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And import taxes, and additional testing costs, and lack of economy of scale found in the US, etc. I don't think Apple has ever netted a disproportionate profit in other countries over the US. The biggest factor would be from a major change in the countries currency, but that work both ways.

I would think that import taxes apply also to the U.S. machines - as all Apple computers are imported from China. Not sure whether the testing costs are higher in the U.S. or Europe, given in particular that the EU-wide compliance is certified by one authority, similarly as in the U.S. The only difference between the EU and U.S. price is essentially in the risk calculated by Apple in regard to the exchange rate fluctuation.
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post #42 of 87
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I would think that import taxes apply also to the U.S. machines - as all Apple computers are imported from China. Not sure whether the testing costs are higher in the U.S. or Europe, given in particular that the EU-wide compliance is certified by one authority, similarly as in the U.S. The only difference between the EU and U.S. price is essentially in the risk calculated by Apple in regard to the exchange rate fluctuation.

Sure, but I'm pretty sure there are different taxes involved. Apple being an American company importing to the US is different than Apple being an American company importing to Brazil. For example, the PS2 only officially became available in Brazil last year at prices you can buy the PS3 for on the gray market so I'd say there are definitely fees and laws associated with outside companies trying to profits abroad.
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post #43 of 87
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Hope Apple understands that sophisticated sync software has to go bounded with the system. I have many colleagues that use 2 macs as i do. Every one finds it strange that iSync only helps with contacts, calendars and such. What about full HDD sync?

Either learn to write a cron script with rsync or get Unison for two-way synchronization. Easy, effective, reliable thanks to OSX's Unix origins.

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17" MBP? throw in just a couple more notes and get yourself a Mac Pro/iMac if you don't need a portable workstation. iPad? its entertainment only, unless your work is to reed rss and send emails. MMP + iPad? it just doesn't seem like a good working couple. its more like "work hard, play hard" but psp is just a little bit better on the latter.

I'll be replacing my 17" MBP with a couple ipad's, a MacMini, and my wife's 13" MBP. Can't justify $2600 to my partners for a laptop when they get a $1500 Dell. (Interestingly, the Apple Care is what kills the sale.). Apple will get about the same money, but the "High End" gets replaced with "trinkets"
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Note: "My shiny new MBP is currently stuck in China due to the Eyjafjallajokull ash cloud."

Oops.
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What do you mean? Are there conversion issues with keynote (or pages) files on the iPad and the Mac?

On the other hand, I understand that doc or ppt files may not be properly converted by the iPad's iWork applications, similarly as they are not always properly converted by the Mac OS itself.

iWork files created on a Mac are not compatible with iWork on iPad and vice versa. Just try files with movies, animations, transitions, backgrounds, tables, special fonts, audio, etc. Google for it to find more information.

Likewise with Office files created on a Mac or an iPad, even with DataViz Documents to Go (to be released soon).
post #46 of 87
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I don't get the idea of pairing a big notebook with an iPad.

Basically, they're saying that you can get the big notebook, because its portability is now less important - you have the iPad for the portability. So you don't need to lug around the big notebook when you're going home or on a business trip, just take the iPad with you.

But if the notebook has become stationary, why do we even need it to be a laptop? An iMac or even a Mini with a screen will give you:
  • A better keyboard
  • An even bigger screen
  • A real mouse
  • A bigger, faster hard disk
  • A lower price
  • All that without fiddling with a lot of little cables - Mac laptops don't have docks.

All this, of course, depends on the iPad fulfilling all you mobile needs. If it doesn't, well, you're stuck lugging that 17" laptop around.

