lithium polymer is minimal compared to the overall construction costs and other fees. Imagine having a 95W battery in the 13" MBP instead of the 63.5W battery current being used. That is about 50% longer use, or likely an 8 hour battery with the GPU going strong, for using 50% of the space the ODD currently occupies (at least based on my rough and dirty calculations). I'd go for that.
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You can buy the new screw driver cheap here ..............
http://www.amazon.com/Triwing-Screwd.../dp/B000S6AG9G
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-AG-'s edit (below) is definitive.
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I think thats a really great idea. I cant remember the last time I used the SuperDrive, and even the pros who need to use it, are unlikely to use it while traveling. Its pretty much become only a home/office use deal, a need which should be met quite well by an external drive.

there are other ways around it, I know macbook modding is not a huge industry like it is on PCs but it is possible to replace the ODD with a HDD of your choice.

2.5" Hdd Caddy for Macbooks

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So how big is the space for the Hard Drive? Will it only hold the 9.5mm or will it squeek in a 12.5mm? The older 17" MBP could hold 12.5.

Toshiba and WD now have 640G at 9.5mm. There are a couple of 750G and 1TB available in 12.5 now. WD just announced a 750G at 9.5mm for end of 2010. Amazing. They are JUST keeping up with my photo/music addiction. ;-)

Jim

Well i can honestly say that you can fit 2x 1.0Tb WD Blue (12.5mm) HDDs into a Late 2008 13" Unibody Macbook.

Not sure about the newer models (the caddy above would fit with the 12.5mm drive but not sure about the space available next to the battery for the second drive.

As for power consumption, it hardly makes any difference. I loose maybe 20 mins of battery life compared to before. But its not enough to justify not doing it.

Now if only this machine could handle more than 4gb of CL7 ram (atm its my only reason to need to upgrade)


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Found a few links that people may find handy..
http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/History/11514
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=871145
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I'd like to get an aftermarket kit that put the ODD in a USB caddie and gave me a cradle to put a smallish SSD in its place. I'd put the OS and Apps on the SSD and use the HDD for everything else. Having the OS on the SSD, I'm guessing would cause memory paging to be located on the SSD too. That'd be almost like having a whole lot of RAM to run in.

I could plug the ODD in on the very, very rare occasions that I need it and have the best of both worlds - a really fast SSD machine with cheap HDD bulk storage.
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...I do think you could move the SuperDrive to being external for 100% of the MacBook lineup and get away with it, though. ...

Well, you know, an additional benefit of possessing an external DVD drive that comes with your most recent laptop acquisition is that
  • often, on desktop Macs, the DVD drive starts failing and one has to resort to target mode on another machine (which makes it temporarily unavailable for regular work -- ask my wife), or, of course an external drive;
  • as your 2nd, 3rd Mac gets older, it continues to work, but the DVD drive doesn't read the newer DVD formats (say Dual Layer, or maybe soon Blue Ray, or just dual sided Dual Layer), which of course is solved

But the benefit only comes if Apple would care to make these external drives compatible with ALL Macs.
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often, on desktop Macs, the DVD drive starts failing and one has to resort to target mode on another machine

Under System Preferences » Sharing, the first option is CD/DVD sharing. No need to use Target Disk Mode.
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what's with the tri-wing screws?! come on apple! one of the reasons of the success of the mac is its devoted user-base, and arguable of particular value are the passionate users that love to take their computers apart and write about the beauty of these machines or customise it by developing software. why try to make life difficult for them instead of encouraging this customisation that makes the mac a better product for everyone.

i know, we can just get the tri-wing screw driver online and i'm sure that's what many will do, but why send this kind of message to the most loyal users...

but it makes me think that many of us love the mac products for what apple regard as its faults rather than its virtues... and the ipad is perhaps apple addressing those issues by making it even harder to customise the software.
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I was thinking that in conjunction with the MacBookPro lineup, the MBA was the future...eventually adding a 15" and 17" with the idea of supplanting the MBP dominance. Sans the Superdrive!

Obviously, the MBA's would need a lot more RAM & larger SSHD's. And a lot lower price.

But, now I think Apple should just 'dump' the SuperDrive in the MacBookPro's and use the space for larger batteries...add SSHD's and you have an 'instant-on' laptop with a ~15 to 20hr battery life.

Knowing Apple, they (MBP's) would most likely be a little thinner, too!

Thoughts!

