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post #41 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

http://stevecheney.posterous.com/the...tical-platform

Possible explanations re Xcode requirements.

"By telling developers to move to XCode tools, Apple is setting the stage to potentially switch architectures".

Yeah, look how well that worked for Adobe when they ignored the advice to move to XCode... Are they giving fair warning this time? I still think the multitasking argument is the one that makes the best sense, if the system is micromanaging apps as closely as has been described, I can see where an interpretive runtime wouldn't comply with the model.
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post #42 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:41am
i hope all those people complaining about the ipad delivery delay are not also waiting for their boeing dreamliner delivery.

"patience is a virtue"
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post #43 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:42am
So when the iPad was not completely sold out on launch day they said iPad was doomed. But when is was sold out during the first week it is Apple screwing their customers?! And worst, when Apple says they can't keep up with demand and they need to delay international launch it is we "demand" explanation!! Here is the explanation.. not enough iPads. Even an idiot can understand that
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post #44 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by merlinw View Post

This might be another problem for Apple . Israel banning the IPad from entering the country. Strange story.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...1MkBQD9F3K6B01

only because it hasn't been approved by the Israeli equivalent of the FCC.

they did the same with the iphone.

According to the AP, a resolution to the problem is expected by the time the iPad gets its international launch . In the meantime, 10 iPads have already been confiscated, with the owners given the choice between paying a daily storage fee or shipping the device back home on their own dime.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,6761715.story

"If you operate equipment in a frequency band which is different from the others that operate on that frequency band, then there will be interference," said Nati Schubert, a senior deputy director for the Communications Ministry. "We don't care where people buy their equipment ... but without regulation, you would have chaos."


"Schubert said he expects the problem to be resolved as Apple moves closer to officially releasing the iPad for international sale.
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post #45 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:52am
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Verily, this is the same Steve Jobs that was ousted from Apple in the 80s.

..and it's also the guy who took apple shares from under $20 in 2001 to where it is today: $249.
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post #46 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:55am
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... while Americans prance around with their iPads.

Prance?!?

Nice invective, Ms. Katie Marsal (and the entire AppleInsider editorial staff). Mr. Shadwell didn't say or imply anything of the kind in his email. Apparently, a background in basic journalism isn't required at AI?

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post #47 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:56am
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"Hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil."

Steve should just admit the deficits and be done with it, instead of letting his arrogance punch consumers in the face. There's only so much that consumers and developers are willing to take before they will abandon you.

APPLE IS DOOMED!!!!!

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post #48 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

http://stevecheney.posterous.com/the...tical-platform

Possible explanations re Xcode requirements.

"By telling developers to move to XCode tools, Apple is setting the stage to potentially switch architectures".

That's an interesting take on it. It's certainly impossible to know if it's true at this point, but it does make sense. Perhaps Intel has some great mobile chips up their sleeves and Apple would like to switch future iPads to Intel. Or perhaps they're going to add the ability to play iPad apps on your Mac in Mac OS X 10.7 and require them to be recompiled for Intel.

The Adobe Flash abomination wouldn't work in either of those cases and users would have to wait for Adobe to fix it. Since it only took them 10 years to come out with an OS X native version of Photoshop, I don't think anyone has the patience for that.

As I said, there's no evidence to support it, but it would be an interesting scenario.
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post #49 of 144
4/16/10 at 7:58am
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In Canada we have started an "Apple Abandoned Us So We Are Abandoning Apple" campaign. We are asking people to come to our rallies with their Apple products that they will then toss into a huge bonfire.

Our first rally yesterday wasn't that great. Only 12 people showed up and they were throwing Zunes in the fire. I don't think they read the memo correctly.


Bloody awesome!! Thank-you!!

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post #50 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

In Canada we have started an "Apple Abandoned Us So We Are Abandoning Apple" campaign. We are asking people to come to our rallies with their Apple products that they will then toss into a huge bonfire.

Don'tExpectHighTurnouts
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post #51 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:07am
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In Canada we have started an "Apple Abandoned Us So We Are Abandoning Apple" campaign. We are asking people to come to our rallies with their Apple products that they will then toss into a huge bonfire.