I tend to agree. I will be upgrading my Mac Mini instead of my MacBook Pro and get me an iPad for my portable needs. I see no need anymore for a laptop which for my needs is actually bulky and weighty even as a MacBook Air or whatever. I use my iPhone all the time with Bento but I need a larger screen. However I will still need to have a proper desktop computer though so the Mac Mini and the iPad is the perfect solution.
post #47 of 87
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Like other new MacBook Pro models, the 17" now ships with the right angle MagSafe power connector similar to the MacBook Air. While you can still use existing adapters with square MagSafe connectors, the 17" and 15" models' power adapters supply 85 watts, so if you use older versions (or the 60 watt adapter intended for the 13" MacBook Pro), it will take longer to charge. The new MagSafe design looks a bit slicker, directs the power cable backward, and appears to be a little more resistant to wear and tear than the original square design.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ][/c]

Actually, the "older" 15" and 17" models also use a 85W power adapter, except for the entry model which did not have a discrete graphics card:
[MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009) and (15-inch, 2.53 GHz, Mid 2009) - Technical Specifications]
post #48 of 87
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I still think the iMac + iPad makes more sense for most people than MBP 17" + iPad, and would have made for a more sensible article. The premise of this article seems to be, buy 2 portables so you can leave one at home.

This was exactly the conundrum I faced with a client who wanted to move to Mac. The iPad was a definite. It was a matter of MacPro, MBP or iMac to go along with it.

In the end, after considering the activities of office and home + traveling, we opted for the 2 iMac (one for work, one for home) + iPad. We'll see how this formula worked out when the iPads arrive, but after going over all the scenarios multiple times, I'm sure we made the right choice.

Personally, I always shoot for top-end iMacs and need something else for portability. The iPod touch was fun, but the iPad is going to fit the bill perfectly. I think.

The bonus is this saves me a lot of money while giving me the the excellent advantages of both.

Bad news for Apple in that they are going to lose a MBP sale. I'm betting that I would rarely grab a laptop over the iPad when needing mobility
post #49 of 87
As soon as I get a $3000 gift card to the Apple store I'll get a 17" MBP and iPad
post #50 of 87
Pairing an iPad with anything has one sticky problem: A little thing called a file system. Moving your work between the two systems is a pain. You can't mount the iPad nor mount the MBP. You can't even use something like Air Sharing yet. Email is all you gotz. That will get old.
post #51 of 87
This article does start from an odd supposition, but the basic idea is sound enough. My biggest beef is that, for less money than the i5 17" MBP, you can buy an i7 iMac that runs rings around it, and has a screen that has quite a few more pixels than the 1920x1200 MBP's. If we're already looking at an iPad as a replacement for much of what a laptop normally does, then what is the point of spending that much on a portable computer at all?

I personally have recently moved from a Mac Pro to the i7 iMac, and still have my unibody 2GHz MacBook for portable use. However, as soon as there's an iPad with 128GB of storage, I'm likely to ditch the MacBook. I only use my MacBook for photo storage while traveling, and have a 128GB SSD dedicated to that task (with a separate 80GB SSD for the OS and Apps). Once the iPad hits that mark, I'll put the 128GB SSD in a data storage device (Sanho HyperDrive or similar) to maintain redundancy, and stop carrying a laptop.

So, as I said, not a bad idea in theory, but I don't really see the 17" MBP as the best application for it. You end up spending an awful lot of money to get a machine whose performance is blown away by a good desktop, and for less money, with the intention of not using its portability except in the narrow set of circumstances that the iPad can't cover in some way.
post #52 of 87
Hi,
I travel and work on distant locations in the film business. So at least half the year I am away from home, needing a laptop. Your suggestion would work well for me: have the biggest possible screen on my (hotel room) desk, and yet have the ipad to carry around daily, watch the movies on the airplane, etc.
The lack of express card on the 15" macbook pro is really galling. It's supposed to be a 'pro' machine. Most 'pro's' are using things like esata, compact flash (especially now that DSLR's) are shooting video and memory cards like the Sony's that directly plug into express card slots. All Apple had to do was offer the silly SD card to express card adapter, instead of caving in to periodicals (mostly PC) that carped about the lack of photo card slots. Now, more than ever, the compact flash is essential. A shame, and one that will probably force me to get a 17". does anyone know an adapter or other way to plug a compact flash reader into the SD card slot?

thanks!
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post #53 of 87
I have two questions...

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Third party RAM dealers will sell you an 8GB kit for around $350, plus they're give you $50 back for providing your 2x2GB parts.

1. Which RAM suppliers will give you a trade in rebate (as suggested in the article)

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Apple's upgrade fees for SSD drives are very expensive, but that's largely because the drives are still very pricey. Even so, the company's upgrade prices are close to the component costs of drives you can find online, so if you pay Apple's upgrade fees, you're essentially throwing away the value of the stock drive (nearly $100).