Ps. I also think with the advent of the iPad that has pretty much killed the MBA....I know it has for me. All I need is my iPhone 3Gs, iPad 3g and a 27" iMac....and I'm good to go along with my AppleTV!

Pss. Once I get my iPad 3G...I will seriously be thinking of dropping my iPhone 3Gs for a 'dumb' phone and tell ATT to 'stuff the $110/mo iPhone fees up their nose!'

That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons, not the least of which is the ability to rip a DVD and give a client a copy of their finished contract work.
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That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons, not the least of which is the ability to rip a DVD and give a client a copy of their finished contract work.

You are assuming that all professional users are in the business of producing documents that need to be transferred on to CDs of some sort for one. Second you are assuming that all clients these days want troublesome optical disks.

For me the problem is pretty clear, I have to carry an external disk every where I go because of the limited internal drive. I seldom use the optical though thus it is a waste of space that could be better used for other things. One of those things is a second storage device.


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That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons

That's the same reaction people had when Apple got rid of the 3.5" floppy drives.
If Apple were to get rid of the SuperDrive in MBPs, I really wouldn't miss it. I'm a graphic designer and often move large files around, including to clients. There are still many other options for transferring large files. Use an external DVD burner. Copy files to an client's external drive or SD card. Upload files to an FTP site or a site like yousendit.com.

I think the biggest issue would be software installation, which would have to be accomplished via internet download or some kind of USB stick. Buying software on the USB stick would cost $10-15 more than internet download to cover the cost of the stick.

So I really don't think it's that dumb of an idea.
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What are the other companies doing so wrong with battery life?!? I read the hate site that is Toms hardware and they had a perfectly objective piece entitled "5 laptops that will destroy the new MacBook Pros" They have a Dell XPS16 system with a 85 Wh battery...it is only RATED at <5 hours. I would guess it would actually last 4. How is Apple halving the competition on power consumption? Most of the specs on the hardware seem the pretty much the same. I am guessing the minor hardware tweaks and the software optimization have to responsible for most of the gains?
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Agreed! Using the Superdrive is quite rare for me, too. In fact, if I remember correctly, the last time I did use it, is just as you say...to load software, specifically the Snow Leopard Box Set! And that was two days after it was released. So that was awhile ago! Meanwhile, I've been carrying it around everywhere I go!

I agree ... and i then remembered my old Wall Street Mac Laptop still in a cupboard here. It has a removable CD assembly which can have an additional battery slid in or other various goodies. A similar concept might work again. Simply add nothing for a light MBP or slide in a DVD or additional battery or whatever if needed. The base model could simply have a empty tray.
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That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons, not the least of which is the ability to rip a DVD and give a client a copy of their finished contract work.

Why a DVD? Why not a USB drive or SD card? There used to be write-once memory cards and thumb drives, but I haven't looked in a long time.
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What I'm really curious on the WiFi is if they do actually have multiple antennae for 802.11n. Looked like there were extra wires, but hard to tell where they go. I would think you could get pretty good antenna diversity using the hinge or screen and the ports on the left as well.
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Under System Preferences » Sharing, the first option is CD/DVD sharing. No need to use Target Disk Mode.

True but target over FW can be a lot faster in my experience. BTW did you see my note regarding Safari issues on your iPad? I could not get the same issue as you did although it was crashing a lot at first until I diid a full reboot. I think it needs a few tweaks such as a manual reset.
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What are the other companies doing so wrong with battery life?!? I read the hate site that is Toms hardware and they had a perfectly objective piece entitled "5 laptops that will destroy the new MacBook Pros" They have a Dell XPS16 system with a 85 Wh battery...it is only RATED at <5 hours. I would guess it would actually last 4. How is Apple halving the competition on power consumption? Most of the specs on the hardware seem the pretty much the same. I am guessing the minor hardware tweaks and the software optimization have to responsible for most of the gains?

Any notebook that "destroys" the new MBP will necessarily have to use more powerful components, such as a GTX 285M GPU. Obviously that's a lot faster than the 330M, but it also consumes almost twice as much power. That then requires more cooling, which also requires more power etc etc.