Our first rally yesterday wasn't that great. Only 12 people showed up and they were throwing Zunes in the fire. I don't think they read the memo correctly.

Based on the sales figures, that's one more Zune than was sold in Canada.
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post #52 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

Now Steve Jobs is giving the finger to this customer for merely questioning Apple's delays.

Apple needs to be a little more diplomatic.

Wow. Apple wants to protect its ability to maximize devs ability to adjust on the fly for hardware and OS upgrades by requiring them to code natively. So saving them work and trouble is bad. Good. got that. (Don't agree, but hey it's an opinion). Steve asks a clueless friggin' entitlement-drunk idiot if he is off his meds today (showing an amazing amount of concern for the poor sod's health and well-being) and that's giving him the "middle finger".

Your fascination with digitus impudicus is vaguely amusing, but misplaced and rather adolescent in nature, certainly as a means of interpreting the actions you reference. Nice try tho. By the way - are you off YOUR meds today? Just concerned...

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post #53 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:11am
Prancing around with Ipads ?

Great line, completely moronic.

Or is a group of Ipads now called a prance of Ipads?
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post #54 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:13am
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Wow. Apple wants to protect its ability to maximize devs ability to adjust on the fly for hardware and OS upgrades by requiring them to code natively. So saving them work and trouble is bad. Good. got that. (Don't agree, but hey it's an opinion). Steve asks a clueless friggin' entitlement-drunk idiot if he is off his meds today (showing an amazing amount of concern for the poor sod's health and well-being) and that's giving him the "middle finger".

Your fascination with digitus impudicus is vaguely amusing, but misplaced and rather adolescent in nature, certainly as a means of interpreting the actions you reference. Nice try tho. By the way - are you off YOUR meds today? Just concerned...


Cut him some slack. Envy and frustration is a hard road.
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post #55 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:15am
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This might be another problem for Apple . Israel banning the IPad from entering the country. Strange story.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...1MkBQD9F3K6B01

This looks like the iPad got caught in an intra-ministry fuss over who gets control.
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post #56 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:18am
As little as the average commenter may know about the realities of building usable software and hardware - they consistently know even less about commerce.
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post #57 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:20am
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Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

Now Steve Jobs is giving the finger to this customer for merely questioning Apple's delays.

Apple needs to be a little more diplomatic.

Boohooooo!

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

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GOA

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post #58 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:21am
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In Canada we have started an "Apple Abandoned Us So We Are Abandoning Apple" campaign. We are asking people to come to our rallies with their Apple products that they will then toss into a huge bonfire.

Our first rally yesterday wasn't that great. Only 12 people showed up and they were throwing Zunes in the fire. I don't think they read the memo correctly.



At least if you are in Vancouver you can make the road trip to Seattle and if you're in Toronto looks like you can go to Detroit or Buffalo.

But of course it must be hella frustrating to be right next to the USA and feel so ignored.
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post #59 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:21am
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Talk about entitlement mentality... It doesn't matter whether its the latest gear from Apple or the latest handout from the government, people really need to lose the entitlement attitude to everything. It's sick.

I couldn't agree more. We children of the baby-boomers have been taught to expect and demand the world at our fingertips. Led to believe that everyone and everything in life should be fair and equal. Taught to expect life to be less of a roller coaster and more of a easy flowing river. We depend on big business and the government alike to cater to our needs that we claim to be 'rights' but are really just 'wants'.

And, I agree - it's sick.
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post #60 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

Now Steve Jobs is giving the finger to this customer for merely questioning Apple's delays.

Apple needs to be a little more diplomatic.

Sorry but all the developers i know don't care because they say you shoudl be writing it specificly for the iphone os to get a good product anywya.

I know alot of developers and none of them feel like they've been given the middle finger at all. IN fact they are very happy wiht the amount of money they are making thanks to apple.

Go back to your adobe cubicle.
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post #61 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:27am
Man, I sure hate it for those who are having wifi issues.
Mine screams!!!!

