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post #41 of 87
4/19/10 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

As for these pics? Ugly. Might as well get a Droid if I want something ugly.

"Instead, multiple sources have confirmed that the unit was actually a fake iPhone device that is supposedly available to buy over in Japan."

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/...terfeit-model/


"New iPhone 4G Spy Photos surface and are fake"

http://iphone.appmobilize.com/mobile...e-and-are-fake


"IPhoneWorld.ca: (Fake) iPhone 4G prorotype found"

http://technews.am/conversations/iph...novophone_is_r
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post #42 of 87
4/19/10 at 6:57am
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Adobe? What is Adobe?

It's a historic building on Moffett Boulevard in Mountain View, CA. But that's not important right now...

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post #43 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:00am
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"Instead, multiple sources have confirmed that the unit was actually a fake iPhone device that is supposedly available to buy over in Japan."

http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/...terfeit-model/


"New iPhone 4G Spy Photos surface and are fake"

http://iphone.appmobilize.com/mobile...e-and-are-fake


"IPhoneWorld.ca: (Fake) iPhone 4G prorotype found"

http://technews.am/conversations/iph...novophone_is_r

I have one question to this. If it's sold in Japan, where are the web links to the product? Any 'faux' iPhone should have a plethora of links on the web so that you can buy the product.
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post #44 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:00am
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I considered the prototype theory. ... but I don't think it is.

This does not look a prototype compnent.
This image came from China. Would chinese manufacturers have access to a prototype?

This is a production part.

C.

I think what they are actually saying is that the body is not necessarily an Apple "prototype", but some sort of "generic" type body Apple has used (probably purchased) to simply mock-up their technology.

For my part... I think the whole thing is bogus.
"Found on a bar floor"... Yeah, right...
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post #45 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Two cameras? Welcome to 2009, Apple.

You and your Android/RIM pals are going to be on the run soon, buddy!

Right now, I'll bet this carefully-designed 'faux-pas' is causing major heartburn to Apple's competitors.
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post #46 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:04am
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Funny, people said exactly the same thing about the "plastic" 3G phone.

C.

I must confess; I was one of those at that time.
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post #47 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by mobilemacblog View Post

The micro sim slot is not for memory expansion it is for the new micro sim that is debuting on the iPad wifi + 3g. It is for cellular data, not memory expansion.

Why would it be using a micro SIM, when the image of the insides clearly shows a plastic area the size of a normal SIM card inside the sim slot?
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post #48 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:08am
Even if it were real, it is obviously no more than a prototype, so it doesn't actually tell us what the next iPhone will have, only what, at some point in time, Apple was experimenting with.
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post #49 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Aluminum is opaque to microwaves.

The iPad gets around it by having an Apple shaped logo-hole to squirt its Wifi into the world.

This is not a good design for a phone. It needs a large antenna window. And the innovation in this device is a glassy ceramic back that creates a large radio-transparent window for optimal reception.

The new design is a slab of aluminum sandwiched between two slices of black glass.
What's not to like?

C.

whats not like? the disgusting mess that is the buttons, and seams. Again, this may be close to real thing, but its not the real thing.
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post #50 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:13am
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Even if it were real, it is obviously no more than a prototype, so it doesn't actually tell us what the next iPhone will have, only what, at some point in time, Apple was experimenting with.

Very true. Then at the least, it can give us a possible glimpse into what Apple was considering/has decided on, for the next gen. That of course assumes that it even a legit Apple prototype.

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post #51 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

You and your Android/RIM pals are going to be on the run soon, buddy!

Right now, I'll bet this carefully-designed 'faux-pas' is causing major heartburn to Apple's competitors.

Or a potential intelligence coup. All depends on if it is real and/or if it actually came from with Apple, intentionally or accidently.

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post #52 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:16am
There was another photo from Wei...something site showing the internals of the prototype. The photo shows the metalic internal layer from the backside where the ceramic back sits on top. Now the metalic part has the Apple's logo cutout and I believe this is where the LED flash will eminate from. If you look at the actual logo on the black ceramic backing, notice it's slightly faded to let the light out.

Edit: Nevermind my post. It seem someone posted a closeup where the LED flash is...

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post #53 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:16am
And it's bloody gorgeous!