2. Where would I find a 512GB SSD drive? Does anyone have a Make and Model number they can supply me? I have looked at the usual suspects (best buy, future shop, etc.) but I cannot find any 512GB SSD drive for sale independently.

Thanks!
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post #54 of 87
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post

Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe the 17" MBP costs 2249 euros. That is around 2900USD... In the States it costs 2299USD. So 600USD less than here in Europe. Why is that?

If you add the 20% or so of VAT you come out at US$ 2760.
Apple also has to take into account the uncertain changes in the exchange rates of the US $ vs the Euro currencies.
In addition they have to take into account the fact that the European market is still made up of many different languages and business practices. $140 is not all that much to account for that.
post #55 of 87
What I'd like to know, is what stand they were using for the iPad in those photos. It looks slick.
post #56 of 87
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Originally Posted by aslam View Post

I have two questions...

1. Which RAM suppliers will give you a trade in rebate (as suggested in the article)


OWC is offering $60 for your two 2GB RAM sticks when you buy RAM from them:

http://eshop.macsales.com/Customized...atecenter.html


I am replacing one of my two 17" MBPs with an iPad for an upcoming business trip. It is a trip carrying my backpack with 13 lbs of MBP! For most of my uses, I need two. For this one, I'll be mostly playing music with one and the iPad is so much lighter to carry. Will be interesting to see how well the iPad's iPod works compared to iTunes. I've done a few test runs and it seems to crash more often than iTunes. ::fingers crossed::

Ciao. Joel.

PS I am so looking forward to the i7 MBP to go with my i7 iMac! One of these days... .
post #57 of 87
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1. Which RAM suppliers will give you a trade in rebate (as suggested in the article)

edit: Pipped by jrhall. Welcome to the forum, jrhall.

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2. Where would I find a 512GB SSD drive? Does anyone have a Make and Model number they can supply me? I have looked at the usual suspects (best buy, future shop, etc.) but I cannot find any 512GB SSD drive for sale independently.

Google Shopping — http://www.google.com/products?q=512...,000&scoring=p

I don't know which brand(s) Apple uses.
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post #58 of 87
@solipsism and @jrhall: Awesome... thanks for these links!! And so quickly too... gotta love good communities.

If anyone finds out which brand of drive Apple uses, please post it. I'm curious.

Thanks,
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@solipsism and @jrhall: Awesome... thanks for these links!! And so quickly too... gotta love good communities.

If anyone finds out which brand of drive Apple uses, please post it. I'm curious.

Thanks,
Aslam

"Unfortunately SSDs [...] appear to only be sourced from Samsung or Toshiba. Despite the Intel lovefest elsewhere in the MacBook Pro, you still cant get an X25-M officially sanctioned by Apple. One of these days I expect Apple will get onboard the SSD train, but until then youre better off sticking with the hard drive and upgrading to an SSD on your own."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3659/a...the-one-to-get The review is worth a read.
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post #60 of 87
RAM

Yes, OWC http://macsales.com/ is excellent for whatever: RAM, HDs etc. Superb Customer Service! As of now, they don't seem to have 512GB SSD 2.5" as seen here http://bit.ly/dmgIwj

Also, OWC's RAM ( not generic, but same as Apple, Samson?) is Lifetime Warranty, Advanced Replacement! Apple's is only 3 years with Apple Care, if I am not mistaken...

SSD vs 7200 RPM

Has anyone see a good article comparing 512GB SSD 2.5 and 7200 RPM on this latest MBP 17', all maxed out with BTO...?!

I doubt that SSD would give it an Instant ON, ala iPhone and iPad... My PB G4, 1.67, 2GB, 10.4.11 takes 1.5 min to Start Up, a little to Restart! The battery is a joke, cause it's old. That long Restart/Startup is annoying.

With the 8-9 hrs on the New MBP 17, I won't have to Restart/Startup to save battery life, thus not too many 1.5 min to Start Up, a little to Restart!

Still I wonder how much faster SSD is vs. 7200 RPM with Restart/Startup and all else, including HEAT, noise, crashes!!!?!!?!

