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Google on Monday revealed that it has canceled its HTC-manufactured Nexus One smartphone for Verizon in the U.S. In addition, Research in Motion announced that BlackBerry 6, its next mobile operating system, will be available in the next calendar quarter.

Verizon Nexus One canceled

When it was announced early this year, the Nexus One smartphone was planned for release on the Verizon network in spring 2010. But on Monday, Google quietly canceled the CDMA version of its smartphone.

Google updated its official Nexus One blog to recommend users instead preorder the new Droid Incredible from HTC, set to be released on April 29. The post called the Android-powered phone "a cousin of the Nexus One."

When contacted by AppleInsider Monday, a Google spokesperson provided the following statement: "We wont be selling a Nexus One with Verizon, and this is a reflection of the amazing innovation happening across the open Android ecosystem. Verizon Wireless customers who want an Android phone with the power of the Nexus One can get the Droid Incredible by HTC."

The Nexus One was released earlier this year as a GSM handset for T-Mobile. It can be bought unlocked and contract-free for $529. Like a number of other Android phones, it was dubbed as a potential "iPhone killer."

Previously, users who went to the official Nexus One site seeking a Verizon-compatible handset were told the device was "coming soon." Those who couldn't wait were advised to purchase a Motorola Droid, another smartphone based on Google's Android mobile operating system.



Despite a great deal of buzz surrounding its announcement, the Nexus One managed to sell an estimated 20,000 units in its first week, well behind not only Apple's iPhone, but also competing Android-based handsets. The myTouch 3G, also on T-Mobile's network, sold an estimated 60,000 in its first week, while the Motorola Droid with Verizon sold 250,000 units.

BlackBerry 6 coming next quarter

RIM co-CEO Mike Lazardis announced during an analyst call on Monday that BlackBerry 6, the next platform for the company's handsets, will be available in the third quarter of calendar 2010. According to Engadget, analysts who attended the event in person were showed a touchscreen interface, though the platform will be available for both touch and non-touch devices.

Lazardis also revealed that RIM wants every device in their portfolio to eventually run BlackBerry 6, but not everything that is available on the market today will be upgradeable. Lazardis reportedly said that the company will do their best to provide updates for users.
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Maybe they are starting to realize that they are fragmenting their market and decided to let the Droid have the Verizon share. Or maybe they are just copying Apple with GSM only.

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We won’t be selling a Nexus One with Verizon, and this is a reflection of the amazing innovation happening across the open Android ecosystem.

That is one hilarious bit of spin.

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post #4 of 60
"a cousin of the Nexus One."

The same measily 512MB ROM as the Nexus One.

Yes, Droid does apps... just a few apps.
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Looks like Motorola and HTC had a little backroom conversation with them. VZ probably did not mind since it allow them to pits all these companies against each other.
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That is one hilarious bit of spin.

Yeah, you'd better buy the Droid Incredible while you can. It will be gone in June.
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lol it's almost like Motorola got double screwed.
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Well... now even Google thinks it's not worth the time, effort, and investment of getting a Nexus phone outfitted and working on a network that no one outside of the U.S. uses. I wonder what the critics will say now about this?

Verizon needs to get a serious clue here. When everyone in the globe is standardized, Verizon will always be a 2nd-rate phone provider.
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They probably realize when all those support calls were coming the software types they have working for google were not equipped to deal with the public.
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Maybe they are starting to realize that they are fragmenting their market and decided to let the Droid have the Verizon share. Or maybe they are just copying Apple with GSM only.

Or that they're not equipped to take support calls like, HTC who makes the nexus one, is.
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What a turn off and a bad practice of false advertisement, Google!
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in other news:


Google stock price dives as Q1 Market Share Fall to 31% in China

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=109062
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Well... now even Google thinks it's not worth the time, effort, and investment of getting a Nexus phone outfitted and working on a network that no one outside of the U.S. uses. I wonder what the critics will say now about this?