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post #62 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:27am
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This might be another problem for Apple . Israel banning the IPad from entering the country. Strange story.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...1MkBQD9F3K6B01

Ah, thank goodness I am in Asia where a little bribery goes a long way.

Seriously though, you could get an iPad into where I am in South East Asia (country starts with an "M") but you're paying upwards of $800 USD for the $499 model ... Gawd knows what the customs "procedures" are anyways.

Generally if you brought it in for personal use from out of the country you're untouched but if you're bringing it in from eBay you could be taxed, if you're trying to ship 10 to 20 units in then good bloody luck...

iPad madness. Oh, the madness that Steve has wrought upon us mere mortals who do not have the fortitude to live with it. Sometimes it's like giving diamonds to monkeys, when it comes to Apple products and the common rabble.
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post #63 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:30am
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I couldn't agree more. We children of the baby-boomers have been taught to expect and demand the world at our fingertips. Led to believe that everyone and everything in life should be fair and equal. Taught to expect life to be less of a roller coaster and more of a easy flowing river. We depend on big business and the government alike to cater to our needs that we claim to be 'rights' but are really just 'wants'.

And, I agree - it's sick.

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post #64 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:31am
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This looks like the iPad got caught in an [Israeli] intra-ministry fuss over who gets control.

Yeah, they're fighting over who gets to play with the iPads during "testing for wireless compliance"...
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post #65 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

"Hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil."

Steve should just admit the deficits and be done with it, instead of letting his arrogance punch consumers in the face.

the "are you nuts" was a tad harsh but it's hard when someone is yelling liar liar in your face without knowing the details to keep cool.

Apple is likely in a hard spot at the moment cause folks in the US don't want to wait for their ipads so that the units can go overseas so they are yelling, pricing info is dependent on various import fee and tax issues that might not have been detailed out yet to Apple and they are having to wait so the ones waiting at least a price are yelling for it so they can yell about it being too high etc.

And then to have to eat a little crow and push back the date only to have folks yell at you and claim you never intended to launch when you original said etc.

Not a good day all around.
Apple is damned if they do no matter what they do.
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post #66 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:34am
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I was promised a pony years ago. STILL NO PONY!

You have to learn how to ride it first before they give it to you
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post #67 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:37am
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But of course it must be hella frustrating to be right next to the USA and feel so ignored.

One gets used to it.
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post #68 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:38am
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Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

If anyone "got the finger" (and that's debatable), it would be those "developers" who can't actually code.

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4/16/10 at 8:38am
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the "are you nuts" was a tad harsh but it's hard when someone is yelling liar liar in your face without knowing the details to keep cool.

Apple is likely in a hard spot at the moment cause folks in the US don't want to wait for their ipads so that the units can go overseas so they are yelling, pricing info is dependent on various import fee and tax issues that might not have been detailed out yet to Apple and they are having to wait so the ones waiting at least a price are yelling for it so they can yell about it being too high etc.

And then to have to eat a little crow and push back the date only to have folks yell at you and claim you never intended to launch when you original said etc.

Not a good day all around.
Apple is damned if they do no matter what they do.

Apple is in some doo doo (the fortunate kind, where you can't sell your products any faster)... They have to ramp to keep up the flow in the US for the WiFi iPads and they got to roll out 3G iPads alongside ATT. That along with everything else they're doing, is quite a bit to handle.

Call me an Apple apologist but at least Apple came up and said, F it, sorry, we can't handle international demands right now. Because they probably have to plan for 3G iPad rollouts in those countries as well... Because you know, if they only had WiFi iPads in other countries even as early as two weeks from now, people will all be like, Where's my 3G iPad, biatch...?!! You d-bags in the US are prancing around in your bloody 3G-enabled iPads!
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post #70 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:45am
I don't really care about the delay frankly thats a business decision that Apple has to make. They don't OWE people iPads by a certain date so that debate is just ridiculous.

as for the iPad wifi issues Apples stance on this is shit. I have an iPad, I also use a TimeCapsule for my wifi AND I have wifi issues. So this isn't a 3rd party problem at all. Its a software problem (i hope) or a hardware problem that should have been fixed before the product ever went out the door.
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post #71 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:47am
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Totally. He will have to wait until Apple is ready to give his country the iPad.