Apple implies a greater DURABILITY with SSD on their BTO page!!!

My use would be for Final Cut Express + Logic Audio!!! Would SSD run those faster than 7200 RPM HD, and would it help with battery life?

I probably would be better off with 7200 RPM now, and do SSD later when the Prices fall considerably, and maybe get even greater capacity! Maybe there will even be 1 TB 7200 RPM by then?

With SuperDuper, it would be a snap to Clone the HDs and swap them!

Airpot

I have an Airpot Extreme (looks UFO) that I bought in 2003... My RR ISP is about 10MB Down, on a good day! In that context, is there any advantage to getting the Latest Airport Extreme (I don't remember the letters)... If I get the latest one, I could use it with MBP 17', and old one with PB G4, 1.67, 10.4.11... But, I also want to Network them, so, I guess I'd need to have them on the same Airport..., right?!

As to MBP + iPad...

I wish it was possible to use iPad as 2nd Monitor with MBP! And why stop there? Tethering for MBP + iPad + iPhone + International Roaming!!! Hey, dreaming is allowed, right?!

HOW DO I REQUEST A TOPIC FROM AI?

On an UNRELATED Note... A Topic Request for AI Forum!!! Sorry about the Off Topic, it's just that I don't know if there is a Proper way to Request a Topic!!!

I'd love to see an article here, on AI Forum, comparing the latest Dreamweaver to iWeb...

I hope that my Dreamweaver 8 will run on my New MBP 17, when I get it with the latest iPhone this Summer! If not, I'd have to pay $500 for the Latest Dreamweaver, or switch to iWeb... But, I already have Hosting with GoDaddy, and how would iWeb work with that, and my multiple Domains?

I just don't want to get caught in the cross-fire between Apple and Adobe! I don't do Flash, but I like how simple Dreamweaver 8 is for my limited needs, and GoDaddy has 24/7 Phone Support, that gives me a peace of mind...

Hope AI Forum folks are reading this, and will address those Qs. I suspect that I am not the only one with such Qs.

 

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post #61 of 87
For now, I find pairing my iPad 64gb (customized with decal, lightly textured clear-coat, and matte screen protector) with my Palm Pre Plus (Hotspot) the best way to keep things nice and (reliably) mobile until my (probably less reliable) AT&T-based iPad 64gb/3g arrives next week.

We'll See How It All Works Out...

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You do know that the US price is exclusive of sales tax, whereas the European price is inclusive. In Finland that's 22% right?

Yup, 22% VAT here at the moment. 23% this autumn. Thank you ponzi guys.

Anyway, LOL, I forgot that they add all those taxes at the counter in the USA. The prices you see on the shelves are not what you pay, which is pretty evil. I remember when I visited New York and bought a camera the clerk added some state taxes etc. to the bill and I was just like WTF is this.
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Yup, 22% VAT here at the moment. 23% this autumn. Thank you ponzi guys.

Anyway, LOL, I forgot that they add all those taxes at the counter in the USA. The prices you see on the shelves are not what you pay, which is pretty evil. I remember when I visited New York and bought a camera the clerk added some state taxes etc. to the bill and I was just like WTF is this.

By my (rough) calculation we are paying a slight premium in the UK at present, but to be fair to Apple, a couple of years back there was something like a 10-12% discount paying in Sterling. It is closely related to exchange rate obviously, but to my knowledge Apple has never adjusted overseas prices outside of updates. Perhaps it would be better if they did when exchange rates move significantly between updates, I would have thought the administrative cost of that would be trivial.

And yes, I echo your thanks to the international banking Ponzi profiteers!
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post #64 of 87
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iWork files created on a Mac are not compatible with iWork on iPad and vice versa. Just try files with movies, animations, transitions, backgrounds, tables, special fonts, audio, etc. Google for it to find more information.

Likewise with Office files created on a Mac or an iPad, even with DataViz Documents to Go (to be released soon).

Well, then it's a huge problem for the iPad as a purported content-creation machine.
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post #65 of 87
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Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe the 17" MBP costs 2249 euros. That is around 2900USD... In the States it costs 2299USD. So 600USD less than here in Europe. Why is that?

