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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Like this?

WRONG!!!!!
WHERE THE F*** HAVE YOU FANBOIS BEEN? HP is releasing the Slate this year, Dell is releasing the Looking F***ing Glass, the iPad is officially pwned as a lame-ass wannabe - no ports, no camera, dumbed-down OS - compared to freakin' awesome hardware designs running Windows F***in' 7 and AN F***in' DROID with more than 50,000 APPS!!!!!

YEAH!!! Wake up and smell the coffee you Cupertino Tools! Stop kissing Jobsey's A** and get a life fer crissakes!

Whoa! I see what you mean. I feel like Luke Skywalker being seduced by the Dark side. I can so see why they respond like that though - you just shut off your higher brain functions and let your primitive brain stem take over. I even had a strong desire to drag my knuckles on the floor and thump my chest! Wow!

Seriously have to stop doing that now - sorry guys. Hopefully some of the genuine article will show up and take up the workload. *WHEW*


Now that was textbook Apple bashing.
post #42 of 102
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Like this?

WRONG!!!!!
WHERE THE F*** HAVE YOU FANBOIS BEEN? HP is releasing the Slate this year, Dell is releasing the Looking F***ing Glass, the iPad is officially pwned as a lame-ass wannabe - no ports, no camera, dumbed-down OS - compared to freakin' awesome hardware designs running Windows F***in' 7 and AN F***in' DROID with more than 50,000 APPS!!!!!

YEAH!!! Wake up and smell the coffee you Cupertino Tools! Stop kissing Jobsey's A** and get a life fer crissakes!

Whoa! I see what you mean. I feel like Luke Skywalker being seduced by the Dark side. I can so see why they respond like that though - you just shut off your higher brain functions and let your primitive brain stem take over. I even had a strong desire to drag my knuckles on the floor and thump my chest! Wow!

Seriously have to stop doing that now - sorry guys. Hopefully some of the genuine article will show up and take up the workload. *WHEW*


right themes, but a tad over the top

and you forgot the "they run Flash so they are automatically better" dig and the "no App Store prison" dig


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Keep in mind that a lot of these were sold outside the US

Probably not as many as you think. The stores have been crazy militant and getting worse with each day. First it was like 2 online for pre-orders and 2 reserves for pick up. But you could come back each day for 2 more. Then it went to 1 reserve at a time. then it was like if you have one pre-ordered you can't do a reserve. And they stopped letting you use cash or gift cards in stores (I guess cause resellers were trying that to get around name checks). Then they started limiting the ipad cases and such.

And then it seems there's some kind of lifetime limit of 5-10 at most, which might now be down to like 2. Or at least a limit at the moment. Cause anyone wanting more than 10 this fast is likely reselling (like that gamer guy that wrote to Gizmodo cause he was cut off). They are even counting reserves and auto-cancelling them if you max out.

I called to find out about placing a business order and I was told I can't just ask for X units but have to fill out a form that says what my business is and why we want them. And then wait at least 24 hours for it to be verified and approved. And then I can place my order. Which is understandable but also annoying at the same time.

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post #43 of 102
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

Now that was textbook Apple bashing.

I reread it and then read the previous posts it was so good. Seeing masternav trolling threw me for a loop.
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post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

Keep in mind that a lot of these were sold outside the US. The states say it all: Californians sold to Asia, NY sold to Europe, Florida and Texas Sold to Latin America and Illinois could be sales to Canada. All US figures should be seen in the light of reselling these things on ebay for a $1000 not counting shipping.

I don't believe the estimates take into account units bought and sent overseas(or Canada). I think their analysis was based on usage in the U.S. so any ipads sent to other countries would be in addition to that estimate.
post #45 of 102
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Originally Posted by TheShepherd View Post

I'm not surprised since AT&T offers no service in Wyoming and there are no Apple stores and I don't think any Best Buys either.

