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A developer has created an application that allows the iPhone and iPod touch to sync wirelessly with iTunes over Wi-Fi, and plans to submit the software to the App Store later this week.

The software, dubbed "Wi-Fi Sync," requires a separate desktop application on either a Mac OS X or Windows machine that allows the sync to occur over a wireless network. The developer, Greg Hughes, released a video that shows the syncing process with the application, which must first be approved by Apple before it could be released for the App Store.

The first sync includes a pairing process that must only be done once to verify that the iPhone is to be synced with the computer. Once a handset has been paired with a computer by accepting prompts on both devices, iTunes is launched on the computer and begins syncing with the mobile device.

The video shows off the feature with an iPod touch. When the sync is activated, the standard iPhone OS "Sync in Progress" screen, complete with a slide to cancel option, is displayed. When done, iTunes updated to say that the sync was completed and it was OK to disconnect -- just like if the device had been tethered via a USB cable.

Whether Wi-Fi Sync falls within the rules of Apple's iPhone OS developer agreement is unknown, but if the software relies on non-public application programming interfaces, it would likely be rejected. The developer said he believes his application doesn't break any of Apple's rules.



Engadget, which first discovered the video, suggested it would become available on the App Store "in your dreams," but presented the Cydia jailbroken marketplace as a potential alternative. In a comment on his YouTube video, Hughes said he'll consider his options should Apple reject the application.
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I want it!
Hopefully it will be approved...
post #3 of 40
This is useful.. But I think it isn't necessary...

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post #4 of 40
Interesting. Is this a private API call that enables this?
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Originally Posted by giosaccone View Post

This is useful.. But I think it isn't necessary...

Well...there are lots of apps currently on the appstore that are well short of being useful...

Likewise not many of them are necessary, either.
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Right - Lets try sync a couple of movies or Gb of music. No thanks - the device needs to be charged anyway so this may be just an excursive in creativity. IMHO
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Interesting. Is this a private API call that enables this?

probably not on the iphone side.

the "server" app tricked the iphone into thinking it's connected, the iPhone app's just for connecting it to the "server".
post #8 of 40
Would be nice if you could update your podcasts over wifi. Supposedly it can be done, but I can't find out how.

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Originally Posted by giosaccone View Post

This is useful.. But I think it isn't necessary...

You don't own an iPad, do you?

While it's no big deal to connect the iPhone to your Mac/PC when you get home in the evening, for charging, back up and syncing. The iPad cannot charge via USB in most cases, so you have the strange situation where you have to plug in to sync, then take it away and plug it into the mains for a charge.

There is no real reason not to offer this as part of iTunes, especially when you have thinga like Home Sharing on your computers anyway.

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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

You don't own an iPad, do you?

While it's no big deal to connect the iPhone to your Mac/PC when you get home in the evening, for charging, back up and syncing. The iPad cannot charge via USB in most cases, so you have the strange situation where you have to plug in to sync, then take it away and plug it into the mains for a charge.

So I see you don't have an iPad.

The lower powered USB does in fact charge the iPad, just not when the screen is on.
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Would be nice if you could update your podcasts over wifi. Supposedly it can be done, but I can't find out how.

Post if you know about it.

That's what I'd like it for. There are a couple of podcasts from the UK that I like to listen to in the morning when I walk the dog, and I'd like it if there was a way to have them available on my iPod Touch when I wake up, rather than me having to go and plug it into the Mac.

I hope Apple either develop their own way of doing this sync wirelessly, or allow this app. Whilst I agree it's not essential, it would be a nice to have.
post #12 of 40
ill be keeping my eye on this one in case it shows up for an hour like NetShare. Could be useful for the occasional across the room/house sync.

But for the most part, syncing makes the most sense if it takes place while also charging, so wireless syncing will never be that useful until you can transfer gb's in seconds.
post #13 of 40
potentially useful to supplement normal syncing. but as observed, not a replacement
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With Android and WebOS (and soon Windows Phone 7) offering free cloud-based syncing, it's sad that us iPhone users are forced to use USB cable (unless we pay $100/year for MobileMe or use Exchange Server).

Apple should offer a limited version of Mobile Me for "free" (I say free in quotes since we pay $30/month for iPhone data plan), one that omits email and large storage space.
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Originally Posted by filburt View Post

With Android and WebOS (and soon Windows Phone 7) offering free cloud-based syncing, it's sad that us iPhone users are forced to use USB cable (unless we pay $100/year for MobileMe or use Exchange Server).