The same way a Ferrari doesn't run on a gallon per 100km, a Volkswagen Polo is not going to beat it on the highway.
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I was being sarcastic. None of the notebooks they mention actually beats the Macbook Pro significantly in benchmarks AND none of them have anything approaching the battery life. They tested the Mac in Bootcamp and compared it to PC notebooks. There was one Sony with dual SSDs that beat the Macbook Pro pretty handily but most systems were the same or far behind. I just wanted to compare a PC system you could actually travel with vs. a 15" Macbook. 2 years back I had a ludicrously specced Alienware "notebook". I am not kidding when I say it weighs 30lbs. Oh yeah, and less than an hour battery life, but you could play games like no ones business.

I am trying to make a buy decision and I wanted some data on actual battery life versus claimed battery life. The reviews that I have seen in the last day seem to indicate 5.9 hours-7.9 hours.


http://www.laptopmag.com/review/lapt...h-core-i7.aspx

As to your analogy...I would put the MacBook more in the Ferrari category and it seems to be getting that 100km/gallon (battery life)
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1) I think the MBA has its place. The iPad for traveling weighs greatly with consuming not creating. The MBA still makes a lightweight device for travel if you need to do a lot of typing. The next update for the MBA should be the CULV Core-i7, hopefully with 4GB RAM and with a greatly improved battery life. With the 9400M being on par with Intel HD, I would think that is an okay tradeoff as long as the anemic battery duration is increased, and price once again lowered (but not to the foolish sub-MacBook prices some people think it should simply because it's less powerful than a MB).

I agree with you for the most part but I think that the MacBook Airs to date have been an absolute fiasco, exactly due to their price point.
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what's with the tri-wing screws?! come on apple! one of the reasons of the success of the mac is its devoted user-base, and arguable of particular value are the passionate users that love to take their computers apart and write about the beauty of these machines or customise it by developing software. why try to make life difficult for them instead of encouraging this customisation that makes the mac a better product for everyone.

Don't take you MBP apart. That is a job for a Genius.

The new screws will benefit most users. Most users do not have that screwdriver, and so they will not be tempted to take their MBP apart.

The average Joe would just get into trouble, and void their warranty. If someone doesn't even have access to specialty screwdrivers, they have NO business taking apart a MacBookPro!

I'm glad that Apple uses screws that will not be able to be screwed (pun intended) around with by the average Apple customer!
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Yep tri-wing screwdrivers are alot more difficult to find than Torx. I know. My kid fed quarters and paper etc into our Wii's disc drive. Started to open it up and found a bunch of tri-wing screws.

I couldn't find crap locally. I did find a few larger tri-wing bits as part of a "security kit" at Sears. But they were too big. Had to order a small tri-wing screwdriver online.

... and so my conclusion is that Apple doesn't want the average joe to open up their MBP, but would rather have them bring their MBP to the Apple store.
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what's with the tri-wing screws?! come on apple! one of the reasons of the success of the mac is its devoted user-base, and arguable of particular value are the passionate users that love to take their computers apart and write about the beauty of these machines or customise it by developing software. why try to make life difficult for them instead of encouraging this customisation that makes the mac a better product for everyone.

i know, we can just get the tri-wing screw driver online and i'm sure that's what many will do, but why send this kind of message to the most loyal users...

but it makes me think that many of us love the mac products for what apple regard as its faults rather than its virtues... and the ipad is perhaps apple addressing those issues by making it even harder to customise the software.

First post? Somehow I doubt it.

Your rant sounds familiar. Perhaps Techstud?

Whoever you are, you've been here before, and you've found a way back. Unfortunately for the rest of us that have to deal with your crap.
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That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons, not the least of which is the ability to rip a DVD and give a client a copy of their finished contract work.


I was muchly surprised when I walked into the campus computer shop and saw that PARALLELS is carried (as an educational version, 1 year license) on a USB thumbdrive. Interesting, and perhaps a sign of the times...
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I agree with you for the most part but I think that the MacBook Airs to date have been an absolute fiasco, exactly due to their price point.

It's the G4 Cube of this decade...
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I agree with you for the most part but I think that the MacBook Airs to date have been an absolute fiasco, exactly due to their price point.

I think its important to note that the MBA seem to be like a beta test for both unibody and integrated battery model MBP.

Now it has to, like that poster mentioned, be more than that because of your point - the price.
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That's the dumbest idea I can think of for many, many reasons, not the least of which is the ability to rip a DVD and give a client a copy of their finished contract work.