AT&T shouldn't matter in regards to the number sold so far because the 3G version hasn't been released yet. I'm pretty sure store.apple.com and UPS serve Wyoming.
post #46 of 102
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I reread it and then read the previous posts it was so good. Seeing masternav trolling threw me for a loop.

Yeah that was definitely spooky. I know it gave ME the willies!
post #47 of 102
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Like this?

WRONG!!!!!
WHERE THE F*** HAVE YOU FANBOIS BEEN? HP is releasing the Slate this year, Dell is releasing the Looking F***ing Glass, the iPad is officially pwned as a lame-ass wannabe - no ports, no camera, dumbed-down OS - compared to freakin' awesome hardware designs running Windows F***in' 7 and AN F***in' DROID with more than 50,000 APPS!!!!!

YEAH!!! Wake up and smell the coffee you Cupertino Tools! Stop kissing Jobsey's A** and get a life fer crissakes!

Whoa! I see what you mean. I feel like Luke Skywalker being seduced by the Dark side. I can so see why they respond like that though - you just shut off your higher brain functions and let your primitive brain stem take over. I even had a strong desire to drag my knuckles on the floor and thump my chest! Wow!

Seriously have to stop doing that now - sorry guys. Hopefully some of the genuine article will show up and take up the workload. *WHEW*


ROFL, that was awesome, much better, you really got into it that time
post #48 of 102
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Whoa! I see what you mean. I feel like Luke Skywalker being seduced by the Dark side. I can so see why they respond like that though - you just shut off your higher brain functions and let your primitive brain stem take over. I even had a strong desire to drag my knuckles on the floor and thump my chest! Wow!

Seriously have to stop doing that now - sorry guys. Hopefully some of the genuine article will show up and take up the workload. *WHEW*


I really appreciate your making the effort. The real Apple haters seem to be in hiding waiting for something really juicy to bring them out of the woodwork again. It's very nice of you to fill in.
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post #49 of 102
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Yeah that was definitely spooky. I know it gave ME the willies!

Awesome job filling in as our daily troll, I too am wondering where the usual culprits are today, especially in a thread such as this one. I am still holding out for when the iPad clones hit the streets, things are going to get really hilarious around here.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

Do they have electricity in Wyoming?

Yes the do, and it's green (ish) power too!
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl.../energizer-cow
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post #51 of 102
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

AT&T shouldn't matter in regards to the number sold so far because the 3G version hasn't been released yet. I'm pretty sure store.apple.com and UPS serve Wyoming.

There does seem to be a correlation between low iPad sales and the absence of AT&T coverage in a state. It could be that many iPad sales are to people who have experience with iPhones (or have at least seen iPhones in person).
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

Yes the do, and it's green (ish) power too!
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl.../energizer-cow

That's genius!

I wonder if the CO2 reductions from the cows producing electricity will offset the problems their methane emissions cause?
post #53 of 102
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Don't forget to factor in the -- I think it was 19 the last I saw -- returns.

Yeah because both companies have the same resources.

Real good idea for everyone to have compared the joojoo to the ipad
post #54 of 102
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Actually, they've revised their methodology numerous times because they were overestimating the numbers.

It's still not accurate though because they only have a single solid data point, which was Apple's announcement about how many were sold, which included sales to stores. Plus in-store models will be online too.

What they will be doing is tracking new IP addresses with the iPad user-agent. The user-agent can be used by any browser and IP addresses aren't accurate as ISPs can renew them or even someone taking an iPad between home and work will show up as at least two new users because you can't track MAC addresses. A student at uni could register 5 or more times.

There's also the issue about the correlation between people clicking the company's adverts and the total iPad owners, which is unlikely to be steady so they can't feasibly extrapolate the data they have.

1 million sounds like a reasonable estimate but there's no way of knowing. If on average users are switching between two wifi stations with different base IPs then the number would be closer to 750k.

The numbers don't really serve to prove anything though. If buyers are happy with what the iPad offers them and Apple make a profit on each one then it's a successful product for everyone it concerns. Avatar is currently the highest grossing movie of all time but it doesn't make it the best movie of all time - sales alone simply don't match up to the user experience.
post #55 of 102
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Has anyone been charged yet for the 3G version they purchased?