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post #54 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:21am
You folks are so gullible. Use a little common sense. How come there's only one rear shot? If you want to prove that the device is genuine, you'd want to show a lot more detailed shots of the Apple markings on the rear. But no, only one shot and at a pretty simple perspecitve. i.e. simple as in easy to 'shop. No oblique rear shots. And even the side shots are positioned so as not to show the rear panel.

Then look at the lone rear shot. There's something fishy about the perspective on the text and markings there. I'm not sure the vanishing point for the vertical lines intersect with the vanishing point of the device's edges. Also, given the perspective, is there enough compression on the vertical dimension?

Finally, here's the coup de grace, download the photo then blow it up to about 600% or more then look at the area around the text. You will notice a distinct difference in the pixelation of the black regions around the white text. It's different from the rest of the device's back panel. I've seen that type of pixelation before, that's cut and paste then clone tool on the black to blend the patch in.

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Okay, now there's a second shot from Carniphage above. Better job done on the perspective. But blow it up again and look at the pixelation around the white text and compare it to the rest of the back panel. See the marked difference?
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post #55 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:24am
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And it's bloody gorgeous!

Very nice now that it is cleaned up.

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post #56 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:26am
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And it's bloody gorgeous!




These photos are of a DIFFERENT device than the one pictured by ApplInsider: They have screw holes adjacent to the 30 pin connector. The Appleinsider pics (with the exception of the last one) are of a device with no screws in the bottom.

Where did AI get their pics? Seemingly, something is very fishy here.
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post #57 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

Aluminum is opaque to microwaves.

The iPad gets around it by having an Apple shaped logo-hole to squirt its Wifi into the world.

This is not a good design for a phone. It needs a large antenna window. And the innovation in this device is a glassy ceramic back that creates a large radio-transparent window for optimal reception.

The new design is a slab of aluminum sandwiched between two slices of black glass.
What's not to like?

C.

It's more than opaque! Otherwise I would be cooked alive standing next to our 60kW microwave CVD reactor.
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post #58 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:37am
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These photos are of a DIFFERENT device than the one pictured by ApplInsider: They have screw holes adjacent to the 30 pin connector. The Appleinsider pics (with the exception of the last one) are of a device with no screws in the bottom.

Where did AI get their pics? Seemingly, something is very fishy here.

I think Gizmodo explained that the pics at WeiPhone were thought to be pics of a different unit, possibly from earlier in the prototyping stage. They said they believed both units were likely hand built prototypes and so would have slight differences in construction. I think the similarities of the two devices, even if the one Giz has is more polished than the pics AI posted, speaks to the authenticity of both.

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post #59 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:40am
I see that glass or zirconia is radio transparent, but what about the weight.
If you are looking at the density of glass it is ca. 2x that of plastic.
Worse for zirconia: zirconia has a density ca. 5x that of plastic.
The plastic parts for mobile phones are really thin, I don't think you can make a glass or a zirconia part that thin -> which ads more to the weight.
And don't get me started on the price of glass or zirconia.

I don't want to dismiss the possibility of glass or zirconia but there are a few open question that hopefully will be answered by Apple in June.
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post #60 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:45am
I like it
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post #61 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:45am
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These photos are of a DIFFERENT device than the one pictured by ApplInsider: They have screw holes adjacent to the 30 pin connector. The Appleinsider pics (with the exception of the last one) are of a device with no screws in the bottom.

Where did AI get their pics? Seemingly, something is very fishy here.

There were two devices shown.
This is the Engaget/Gizmodo device. Found lost in a bar in San Jose.

These matched a similar mystery device posted on Twitpic from 2 months ago.
The Twitpic device was slightly different. No Apple Logo. A Prototype marking - and no screws.

C.
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post #62 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:49am
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It probably no longer works due to the fact it was found on a the floor of a bar. It was probably dropped. I wouldn't get too excited about conspiracy theories when the device obviously took a tumble, and probably onto a tile, cement, or hard wood floor as is common inside a bar.

Then I would have expected it to not be working when it was found. Instead, it worked for sometime and stopped working once information about it started leaking onto the internet. Awfully coincidental timing for a hypothetical drop to suddenly affect it later. I suppose something could have come loose and shorted later.

Gizmodo mentions Apple remotely deactivated it in their latest article.