Contracts? Rip a DVD? First of all, speaking of dumb ideas, there are much faster, cheaper and easier ways to send someone a contract than to burn a disc for each file transfer. Secondly, your scenario (assuming this is something you do) would not even begin to apply to the majority. Finally, the exclusion of the internal ODD has no barring on one's ability to use an ODD.

Mark my words, the ODD is going away as it's the biggest hold up for the advancement of modern notebooks. I assume the only thing holding it from being tossed is the cost of NAND.


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True but target over FW can be a lot faster in my experience. BTW did you see my note regarding Safari issues on your iPad? I could not get the same issue as you did although it was crashing a lot at first until I diid a full reboot. I think it needs a few tweaks such as a manual reset.

No, I didn't read your note. I went to check out the new MBPs earlier this week and I took a video of the iPad doing exactly what I had an issue with. I did the video with only one iPad after I tested it on several.

How did you test it? I opened up 8 pages in Safari. Not mobile sites, but full sites. Nothing else was running and then I switched between pages. nearly every time the page would reload.

Segue.... To use TDM you need ANOTHER Mac that has FW so you need to have a FW cable that fits both machines. This is NOT the best method for repairing a bad drive in another machine. The method I use is the one that Apple Store "Geniuses" use and the one that Apple opened their systems to with Snow Leopard is much simpler, easier, and faster that TDM for disk repairs.

All you do is hold down the Option Key at start up to get any number of drives to boot from. I have put a boot partition on my internal drive, my external Time Machine drive and made an SD card a boot drive, all from Disk Utility. Easy Peezy Lemon Squeezy.


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I agree with you for the most part but I think that the MacBook Airs to date have been an absolute fiasco, exactly due to their price point.

I know several people that love it. I'd bet Apple sold more MBAs than other vendors sell of their tailored, premium machines.


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Your rant sounds familiar. Perhaps Techstud?

If anybody, it's one of the other ones. Techstud isn't so good at forming full sentences and creating paragraphs. This new poster can write out a thought. MacTripper or iGenius are more likely, IMO.
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All you do is hold down the Option Key at start up to get any number of drives to boot from. I have put a boot partition on my internal drive, my external Time Machine drive and made an SD card a boot drive, all from Disk Utility. Easy Peezy Lemon Squeezy.

Hey soli, what fs did you use for the external boot drive on the sd card? I was thinking of getting an os+applications clone with superduper and using a flash usb to put it on, but I was thinking hfs+ being journaled will give a big hit to the flash, of course there's no other option really.
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I agree ... and i then remembered my old Wall Street Mac Laptop still in a cupboard here. It has a removable CD assembly which can have an additional battery slid in or other various goodies. A similar concept might work again. Simply add nothing for a light MBP or slide in a DVD or additional battery or whatever if needed. The base model could simply have a empty tray.

Apple doesn't want you messing around with batteries. It is dangerous, and you have to have an external charger, not to mention that mechanical removable components can break easily if mishandled.

I personally don't mind the dvd drive as I work with big files. Backing up to an optical disc is still convenient for me. I like discs for a physical back up that is off site that I have control over, not in the cloud.

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Ah damn. Now I can't use my outdated Torx screwdriver to break open the case anymore. Seriously though, wonder why they stopped using Torx in favor of Tri-wing?

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what's with the tri-wing screws?! come on apple! one of the reasons of the success of the mac is its devoted user-base, and arguable of particular value are the passionate users that love to take their computers apart and write about the beauty of these machines or customise it by developing software. why try to make life difficult for them instead of encouraging this customisation that makes the mac a better product for everyone.

i know, we can just get the tri-wing screw driver online and i'm sure that's what many will do, but why send this kind of message to the most loyal users...

but it makes me think that many of us love the mac products for what apple regard as its faults rather than its virtues... and the ipad is perhaps apple addressing those issues by making it even harder to customise the software.


I ordered a new MBP but I don't have it yet, but the original article said the Tri-Wings were replacing Torx - so are the screws on the bottom cover remaining Phillips? The only Torx I've had to monkey with on the unibodys are on the hard drive, (which incidentally you can get those off with pliers in a pinch as the head is exposed).

I'm curious why they moved to Tri-Wing, I doubt it would be for security reasons, as it's such a commonly available driver style, it would be inneffective at preventing much. Rather I suspect it may be done to avoid over-torqing, or stripping; I think Tri-Wing screw heads have an angled pocket so the driver will cam-out when you apply too much torque, yet they have a flat back so when you are removing them there is no cam action.

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