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post #81 of 395
Though i've thought that the next iPhone would look like a small iPad - and would have the name iPhone HD - i was shocked reading this! the pics i thought before was fake - but now having doubts about that... if this is the next iPhone = i would run to the apple store and wait 2 weeks before to get in line.... DEFINITELY worth waiting for - flash, front camera, wow just wow....
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Why would Apple want to play into the Droid's masculine aesthetic shtick? Will Steve proudly proclaim that the iPhone is no longer a "beauty queen", at the behest of Motorola's sexist advertising?

Are there any real complaints that the iPhone currently looks feminine? Would Apple really go for a "masculine" look, thereby making the device less appealing to half (or more) of their target demographic?

My guess is that Apple would never release something which looked like this.

I'm not sure where the furor comes from on the squareness.
This isn't Apple following Droid or HP, its simply bringing consistency to their entire line.
This looks exactly like the iPad and all of the Macbook line.
They've converted the lost space from the rounded edges into usable space.
Not exactly a big stretch.

My first impression was not positive, but now that I look at it more, it looks just fine to me.
post #83 of 395
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

To be entirely honest, this looks strikingly similar to a shrunken version of the soon to be released Hp Slate... Interesting Indeed.

Or a shrunken version of the iPad, if the iPad had a flat back.

Apple has a history of using the same design themes across their products. e.g. the white iMac resembled an iPod, and current iMac resembles an iPhone.
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You have what looks like an iPhone, that when removed from the case looks like no other iPhone out there. So the first thing you do is video it then TAKE IT APART??????

What kind of morons are working over at Gizmodo anyway?? They've already tried to piss in Apple's Wheaties over Job's medical leave, now this? If it truly was an accidental leave-behind and not a plant, Jason Chen's backside will be sued into next Tuesday for taking apart a device he doesn't own and is reported as missing by Apple (allegedly). Unless it was a def plant and this was all staged to make it look "accidental". That is the only way that Jason Chen is off the hook for being foolish enough to crack the case. While I have seen some rather pathetic stuff ooze out of Gizmodo from time to time, I simply cannot believe Jason is THAT stupid.

So you have a choice I guess. Either a plant for the press to get their grubby little hands on a pre-release model to generate mindshare, and Jason Chen is simply a tool following directions about building awareness/speculation prior to the launch announcement.

OR

It was truly an accidental leave-behind, in which case someone from Apple is getting charred by Jobs for being careless and compromising Apple security around advance device work. Therefore Giz and Jason, are now in receipt of missing (reported stolen?) goods and in a fit of abject idiocy decide to blog it, take the thing apart AND take pictures. Something I would have expected my son to do (for example) when he was like 12 maybe. Not the behaviors of responsible adult journalist types (go with me on this one here). Which, for all my criticism of Giz, just doesn't make sense.

So, then you have the police report that it was stolen or even missing? If so, you should post it here, as you would have the scoop of the year. Imagine being able to confirm this is authentic...you should post it now.

Without that, while common sense says the Giz guys know it belongs to Apple, it could just as easily belong to you. Have they called you to ask if you are missing a phone?

What exactly do you think Apple will sue Giz over? taking it apart? I'd like to rad the legal precedent for that suit. They could sue them for posting the pics, whether disassembled or not...but again, that would confirm the authenticity, so unlikely for now. And that suit would only stick if Apple first informed Giz though a cease and desist...that will again confirm.

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post #85 of 395
I thought this had been debunked already as a Chinese iPhone clone?
post #86 of 395
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

I'm not sure where the furor comes from on the squareness.
This isn't Apple following Droid or HP, its simply bringing consistency to their entire line.
This looks exactly like the iPad and all of the Macbook line.
They've converted the lost space from the rounded edges into usable space.
Not exactly a big stretch.

My first impression was not positive, but now that I look at it more, it looks just fine to me.

I'm not seeing how this looks 'exactly like the iPad' in the least. \

My iPad looks like little more than the display portion of my MacBook Pro separated from the keyboard, yet this 'device' has a completely different aesthetic in that it's effectively two similarly styled (protruding/flat) glass-like panels sandwiching a metallic band, all very reminiscent of Hp's recently revealed Slate computer.