Verizon needs to get a serious clue here. When everyone in the globe is standardized, Verizon will always be a 2nd-rate phone provider.

Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.
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With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.
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To anyone seriously considering an Incredible, you need to look at this:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/d...redible-review

Scroll down to the video they shot with it. Even take a look at the low resolution version. When they pan you can see stuttering, lots of it. So much of it that I would classify its video capability as extremely poor (even though the picture quality was good).

When you pan an iPhone you get video that's smooth as silk.

Now I know that stuttering video is just one thing, but it does show that the computin engine in the box is struggling to record every frame, even in low res. Tells me that it'll be struggling to do other things as well.
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With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad".

Of course, there is no better way to squash a competitor than to make everyone else start their photocopiers by starting your own. I'm sure they never mean for their "GooglePad" to be profitable either, just a fling to get the other manufacturers started copying Apple too.

/start anti-Google rant in an anti-Apple trollboy way

MAN! THAT STUPID GOOGLE!!! I was just HANKERING for a stinkin' FATCAT ANDROID NON-OPERATING SYSTEM!!! This is just BULL that I can't get The ONE Android phone that I was told would KILL Apple's stinking ihatePhone. I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, YOU STINKIN' GOOGLE!!!!!

/end rant

Wow, that is harder than I thought. (although the fact I don't curse probably has something to do with it too)
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Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.

In short, Verizon sucks !!
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Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.

While Verizon's 3G data network at its best is slower than AT&T's 3G at its best, Vz's 3G network coverage is certainly geographically superior. What that means for individual users depends on usage pattern and where they live or need to access cellular data services. As an example, where I live Vz (my previous carrier) has noticeably better coverage, but I've found AT&T to be quite adequate with my iPhone 3G.

Vz announced some time ago its plan to transition to LTE data networking, as has AT&T. Verizon's schedule is actually the more aggressive, although it remains to be seen how long their old data network will linger, especially in non-metro areas.
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That is one hilarious bit of spin.

Not really. The Nexus One would not be the flagship on Verizon, because of the Incredible. Because of Android innovation, the Nexus One lost its slot.

No spin.
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I'm really happy to see something here about the other competitors in the market. I'm a BlackBerry user, but love Apple gear. Nice to see something that actually acknowledges that other phones exist and are trying their best to compete.
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Verizon needs to get a serious clue here. When everyone in the globe is standardized, Verizon will always be a 2nd-rate phone provider.

That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.
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Funny how no comments on the new BB OS
yea like it matters
just think all those apps that only a few fragmented
BB users can use
android is the same
companies still push features till you realize you don't have
the OS you want
when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android
they should be held to the reality that many won't work

SJ is right it's the OS
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With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.

looks to me the only company they helped was HTC.

Nexus one is essentially the HTC Passion. With the Nexus label, they helped HTC become the de fecto standard Android fanboy worship ground.
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Funny how no comments on the new BB OS
yea like it matters
just think all those apps that only a few fragmented
BB users can use
android is the same
companies still push features till you realize you don't have
the OS you want
when they say we have x # of apps for BB or android
they should be held to the reality that many won't work

SJ is right it's the OS

Wow. I must
say, the breaks
in that post were
confusing to
say nothing about
nearly incoherent.
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Agreed. Verizon is in a heap of trouble. While many misinformed critics suggest that Verizon has a superior newtork, the reality is that it is slow, old, and obsolete. No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.

Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.

http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoen...3426&highlight
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No global cellphone maker wants anything to do with it (CDMA) anymore.

None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...

All Global. All have new CDMA products.
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That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.

Bad analogy. Macs were not technically inferior to PC's the way Verizon's CDMA is to GSM. In fact, a good argument could be made the other way; Verizon is the technically-inferior but more numerous PC. Except that it has a half-dozen Apples coming after it, not just one.
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Nexus One may be out for Verizon, but its still "coming soon" for Sprint. CDMA is not dead yet. More people in this country use CDMA than GSM.

Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.
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That's what everybody used to say about Apple when it was battling against Windows.

I see your point of view but PC's and handsets are different beasts. Apple was always a premium provider. It did not require 3rd party providers to necessarily commit big investments to use their platform.

Verizon (would like to think) is a premium provider based on their higher voice-quality adverts in this scenario. But a 3rd-party (Google) would have to commit lots of resources for limited payback.

Apple always did things on their own with minimal help from outsiders. Verizon does not make their own hardware and their "partners" don't want to outlay capital if they don't think they will get a good ROI.
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This was planned from the jump!
Google just wanted to get their stock up with a phone of their own but they knew they weren't in it for the long haul.
This is corporate BS at its best!
Google wins no matter what cause Android their mobile bread and butter for advertising money. As for the cell makers, they have their own business model and that is to sell phones.
HTC makes the N1 and that Incredible. They win no matter what also. And the early adopters of the N1 are running to the Incredible like flies to manure. And the early adopters of the incredible 1 will run to the Incredible 2(YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE!) by the end of the year.

Apple has a 1 phone per year business model. No other cell maker has that.
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However, the Nexus One has just been launched in Europe. Just a few months late.
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Well, for that matter, more people still watch standard definition than high definition. That doesn't make standard definition better, it's just been around for many years. Check back in a few years, standard def and CDMA will both be gone.

Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.

WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.

My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.
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The Nexus One won't be coming to Sprint either, primarily because the Evo 4g will be on that network in a few weeks.
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This whole fiasco was so obvious from the get-go. As I have said before, Google is trying to compete in so many different places and markets and segments -- all without a seemingly sensible strategy -- that many of its partners are getting ant-sy. People may have become increasingly suspicious of doing business with the company.

After all, SJ, Apple, or AI readers are not the only ones that will have noticed what Google did with a 'partner' when they had an inside view.
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Nice analogy, except that the number of people watching SD is decreasing and those using CDMA is increasing in the US. GSM has also been around longer than CDMA. That doesn't make it better, its just been around for many years.

WiMax is not CDMA and LTE is not GSM. So, technically they are both on their way out.

My BB Tour from Sprint works in more places than anything AT&T sells. CDMA carriers have phones that also work on GSM, but there are not many GSM carriers that sell CDMA phones.

It looks like the GSM usage is increasing in the US over CDMA. AT&T has been outshining Verizon's growth, even if just barely, but T-Mobile is also growing while Sprint is having some issues.

I'm ot sure about your BB Tour model but the problem I've seen with many of these "worldmode" phones is that the bands for North American GSM service are not included which still locks it into your CDMA and makes it impossible to use unless you're on another continent. Surely this won't affect all of them, but the fact that it is an issue with some is telling.

You have to wonder if a worldmode phone is so great then why aren't all phones made like this. Is it cost? Is it the size of the radio components? The power usage? it's something because these aren't common elements for cellphones, even among CDMA carriers who are losing ground to GS M carriers.
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With Nexus One, Google wanted to establish a base model for the phone manufacturers to use as a de facto design. By the look of things, Google achieved this goal and there is little benefit in spending more resources to support Verizon customers while their partners can take care of it. Google is probably very busy on the Google "iPad". Verizon or no, Google still wins with every Android phone shipped.

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Not really. The Nexus One would not be the flagship on Verizon, because of the Incredible. Because of Android innovation, the Nexus One lost its slot.

No spin.

You're hopeless.
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Looks like Motorola and HTC had a little backroom conversation with them. VZ probably did not mind since it allow them to pits all these companies against each other.

Not only that, but maybe VZ is trying their hardest to suck up to Apple, in the hopes of getting an iPhone on their network someday.
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None, except for HTC, RIM, Motorola, Samsung and more...

All Global. All have new CDMA products.

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That's not fair. Titanic passengers didn't know the ship was going to sink when got onboard.
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