The price in US does not include Taxes (Equivalent of the VAT) which are included in Europe.

Means that the US price plus the 19% Euro VAT = 2299 + 436.21 = 2735.81
On top of this you need to add Import taxes which I don't know what they are for Europe, but 135US could be about right.

So before you say that your are paying MUCH more you have to consider these... I am a Canadian living in Europe (Germany) and I often forget these figures and think I pay more, but that is the way it is!
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Unfortunately, there is a big, big, big problem: the iPad is NOT a Mac. The truth is that the Mac and the iPad are not compatible when working with Apple iWork and with Microsoft Office files.

The main reason for that is the different microprocessors (Intel on Mac and ARM on iPad). So, in practice, what is needed is an iBook mini or a MacBook Air mini. Sign the petition and more information here:

http://macbookair10.net
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=896211

Erm... what?

Sure, the ARM isn't an x86 processor (like intel, AMD and the like). But you could sure as shit run the full version of Mac OS X on it, if you wanted to. Or rather, you were someone with the technical competence to do so. I don't know if you are or not, I'm simply making a statement.

The fact of the matter is, Apple don't want to, and have explained the reasons why they don't think it would work as well as their current approach. Reasons that make sense. Good, rationed, reasoned decisions.

It wasn't a marketing move. They don't want to intentionally shut themselves out of a profitable marketplace. But they wish to preserve their reputation of doing a few things WELL, rather than a LOT of things BADLY.

If you don't like it, buy a netbook, from one of the hundreds of manufacturers that don't feel as apple do. There is NOTHING stopping you. But apple will never, ever listen to your petition, and (most) of the people here know it. So please stop trolling the forums with requests to sign it.
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post #67 of 87
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Anyway, LOL, I forgot that they add all those taxes at the counter in the USA. The prices you see on the shelves are not what you pay, which is pretty evil. I remember when I visited New York and bought a camera the clerk added some state taxes etc. to the bill and I was just like WTF is this.

In Europe, this is considered a breach of the Customer-Protection Rules. It is a delicate issue, however, to establish at which point the need for clarity and foreseeability should trump the person's own responsibility for his decision to rush into a contract without properly checking the final price. In a way, Europe assumes that most people are idiots, which is ironic because of the higher proportion of the population with secondary and higher education than in the U.S.
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By my (rough) calculation we are paying a slight premium in the UK at present, but to be fair to Apple, a couple of years back there was something like a 10-12% discount paying in Sterling. It is closely related to exchange rate obviously, but to my knowledge Apple has never adjusted overseas prices outside of updates. Perhaps it would be better if they did when exchange rates move significantly between updates, I would have thought the administrative cost of that would be trivial.

The sterling price increase is staggering. Have you noticed that just at this last refresh, Apple upped the prices of the 15" MBPs by 125-150 GBP per model, while the price stayed the same in USD and was only slightly upped in EUR.

At this point last year, an entry level MBP 15" was at GBP 1250. It is 1500 now ... It's all logical, of course. You just have to look at the forex charts.
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post #69 of 87
The best option for me would be the 15" with the CinemaDisplay,instead of the iPad.So I can get portability,performance and plenty of ports.Being an architect I need to work on the go but rarely.The 15" gives me that ability (run ArchiCAD) and also the possibility to use Aperture,although with limitations due to the real estate (spaces helps a bit though). And when on my desk the CinemaDisplay provides all the comfort I need to design as well as the MBP as a secondary monitor
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I do not know about you but a 6.5 pounds for the 15-inch notebook is already heavy, let alone the even much heavier 17-inch notebook. I still prefer the 13-inch, if I were to carry a notebook around, then pair that with a desktop or an iMac for even more serious computing.

Which brings the issue, for true portability, it may be better to pair the iPad (that will surely beome more powerful in the future) with a desktop or an iMac to have greater differentiation of a true portable and more serious computing.

My hope is that with increasing power of CPUs, miniaturization of storage units, more powerful batteries, the iPhone OS will become more powerful so that the more basic functionalities -- word processing, spreadsheet and slide presentation, perhaps even basic video (photos, moviews) editing become almost fully functional in the iPad, with wireless connection to a printer.