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post #63 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:52am
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I see that glass or zirconia is radio transparent, but what about the weight.

This device is 3 grams heavier.

C.
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post #64 of 87
4/19/10 at 7:54am
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I think what they are actually saying is that the body is not necessarily an Apple "prototype", but some sort of "generic" type body Apple has used (probably purchased) to simply mock-up their technology.

For my part... I think the whole thing is bogus.
"Found on a bar floor"... Yeah, right...

Stranger things have been found on bar floors.

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post #65 of 87
4/19/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

...allegedly found laying on the floor of a San Jose bar...

This. Steve must have used a few words that are not in any dictionary when this story is true and it is a real prototype... Somebody check the building at 1 Infinite Loop in Cupertino if all the windows are still there!
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post #66 of 87
4/19/10 at 8:07am
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Stranger things have been found on bar floors.

Any of these found there yet?

"HTC Droid Incredible on Pre-Order: Early Reviews Positive

My PC World colleague Ginny Mies says the HTC Droid Incredible lives up to its name. She found the new smartphone speedy and thinks the display is gorgeous. Mies also liked the HTC Sense UI used on the Droid Incredible (as in not the same interface of the Nexus One), especially the Leap feature, which is an elegant way of handling multitasking and the Friend Stream, a social network aggregator.

Engadget's Joshua Topolsky thinks the Droid Incredible is the "the best Android device that you can purchase in America right now." He claims it is better than the Motorola Droid or the Google Nexus One. Topolsky also found the interface of the HTC Incredible speedy, and the 8-megapixel camera on board can take "stunning photos -- particularly in daylight settings."


Gizmodo's Matt Buchanan also recommends the HTC Incredible as the must-buy smartphone on Verizon. He notes the Incredible is fast indeed, and that the Sense UI is an improvement over the standard Android interface. "

http://www.pcworld.com/article/19449..._positive.html
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post #67 of 87
4/19/10 at 8:09am
I wonder, if it is real, who actually lost it? I expect that person will be out of a job. Didn't Eric Schmidt's mistress claim that she had been given an iPhone prototype before the original iPhone was released? I suppose if it was some senior exec or board member then repercussions won't be as severe as for some QA analyst out for a drink with his buddies.

I guess the proof will be if/when Giz gets a takedown notice and a legal request to have the device returned to Apple. Hope someone is copying the pics and videos.

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post #68 of 87
4/19/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Any of these found there yet?

"HTC Droid Incredible on Pre-Order: Early Reviews Positive

My PC World colleague Ginny Mies says the HTC Droid Incredible lives up to its name. She found the new smartphone speedy and thinks the display is gorgeous. Mies also liked the HTC Sense UI used on the Droid Incredible (as in not the same interface of the Nexus One), especially the Leap feature, which is an elegant way of handling multitasking and the Friend Stream, a social network aggregator.

Engadget's Joshua Topolsky thinks the Droid Incredible is the "the best Android device that you can purchase in America right now." He claims it is better than the Motorola Droid or the Google Nexus One. Topolsky also found the interface of the HTC Incredible speedy, and the 8-megapixel camera on board can take "stunning photos -- particularly in daylight settings."


Gizmodo's Matt Buchanan also recommends the HTC Incredible as the must-buy smartphone on Verizon. He notes the Incredible is fast indeed, and that the Sense UI is an improvement over the standard Android interface. "

http://www.pcworld.com/article/19449..._positive.html

Do you people seriously consider these devices as competitors for iPhone/Apple? For what i know people who have made their mind on apple rethink it ONLY if at first they dindnt like it.

The device on photos looks very appealing.
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post #69 of 87
4/19/10 at 8:33am
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This device is 3 grams heavier.

C.

You heard it first in post #59!!!

Looking at the gizmodo pictures the new design really grows on me.
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post #70 of 87
4/19/10 at 9:06am
whatever this device is, it's THIN. take a look at the 3.5 mm headphone jack in the photo - it takes up little more than HALF of the thickness of the device. we could be going from 12.3 mm to UNDER 10 mm.
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post #71 of 87
4/19/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Removable battery = the entire thing is fake. Move on.

Giz isn't showing a removable battery.