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post #87 of 395
Again, this looks good, but where are the internal shots showing the logic board? Why no mention of even trying to get into DFU mode? Why not Pwnage Team or GeoHot to work on something to get something running on this device to see the specs.
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I thought this had been debunked already as a Chinese iPhone clone?

The report that it was a chinese knock-off was false.
post #89 of 395
They bought this from someone who claimed to have "found" it when they both obviously knew who it belonged to. No attempt was made to return it to the known owner. How is that not buying stolen goods?
post #90 of 395
How about this chain of events?

Gizmodo is approached by a 'third party' (well, Apple, actually)
with the opportunity to get a pre-release look at one of the final set of design prototypes.
They are told what cover story to use 'found in a bar'.
They are told what pictures they can take, both assembled and disassembled.
And they have to sign a NDA the length of all US Case law....

BUT they get to generate a huge number of page hits.

During the SAME WEEK that the next generation Droid and the Microsoft KIN hit the news cycles.

Cases for: Quality of pix, device itself, limited exposure (no OS, no pic of CPU), timing.
Cases against: ?
post #91 of 395
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I thought this had been debunked already as a Chinese iPhone clone?

The debunking was debunked.

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post #92 of 395
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They bought this from someone who claimed to have "found" it when they both obviously knew who it belonged to. No attempt was made to return it to the known owner. How is that not buying stolen goods?

How about that to buy stolen goods, the goods need to be stolen?

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post #93 of 395
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Or a shrunken version of the iPad, if the iPad had a flat back.

Apple has a history of using the same design themes across their products. e.g. the white iMac resembled an iPod, and current iMac resembles an iPhone.

Who's to say that this design doesn't serve as the introduction to Apple's new aesthetic?

Personally, a change is long over-due...
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post #94 of 395
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Google need not hire industrial espionage agents just use the Apple Rumor sites for their needs. Sad Apple is so betrayed at every turn these days.

Nah! Nothing here that competitors shouldn't have already figured out for themselves. If they haven't, there is not enough time to reverse engineer and get a competitive product to market before end of year... and by that time this year's game will be over and all the talk will be about next year's season.


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Let the paranoid conspiracy theories abound!

Its clearly real and somebody's fucked up.

It's made a buying decision easy for me but I always feel a little sad when these things leak. Steve so loves his reveals.

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Or was it an Apple drop? It is hard to imagine Apple letting people run around with the new model. Even JI or SJ would probably not use one in the wild. Now they have guaranteed page up and page down with free advertising, yet no-one is able to run the thing, so the important element (OS) are still hidden.

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If there is one thing we all know Apple excels at, it's controlling leakage. Sure, you could argue that Apple is known for occasional 'controlled leaks', but this would be well above that.

My primary doubt comes from the fact that it's highly unlikely someone could get a phone off of the Cupertino campus without setting off bells and whistles. Clearly, there are a few top-level executives that would have a functioning phone for testing purposes and would be allowed to leave campus, but the theory that they might lose on seems extremely unlikely.

One thing is for sure - whether this really is a leaked phone or it's the greatest hoax ever - there's a great story coming.

Exactly!

This is like an elegant, classy striptease from the likes of Lilli St. Cyr or Gypsy Rose Lee.

Show'em what you have... not too much, but just enough that they keep thinking about you and coming back for more.



Imagine the buzz created by this!

Surely, questions will be asked (and answered: "No Comment") at Apple's earnings meeting tomorrow.

I suspect there will be a series of additional revelations, say, for a month or so, leading up to the new iPhone announcement.


And fodder for some great [non-technical] rumors.... Is the new iPhone multi-carrier in the US... will a new PayGo plan be offered...


If you were at the end of a carrier contract, or in the market for a new phone... what would you do?

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post #95 of 395
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How about this chain of events?

Gizmodo is approached by a 'third party' (well, Apple, actually)
with the opportunity to get a pre-release look at one of the final set of design prototypes.
They are told what cover story to use 'found in a bar'.
They are told what pictures they can take, both assembled and disassembled.
And they have to sign a NDA the length of all US Case law....

BUT they get to generate a huge number of page hits.

During the SAME WEEK that the next generation Droid and the Microsoft KIN hit the news cycles.

Cases for: Quality of pix, device itself, limited exposure (no OS, no pic of CPU), timing.
Cases against: ?