If anyone ever remembers MS Word 5 for the Mac (ca late 1980s), it worked with the Mac Classic with 25-Mb CPU(?), It was a fully-functional word processing software; much of the other functionalities added after that to the much simpler MS Word 5 were mostly useless whistles and bells (except perhaps the spellchecker). There is no reason why such fully functional application softwares could be created for a a more robust and powerful iPhone OS that will surely evolve in the next few years.

The other possibility is for Apple to place these more fully functional softwares -- specifically tailored for the iPhone OS and also compatible with their version in the OS X -- in cloud computing; accessible to paid subscribers of specific applications. Such possibility would be a good use of Apple's facility in North Carolina (?) .

The MacBook Pro Notebook in an iPad Form.

My ideal portable MacBook Pro notebook computer would have the simplicity of the iPad form (i.e., not a clamshell design) perhaps as large as the 13-inch with an iPhone OS in steroids (i.e., more powerful) or even an OS X. Also, it should be as light as the current iPad (1.5 pounds) or less. Maybe, it could even serve as a second screen, as a number of users suggested.

More than likely, Apple would not be evolving the MacBook Pro to the iPad form any time soon, because of concern of cannibalization. But its evolution should go there. Remember how much different the original iMac from its most recent form. The MacBook Pro notebook computer form needs such an evolution in design to make it more truly portable and elegant.

Cannibalization

As to cannibalization, it need not become an issue. The Mac mini is a "full computer", i.e., with an OS X rather than an iPhone OS. And yet, the Mac mini does not cannibalize the MacBook Pros, the iMac line, nor the Mac desktops. What Apple needs to do to avoid cannibalization is to ensure more significant distinctions in the functions, targets and capabilities among these various forms of Mac computers.

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Amazing how that has affected so much. I wonder if there will be another Little Ice Age because of it. Any talk of that across the pond?

As the situation is now, there won't be any effect to our climate. The ash cloud sits at ca. 5-10km height. It won't stay there long because of wind and rain. If the ash gets up to 20km the situation could get a little more interesting.

As for the price difference US/EU it is not so bad has it has been in the past. I don't know if it is really more expensive for Apple to sell computers in the EU than it is in the US as Apple isn't running a lot of brick and mortar stores in the EU. But Apple is in line with all the other computer manufacturers. Some time ago I checked Dell and HP for their price difference and it is in line with Apple's.
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That's because you have something called "higher taxes". The good thing about it is that at least European governments do :something: good with most of the taxes. Unlike here in Brazil, where taxes go up to 50% and none of the public services are of any good. And I don't mean "good" in the whiny way, I'm being serious here: our healthcare and education systems are practically nonexistent, and national infrastructure is a mess at best. That's what you get when half the government is made of ex-terrorists and thieves (once again, I'm being serious).

The $1200 MBP over here costs $1800. That's because Apple US came over here to kick Apple Brazil's a$$ for abusive pricing last year. Before then, the same MBP cost $2500. That's what I payed for mine \

I hope I injected some sense on you 1st world people with this.

I'm in South East Asia at the moment and after living in the US and Australia, I still wonder why the 3rd world is the 3rd world. Just can't get out of its rut. Anyway at least Brazil really knows how to party!
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The sterling price increase is staggering. Have you noticed that just at this last refresh, Apple upped the prices of the 15" MBPs by 125-150 GBP per model, while the price stayed the same in USD and was only slightly upped in EUR.

At this point last year, an entry level MBP 15" was at GBP 1250. It is 1500 now ... It's all logical, of course. You just have to look at the forex charts.

Yeah, the forex charts will show some sense to Apple pricing movement. It's also to discourage grey market imports of Apple products from more favourably-priced countries, I think. Still, adjusting for all the different currencies, comparing many countries, it's hard to beat buying Apple products in the US itself.

As for the UK, I don't know what is going on there. I went to London near the middle of 2008 trying to get a job and I'm glad by mid-August I bailed and left the country. The £ has dropped like a rock since then, and as I hear the economy is still only just recovering?
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Lower price tag? Where? Here in Europe the 17" MBP costs 2249 euros. That is around 2900USD... In the States it costs 2299USD. So 600USD less than here in Europe. Why is that?