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whatever this device is, it's THIN. take a look at the 3.5 mm headphone jack in the photo - it takes up little more than HALF of the thickness of the device. we could be going from 12.3 mm to UNDER 10 mm.

From Gizmodo, "The phone measures 4.50 by 2.31 by 0.37 inches. It weighs 140 grams." That is 9.398mm.
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post #72 of 87
4/19/10 at 9:48am
It's looking real to me, and the styling is growing on me as well.

Shame that Gizmodo felt the need to mention the internals, but not to even show a simple picture of the Apple branded parts that they mention.
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post #73 of 87
4/19/10 at 9:51am
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It's looking real to me, and the styling is growing on me as well.

Shame that Gizmodo felt the need to mention the internals, but not to even show a simple picture of the Apple branded parts that they mention.

They did!



C.
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post #74 of 87
4/19/10 at 10:23am
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Then I would have expected it to not be working when it was found. Instead, it worked for sometime and stopped working once information about it started leaking onto the internet. Awfully coincidental timing for a hypothetical drop to suddenly affect it later. I suppose something could have come loose and shorted later.

Gizmodo mentions Apple remotely deactivated it in their latest article.

Tulkas, that's like saying that all iPhone failures happen as a result of being remotely disabled. If the phone still worked after being found, there is no telling what damage may have resulted from the fall. Anything from a loose connector, to broken solder points to who knows what. Although it's possible it was remotely deactivated, it's also possible it simply stopped working. Unless Apple comes out and states they did so, then either argument is valid unless there is some sort of evidence to the contrary.
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post #75 of 87
4/19/10 at 10:31am
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Tulkas, that's like saying that all iPhone failures happen as a result of being remotely disabled. If the phone still worked after being found, there is no telling what damage may have resulted from the fall. Anything from a loose connector, to broken solder points to who knows what. Although it's possible it was remotely deactivated, it's also possible it simply stopped working. Unless Apple comes out and states they did so, then either argument is valid unless there is some sort of evidence to the contrary.

Often, physical damage to electronics will manifest immediately. Sometime, yes, something might come loose that later causes a short or disconnect when it completely separates. Hence my sentence " I suppose something could have come loose and shorted later." If that is the case, it might not turn on at all.

But, if the thing worked for days afterwards, still powers up to the 'Connect to iTunes' screen and only after it started leaking onto the internet suddenly stopped completing the boot sequence, like I said, that is coincidental. It gets as far as devices that have been wiped using MobileMe get...to the Connect to iTunes Screen.

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post #76 of 87
4/19/10 at 11:26am
I don't get why people don't like the looks of this. It seems like a huge improvement to me. I love the glass and metal designs that are coming out of Apple. This device looks great to me.

This reminds me of the PS3 Slim. Everyone said it was ugly. I kinda thought so too, but I bought one because my PS3 died. The Slim looks much better then the old system when you see it in person. In a photo the plastic looked kinda cheap without the gloss finish and the buttons looked like a step back. Seeing it in person, the plastic looks much higher quality and the workmanship in the buttons offsets nixing the capacitance buttons. Sorta the same here. Metal and glass is difficult to photograph. You have to use your imagination and picture how the object would look made from aluminum and glass if you were to view it in person.
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post #77 of 87
4/19/10 at 11:50am
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They did!

image: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets.../04/open13.jpg

C.

And yet we can't see the rest of the internals, a comparison to 3GS internals or the logic board. All we have is a single ribbon that looks somewhat large for this device with a finger blocking what it's connecting to.
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post #78 of 87
4/19/10 at 12:22pm
Apple won't support microSD. It means you'll be able to upgrade your storage without having to buy a whole different iphone.

Fake.
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4/19/10 at 12:26pm
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Apple won't support microSD. It means you'll be able to upgrade your storage without having to buy a whole different iphone.

Fake.

And that's why it is a Micro-SIM not Micro-SD.

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4/19/10 at 2:52pm
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

You folks are so gullible. Use a little common sense. How come there's only one rear shot? If you want to prove that the device is genuine, you'd want to show a lot more detailed shots of the Apple markings on the rear. But no, only one shot and at a pretty simple perspecitve. i.e. simple as in easy to 'shop. No oblique rear shots. And even the side shots are positioned so as not to show the rear panel.

I guess they shopped all of the back photos as well as the two videos they posted, right?
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