I ordered my about 8:30 am on the first day and have not yet been charged.

I was charged right the time I made my post. It's still in a hold state, but Apple has initiated the charge. That is a very good sign.
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post #56 of 102
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

It's still not accurate though because they only have a single solid data point, which was Apple's announcement about how many were sold, which included sales to stores. Plus in-store models will be online too.

What they will be doing is tracking new IP addresses with the iPad user-agent. The user-agent can be used by any browser and IP addresses aren't accurate as ISPs can renew them or even someone taking an iPad between home and work will show up as at least two new users because you can't track MAC addresses. A student at uni could register 5 or more times.

Good point but in offsetting that is the situation where more than one iPad in a family could be registered as the same IP because of DHCP on the same router.

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I was charged right the time I made my post. It's still in a hold state, but Apple has initiated the charge. That is a very good sign.

That's odd. Apple doesn't typically charge until the item ships.

But even if they held the money on your card (maybe it has to do with credit limit or experience buying on the Apple Store or something), I don't understand why it's a good sign. If they placed the charge hold as soon as you placed the order, that doesn't tell you ANYTHING about whether it's ready to ship (until to changes from 'hold' to 'charged).

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Good point but in offsetting that is the situation where more than one iPad in a family could be registered as the same IP because of DHCP on the same router.

Or 200 different iPads in Starbucks.

The point is that they're assuming that there is some relationship between # of iPads in circulation and number of hits on the web sites they track. At that fundamental level, that's not an unreasonable assumption.

The problem is that they don't know if it's one iPad for every 3 distinct IP addresses or 3 ipads for every 1 distinct IP addresses, so they made a guess. When Apple released some sales information (they now have 3 data points to work from - 300 K on the first day, 450 K after 5 days, and 500 K the first week), they are able to adjust the number EMPIRICALLY to give a better estimate. It just happened that they overestimated the number with their initial guess, but their new numbers should be much better because they're based on actual sales.

For those complaining that Apple's numbers are shipments rather than sales, the difference is insignificant. Many Apple Stores are STILL sold out, but even those that have them only have a few in stock - compared to hundreds of units sold per store. So, at worst, this estimate might overestimate the total by a couple percent - well within the margin of error. The number in the channel only matters if there are enough in the channel to make a difference - and today, there are not.
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post #58 of 102
For those with the Apple is Doomed tag line you should have this link as week

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/death_knell/

or this one

http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/apple.html
post #59 of 102
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

Yeah because both companies have the same resources.

Real good idea for everyone to have compared the joojoo to the ipad

And yet . . . HP.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/h...-the-wild-meh/

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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

The previous estimate by this same company was wrong so I wouldn't agree that they are almost always right. I would guess it's it's a decent estimate though. It's also worth noting that there is a very healthy grey market for ipads being shipped overseas that these estimates don't account for.

Right. That was sarcasm. I don't put much credit into the 'estimates' that come out each week from various sources. \
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Or 200 different iPads in Starbucks.

You they could get it a lot more accurate if they disregard all Starbucks-like IP addresses since all of those devices are already going to be in the stats from their home wireless.

But yeah we will have to wait for Apple to release the numbers to really know.

But the fact that they are receiving a lot of hits means that it is going to be consuming a tons of web pages just like the iPhone.

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That's odd. Apple doesn't typically charge until the item ships.

But even if they held the money on your card (maybe it has to do with credit limit or experience buying on the Apple Store or something), I don't understand why it's a good sign. If they placed the charge hold as soon as you placed the order, that doesn't tell you ANYTHING about whether it's ready to ship (until to changes from 'hold' to 'charged).

They might have sent a shipping invoice. I paid for the iPad but I used my mother's iTunes account so the emails would go to her, and it already had her address set up.