Then why was it FIRST reported by Engadget this weekend as an Exclusive?
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post #96 of 395
Speaking from designer's perspective, there is no Ive's signature in that design so I call it fake.
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Originally Posted by reliason View Post

How about this chain of events?

Gizmodo is approached by a 'third party' (well, Apple, actually)
with the opportunity to get a pre-release look at one of the final set of design prototypes.
They are told what cover story to use 'found in a bar'.
They are told what pictures they can take, both assembled and disassembled.
And they have to sign a NDA the length of all US Case law....

BUT they get to generate a huge number of page hits.

During the SAME WEEK that the next generation Droid and the Microsoft KIN hit the news cycles.

Cases for: Quality of pix, device itself, limited exposure (no OS, no pic of CPU), timing.
Cases against: ?

This sounds plausible..."lost in a bar" is just pretty ridiculous. If they do out in the wild testing, it won't be in a bar filled with people. If Gizmodo doesn't post pics of the CPU you can bet this is the real story.
post #98 of 395
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Originally Posted by Voltaic View Post

It could very easily be a drop.
They'd just make damned sure it got into the hands of exactly who they wanted it to....say, a technology blog...like, um....I dunno....Gizmodo.

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post #99 of 395
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Speaking from designer's perspective, there is no Ive's signature in that design so I call it fake.

Define - Fake?

Naysay all you want, but there's little room for doubt regarding from where this 'device' originated, and that's directly from Apple.
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post #100 of 395
Sorry. Someone slipped something into my drink.
post #101 of 395
The design wasn't my fav in the beginning but it's warming up to me.

I like the thinner design and the forward facing camera and the Flash (camera flash that is hyuck)

They say the battery is 16% larger which, if/when coupled with more energy efficient display and electronics) could yield in a plus 20% battery life improvement.

The display is higher rez and hopefully OLED.
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post #102 of 395
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Then why was it FIRST reported by Engadget this weekend as an Exclusive?

The art of viral marketing. It starts of as a 'real' event. Then it takes off. Nobody knows but everybody has an opinion.
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Define - Fake?

Naysay all you want, but there's little room for doubt regarding from where this 'device' originated, and that's directly from Apple.

Fake = not Apple design. If this is a real iPhone 4G then it's the first time Apple go backward design-wise. I think there's a big doubt this is directly from Apple.
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And a SMALLER screen? In this day and age of bigger and bigger cellphone screens? I doubt that Apple would go in the wrong direction WRT screen size. There have been countless comments on this forum pointing out that higher resolutions on smaller screens are a waste, and that the results are less than stellar, given the viewing angles and distances.

Apple may have to take what's available when it comes to displays for the iPhone, esp if it is 960x460 as pointed out in the article.
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Fake = not Apple design. If this is a real iPhone 4G then it's the first time Apple go backward design-wise. I think there's a big doubt this is directly from Apple.

We all thought the early pics of the iPod nano 3G were fake because it too didn't seem like an "Apple design". I'm skeptical but not sure I'll go so far as to call this a fake...

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post #105 of 395
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I'm not sure where the furor comes from on the squareness.
This isn't Apple following Droid or HP, its simply bringing consistency to their entire line.
This looks exactly like the iPad and all of the Macbook line.
They've converted the lost space from the rounded edges into usable space.
Not exactly a big stretch.

Nothing like iPad. The iPad has a definite curvature, as does the MacBook Air.

The tactile aspect of a curved surface is important for something which will spend many hours being held in the hand. In addition, it adds structural strength. I admit, there is some space given up in the current iPhone, but much of that could be reclaimed without resorting completely to cereal-box design.
post #106 of 395
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

We all thought the early pics of the iPod nano 3G were fake because it too didn't seem like an "Apple design". I'm skeptical but not sure I'll go so far as to call this a fake...

OK. That iPod Nano is ugly, so if this news is real then it'll be the second time Apple go backward design-wise. Doubt they'd do that with their best-seller device though.
post #107 of 395
Now all that's left for jobs to do is watch him in that cafe crying
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Speaking from designer's perspective, there is no Ive's signature in that design so I call it fake.