Worse is that he and others think it is that simple. That Apple is just sitting around doling out ipads whenever they feel like it.

It's not. Apple is an American company so selling here is actually pretty easy compared to overseas because there's not all the extra import paperwork and fees on top of the FCC etc stuff

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No way. Devs have to write apps for the iDevice and no other.

. . .

Instead, it is to make sure that the iDevice app is the highest possible quality. And that if it gets rejected by the app store, the dev will not be able to just turn around and release it somewhere else.

There's an implication here that is false. That implication is that Apple cares about versions for non iphone OS devices. They don't. If you want to make your app for every mobile OS out there, go for it. Apple has no right and claims no right to stop you.

What this is all about can be summed up in one word: Carbon. That gig for the desktop was all because the 3rd party companies like Adobe demanded it and it was a disaster. Carbon apps were bloated, buggy and took forever to get updated compared to native OS X coded apps. Apple was in a hard place at that point and needed those companies to stay on board because it was still the age of "there's almost no software for Macs and that's why they are crap. Go buy a PC".

But in the iphone OS app game, Apple has leverage. They don't need any one particular developer to be on board. The developers are the ones that lose if they pull out. So Apple is in a place to say No Carbon, everything will be native code top to bottom. and they did.
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post #72 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:48am
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If anyone "got the finger" (and that's debatable), it would be those "developers" who can't actually code.

So far from the truth I am amazed you can actually post it without laughing. There are plenty of great games in the iTunes app store developed using the 3rd party, now restricted Unity3D tool by very talented developers.
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post #73 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:52am
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So far from the truth I am amazed you can actually post it without laughing. There are plenty of great games in the iTunes app store developed using the 3rd party, now restricted Unity3D tool by very talented developers.

Sounds to me like they might be very talented on the creative side, but maybe not on the coding side.
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post #74 of 144
4/16/10 at 8:52am
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Man, I sure hate it for those who are having wifi issues.
Mine screams!!!!

If mine screamed, I'd tell it to shut up. But then, I prefer quiet.
Please don't be insane.
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post #75 of 144
4/16/10 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

We have decided to shorten our campaign's name to "We Are Abandoning Apple" or "Waaa".

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #76 of 144
4/16/10 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

Now Steve Jobs is giving the finger to this customer for merely questioning Apple's delays.

Apple needs to be a little more diplomatic.


Yeah the developers are crying all the way to the bank over this.
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post #77 of 144
4/16/10 at 9:12am
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Bloody awesome!! Thank-you!!


yeah that was priceless, hahahaha...
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post #78 of 144
4/16/10 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by alkrantz View Post

There are plenty of great games in the iTunes app store developed using the 3rd party, now restricted Unity3D tool by very talented developers.

But that is not really the point. The games may be great, but cross-platform compilers produce substandard code.

Intermediate layers between the developer and the platform produces sub-standard apps. It is that simple.
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4/16/10 at 9:30am
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So far from the truth I am amazed you can actually post it without laughing. There are plenty of great games in the iTunes app store developed using the 3rd party, now restricted Unity3D tool by very talented developers.

We'll see soon enough whether Unity3D is banned or not:

http://blogs.unity3d.com/2010/04/14/...os-4-0-update/

My gut feeling is that this will be perceived by Apple as being too much like how a Flash application is designed. From what I can see, the talented developers that use Unity3D are more like talented artists that rely on a third-party rendering environment to build the game interaction. Wired together with scripting.

Being a creative doesn't necessarily make you a coder.

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4/16/10 at 9:37am
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Are you living under a rock? Steve Jobs pretty much gave developers the middle finger last week by denying developers from writing their programs originally in a non original language.

Now Steve Jobs is giving the finger to this customer for merely questioning Apple's delays.

Apple needs to be a little more diplomatic.

You think this because you're under the same impression that Apple is required to serve all. They're not. And they aren't at risk at losing anyones business, just the opposite. Read the article, they can't even meet demand for their new product.
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