No, it hasn't been on hold since I bought it last month. The hold is new, as stated, hence good news.
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post #63 of 102
Sales figures never report the number of iPads that have been returned due to customer dissatisfaction. Plenty of articles circulating about many of them being returned by the early adopters that realized they had no use for the "third device." Which means you should see them soon in the refurb section at reduced prices. Plus you should never believe "estimates."
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

Like this?

WRONG!!!!!
WHERE THE F*** HAVE YOU FANBOIS BEEN? HP is releasing the Slate this year, Dell is releasing the Looking F***ing Glass, the iPad is officially pwned as a lame-ass wannabe - no ports, no camera, dumbed-down OS - compared to freakin' awesome hardware designs running Windows F***in' 7 and AN F***in' DROID with more than 50,000 APPS!!!!!

YEAH!!! Wake up and smell the coffee you Cupertino Tools! Stop kissing Jobsey's A** and get a life fer crissakes!

Whoa! I see what you mean. I feel like Luke Skywalker being seduced by the Dark side. I can so see why they respond like that though - you just shut off your higher brain functions and let your primitive brain stem take over. I even had a strong desire to drag my knuckles on the floor and thump my chest! Wow!

Seriously have to stop doing that now - sorry guys. Hopefully some of the genuine article will show up and take up the workload. *WHEW*


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post #65 of 102
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

Yeah because both companies have the same resources.

Real good idea for everyone to have compared the joojoo to the ipad

Everyone didn't.

You always generalize. Always, every single time.
post #66 of 102
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Sales figures never report the number of iPads that have been returned due to customer dissatisfaction. Plenty of articles circulating about many of them being returned by the early adopters that realized they had no use for the "third device." Which means you should see them soon in the refurb section at reduced prices. Plus you should never believe "estimates."

'Plenty of articles'? Please enlighten us. I haven't seen ANY articles about significant numbers of iPads being returned - other than the incessant whining from Apple Haters on this and similar forums - but considering that these Apple Haters would probably never have bought one in the first place, their stories are questionable.

So please show where you've seen all these articles about them being returned.
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post #67 of 102
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Originally Posted by FormerARSgm View Post

Right. That was sarcasm. I don't put much credit into the 'estimates' that come out each week from various sources. \

My bad, my bad. Sorry bout that.
post #68 of 102
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

They were off by about 50k.

even if you give it a 50k either way lee way, it is very possible that they will be on track to have sold 1 million or very close by the 3g launch day. And that's rather impressive for a device boo'd as a big ipod touch. the numbers for the +3g and international could skyrocket.

No. Every time they have revised, they have revised down by 2 to 3 hundred thousand... and that's after resetting at levels like 500,000 (once) or 700,000 (later). In short, their rate has been at least 2x too high. Not a very good estimate... even for a WAG.

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post #69 of 102
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Originally Posted by masternav;

Yeah that was definitely spooky. I know it gave ME the willies!

I almost had to put you on my blocked poster list,
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And this isn't Worldwide launch yet.

I thought the same thing!

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

The AI report says: "The firm also found a way to track iPads by browser cookies, through a workaround that bypasses Mobile Safari's rejection of third-party cookies."

Perhaps I don't understand what it really means. Otherwise, am I the only one that finds this potentially invasive and hence, troublesome?

I agree, it's a worry. Especially as there is no Flash installed, as that wonderful piece of finely crafted software leaves behind browser preference ignoring permanent Local Shared Objects aka 'Flash Cookies'. If you are using FireFox the add-on "Better Privacy" deals with them for you. It cleaned out 180 of the little critters first time I ran it.
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post #72 of 102
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And Pigs don't know Pigs smell either

Water doesn't know that water is wet either.

I love those homespun and pithy agrarian sayings!

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Has anyone been charged yet for the 3G version they purchased?

I was charged by Apple for my 16GB 3G three or four days ago now.
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I am amused sometimes reading all those bold predictions here, especially the assured failure of [specify your target new Apple product here] because another device from [specify own favorite company here].

It was just a year ago when many who did not like the iPhone trumpeted the arrival of Palm Pre -- how it was much better than the iPhone, blah, blah, blah... especially when it is released by Verizon, and in other countries.