I certainly doesn't come across as finished. There may be more refinement going on. But what is Ive's signature? How do you define that? Maybe unfair to Ive if he must be trapped by his own 'signature'. He has done other things than the iMac and MacBooks, remember. A phone has some really technical design requirements. The most important being that it can withstand being dropped from a certain distance on to hard ground landing on one of its corners. That alone eliminates the iMac/macBook glass to metal application.
post #109 of 395
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Fake = not Apple design. If this is a real iPhone 4G then it's the first time Apple go backward design-wise. I think there's a big doubt this is directly from Apple.

Oh...

You mean like when the 3rd generation iPod Nano met with a less than glowing/favorable reception, and the 4th generation quickly reverted back to the design of the 2nd generation?

Personally, I don't see how this design is the least bit 'backward' given that it looks nothing like any iPhone that came before, and is rather 'forward-thinking' in that it utilizes interior space far more efficiently than the current iPhone by presenting a smaller package with more features and a larger battery.
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post #110 of 395
Well that's one June surprise ruined.

At least the basic design appears to be changing, finally.
post #111 of 395
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Early last year, app trackers did detect the iPhone 3GS around SF area. So it is possible that very few people are allowed to test those devices in the wild. However, I just can't believe that someone with such device would be very careless to lose it! I am not really convince of their story. However, it seems that this is the real deal.

Bingo!

I think it is a controlled leak... to create interest in bars in Redwood City

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post #112 of 395
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I certainly doesn't come across as finished. There may be more refinement going on. But what is Ive's signature? How do you define that? Maybe unfair to Ive if he must be trapped by his own 'signature'. He has done other things than the iMac and MacBooks, remember. A phone has some really technical design requirements. The most important being that it can withstand being dropped from a certain distance on to hard ground landing on one of its corners. That alone eliminates the iMac/macBook glass to metal application.

It might be prototype. Still the story behind it is not making any sense.
Every great artists have their own signature and Jonathan Ive is one of the best so he definitely has it. You must study it to know it. This thing go beyond technical requirement.
post #113 of 395
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post #114 of 395
Um, is there an A4 chip in this thing?
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

Yes, that is true. That's what I meant when I said that once Apple informs the person/party that has it that it is Apple's property, that have a valid charge. But, until then , it is simply lost. Obviously they could assume it was Apple property. At the same time, they were not even convinced themselves whether it was authentic or a fake, so they couldn't reasonably assume it was Apple's.

Now that they have convinced themselves, they should return it. I still don't think they are under a legal obligation to do so until Apple comes forwards, claims it as theirs and requests it back. Just like if you found my phone...you don't know it's mine until I tell you. You could sleuth and find my info on the phone, but that only tells you it might be mine.

True. I was simply maintaing that we can't be categorical about it either way without knowing what was communicated between all the various parties over the last week. If it's indeed an open secret that Gizmodo has had it for a week I'm sure Apple knows it too. I'm assuming that at some point Apple would have asked for it's return but we don't know if they have, or if they did at what point they did.

If Apple asked for it back from the original finders before it was sold to Gizmodo, that puts Gizmodo in a bad spot, but there's no way of knowing at this point. It's possible that Apple hasn't asked for it back at all yet.
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Um, like getting so drunk in a bar that you lost a multi-million dollar top secret prototype?

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post #117 of 395
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Bingo!

I think it is a controlled leak... to create interest in bars in Redwood City

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I think this is the 4th generation iPhone prototype that was reported stolen last July.
post #118 of 395
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Oh...

You mean like when the 3rd generation iPod Nano met with a less than glowing/favorable reception, and the 4th generation quickly reverted back to the design of the 2nd generation?

Personally, I don't see how this design is the least bit 'backward' given that it looks nothing like any iPhone that came before, and is rather 'forward-thinking' in that it utilizes interior space far more efficiently than the current iPhone by presenting a smaller package with more features and a larger battery.

Like I said: "speaking from designer's perspective..."
post #119 of 395
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Fake = not Apple design. If this is a real iPhone 4G then it's the first time Apple go backward design-wise. I think there's a big doubt this is directly from Apple.

Again people, if you read Gizmodo's report you would realize there's no denying this new iPhone's authenticity.
post #120 of 395
Stuff, even important stuff, does get lost or stolen. Remember this from January 2008?

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Secretary of state for defence Des Browne has admitted that the laptop lost by the Ministry of Defence containing details of up to 600,000 defence personnel was not encrypted, and also that services personnel have previously lost two more laptops containing similar unencrypted recruitment information.

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security...tops-39292312/

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