Are you sure that $2,299 is the final price in most of the US? Most US States have sales taxes that will result a higher cost, though not sure how much exactly (I'm in Australia). Here, we have a national system of taxation (as opposed to predominantly State-based), so the advertised price is always (legally has to be) the final price owed.

So if the sales tax is 10% then, that's $2529 approx. If you take today's US->AU exchange rate it takes it to AU$2713, approx, so the price we pay here at $2,899 is still somewhat of a price gouge, though seemingly not as bad as our poor Brazillian friend...

Wouldn't you just import a US model if the discrepency was that high?
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I don't get the idea of pairing a big notebook with an iPad.

Basically, they're saying that you can get the big notebook, because its portability is now less important - you have the iPad for the portability. So you don't need to lug around the big notebook when you're going home or on a business trip, just take the iPad with you.

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Unfortunately, there is a big, big, big problem: the iPad is NOT a Mac. The truth is that the Mac and the iPad are not compatible when working with Apple iWork and with Microsoft Office files.

There is a solution to these problems. I just purchased a Mini Server for home and transferred all my files from all my computers to the Mini Server. When my iPad gets here, I can use Back To My Mac (or LogMeIn, or GoToMyPC, or several other options) to access the server. I'll therefore have access to all my files without lugging a 'real' computer.

Until I try it, I won't know how well it works. I'm pretty confident it will work for more casual computing needs. I'm not sure it will meet ALL my mobile computing needs, so I'm not selling my 17" MBP yet. I may need the MBP just for longer business trips when I'll be doing more content creation and more presentations, but I don't know yet.
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Yeah, the forex charts will show some sense to Apple pricing movement. It's also to discourage grey market imports of Apple products from more favourably-priced countries, I think. Still, adjusting for all the different currencies, comparing many countries, it's hard to beat buying Apple products in the US itself.

As for the UK, I don't know what is going on there. I went to London near the middle of 2008 trying to get a job and I'm glad by mid-August I bailed and left the country. The £ has dropped like a rock since then, and as I hear the economy is still only just recovering?

Don't know about the rest of the U.K., but the conjuncture in London is still very tough. Let's be honest, the whole local economy was based on real property speculation. Local housewives and teachers owning 5 buy-to-let properties on full mortgage (and with no or very little capital repayment), while themselves earning salaries of GBP 400 per week ... Arabs/Russians buying at ask prices just to move their money outside their corrupt and uncertain countries etc. This had to end. The sterling devaluation (25% with regard to EUR and USD since early 2008) didn't bring much redress either as this country hardly exports anything anymore, apart from financial services perhaps )) Thank you, Maggie Thatcher ...

People talk a lot about public debt these days, but the real time-bomb is in the private debt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._external_debt
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I find the iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard and the Apple case for use as a kickstand and screen protector is a very good solution for mobile writing, browsing, etc. I have the iMac at home and the Mac Mini in my office so while neither place, I can bring my iPad. That is, unless I have to develop in XCode, in which case I need to go get my MacBook Air and bring it to wherever I may be at for XCode only... a situation which, in many years, has not happened so is making the Air seem not fitting for my needs any more...

Bottom line: apart from developing in XCode, I find the iPad to be more than adequate in all situations, especially with the keyboard connected. I wouldn't go with a 17" MBP because why have all that heft and bring both devices with you "just in case"? It doesn't make sense to me. I was, until recently, bringing my Air with me everywhere and using the 24" LED Cinema Display at the office. Then I got my iPad and started to carry the Air and iPad with me everywhere. So I got the Mini for the office and the iMac for home, and the iPad everywhere else. Will probably end up selling the Air because now it just sits at home on a hutch in the kitchen... anyways, yeah that's my experience with the iPad.
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For my needs as a web designer, a more logical pairing is a 27" iMac + iPad. The iPad for travel and client meetings (good for showing mockups, visiting a web site or sending an email) and the gigantic 27" iMac (plus a second 27" external monitor by the way) at home for doing the real work (design + code).
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The instant I saw an iPad "in the flesh" I knew what my next laptop purchase would be -- an iPad. Everything about the design and features of the iPad to me screams "your next MacBook."
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