May those prophets who boldly posted here come forward, please?

Whether it is merely a rumor or not, much of what I am reading lately indicated that Palm is looking for a buyer? And, not many companies seem to want to buy.

Early this year, after the iPad was just announced, I challenged TechStud to a bet. I will stop posting here if the iPad will fail. Conversely, TechStud will stop posting, if the iPad succeeds.

TechStud shared that no one he knew ever wants an iPad. His implication: The iPad will fail.

So, I asked TechStud to define failure of the iPad:

1 million iPads? 2 million?

But, spineless that he is, TechStud was to coy to provide a specific number to define failure of the iPad. However, he considered the Kindle Reader a success. [To my knowledge, Amazon has never released a number for the "very successful" Kindle Reader.]

I renew that challenge to all those who posted in this thread, who claimed that the iPad is only bought by "fanbois".

What number makes the iPad a failure?

1 million iPads? 2? 3? ... 10 million sold this year?


Just set a number, please. If you can't step to the challenge, where's your bark and sting?

Unless of course, you still consider that 85 million iPhone OS mobile computing devices sold so far, (and counting) as a colossal failure -- bought only by "fanbois", and only to be returned immediately, as reported by many, many publications. Oh yeah, the 85 million is all a fabrication of Apple.

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Originally Posted by Mac Voyer View Post

I almost had to put you on my blocked poster list,

that I can be so convincing! Thank-you for almost ignoring me!

That accolade is worth more than applause! I still feel kind of dirty tho - like some of that negativity is somehow sticking to me.....

You MORONS! The stoopid piece of crap iPad doesn't even run Flash! You sit there locked in Jobsies little cages and act all smug n stuff but JUST YOU WAIT!!

Adobe will pwn you by giving all kinds of Flash luv to Android!!! HA!!!! How are you gonna deal with THAT!!!!

Geeeeez, guys - don't encourage this stuff! Gotta find my happy place. Think about gleaming new MacBook Pros - boiling coffee nononononononno!!!

OMG! OK - iPad WiFi+3G coming out on Friday, mmmmmmm, yeah. ABC app on iPad, yessss, insanely magically responsive touch screeen, oh yeah baby. *sigh* Man that was close. OK No more. Please for the love of all that's decent don't encourage this!

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

'Plenty of articles'? Please enlighten us. I haven't seen ANY articles about significant numbers of iPads being returned - other than the incessant whining from Apple Haters on this and similar forums - but considering that these Apple Haters would probably never have bought one in the first place, their stories are questionable.

So please show where you've seen all these articles about them being returned.

iPad Returns: Why 50 Buyers Returned their iPads

http://blog.vovici.com/blog/bid/2771...ed-their-iPads


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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

You can block them in your preferences.

If so, their numbers must surely be pulled out of a hat? (Unless they have a very good estimate of the proportion of iPads in which it is not blocked, and applied a correction factor; not clear how they would have that data, though).
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Originally Posted by Druth086 View Post

I was charged by Apple for my 16GB 3G three or four days ago now.

I haven't been charged as of today.... and that's a bit worrisome.... \
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

iPad Returns: Why 50 Buyers Returned their iPads

http://blog.vovici.com/blog/bid/2771...ed-their-iPads

ROTFLMAO.

260 returned iPads out of the first million. Massive, overwhelming returns. That really skews the numbers.

However look at the reasons for returns:
"Half of the returns are to upgrade to a 3G device from the current WiFi-only edition. "

Additional reasons for returns were to get an iPad with more memory and to get a MacBook Pro.

Yep, those iPads were so terrible that EVERYONE wanted to return them, right? Thanks for completely disproving your silly point.

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I was charged by Apple for my 16GB 3G three or four days ago now.

Charged or a hold put on your card?
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Thanks for completely disproving your silly point.

I made no point. I just posted a couple of stories that you asked for.

And I predicted that you would respond exactly as you did.
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