Apple should offer a limited version of Mobile Me for "free" (I say free in quotes since we pay $30/month for iPhone data plan), one that omits email and large storage space.

actually gmail does provide activesync and it's free.
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Originally Posted by giosaccone View Post

This is useful.. But I think it isn't necessary...

You probably said the same about copy/paste , multitasking, and even third party apps (for the original iPhone. Would you rather the developer create yet another fart app instead?
post #17 of 40
See i, like many others i believe, would find this very useful. I currently use a dock plugged into the mains to charge my iphone, and i'm sure other people use sound docks such as home speaker systems etc. Therefore i do not need to plug in my iphone into my mac to charge it, only to sync it. So with this app i could sync while it is still being charged in my dock when i am at home, or could just sync it while i'm out without the need to carry a cable with me. Easy.
Yes i see that it wouldn't help with large movies etc, but just for the odd updated few tracks, or for a new podcast etc, this would be very useful. Hope apple either develops this itself, or approves this app!
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With Android and WebOS (and soon Windows Phone 7) offering free cloud-based syncing, it's sad that us iPhone users are forced to use USB cable (unless we pay $100/year for MobileMe or use Exchange Server).

Apple should offer a limited version of Mobile Me for "free" (I say free in quotes since we pay $30/month for iPhone data plan), one that omits email and large storage space.

I have to admit, I thought the way you could do pretty much everything through the cloud with the Google phone was a real plus point. Hopefully Apple will do something similar.
post #19 of 40
I hope the software isn't as crudely made as that video. Talk about bad marketing!
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post #20 of 40
Pretty much guaranteed to be rejected, but there's always hope that it'll spur Apple on to build in that functionality themselves. Let's say...iPhone OS 5.0?
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One of the biggest problem I have here at home is with my wife's dell laptop. When the lid is closed and it's in sleep mode, the usb is not being powered. So at night, her iphone is not being charged. If we could have the iphone plugged in to the wall and wirelessly sync it, then we would not have to worry about the laptop being awake or asleep.

Luckily, my macbook charges my iphone while asleep.

Yes, I know the answer is to get her a macbook. Easier said than done.
post #22 of 40
Zune HD already does this. Another way Apple is behind the curve.

Next thing will be iPhone can output HD video to tv. Wait for it.
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Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post

Would be nice if you could update your podcasts over wifi. Supposedly it can be done, but I can't find out how.

Post if you know about it.

You can't sync them with the Mac using just iTunes. But you can get new episodes via iTunes on the iPhone. There's a link on the iPod side for each podcast that launches itunes to look for more episodes. You can get them over 3 g if they are small enough.

Is that what you mean?


Personally i would like wifi sync. Especially with 802.11n on the iPad. My iTunes library resides in a different place from where i usually charge my phone. What's the harm in letting me choose how to do it?
post #24 of 40
100% fake you can see another iphone connected by usb behind the monitor.
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I can't believe it has taken so long to have such basic functionality.
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post #26 of 40
If it gets rejected please bring it to cydia. Can't wait.

Unless it's already there... gonna go check.
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post #27 of 40
If they bring wireless sync it will probably only be on the new phone (at the time), so this is a good app to have around whether it gets through (unlikely) or ends up on cydia.
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Zune HD already does this. Another way Apple is behind the curve.

Next thing will be iPhone can output HD video to tv. Wait for it.

I had a Zune before I had my iphone. I miss my wireless sync. Whenever my zune was docked in the kitchen on the radio and it wasn't playing music it would sync. I just had to grab in on the way out the door and never had to worry if I downloaded the new podcasts or transferred my new tunes. I really miss that feature. Really, that is the only thing I miss because the iphone is pretty sweet. I think Apple won't due wifi sync due to it's speed.
post #29 of 40
I hope it's approved.
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I hope it's approved.

Well if its not, at least it will definitely sell on RockYourPhone

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One of the biggest problem I have here at home is with my wife's dell laptop. When the lid is closed and it's in sleep mode, the usb is not being powered. So at night, her iphone is not being charged. If we could have the iphone plugged in to the wall and wirelessly sync it, then we would not have to worry about the laptop being awake or asleep.

Luckily, my macbook charges my iphone while asleep.

Yes, I know the answer is to get her a macbook. Easier said than done.

On my work machine - ThinkPad T61p - there is a setting to leave the USB powered on when the machine is asleep.
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Originally Posted by giosaccone View Post

This is useful.. But I think it isn't necessary...

How about when you're late getting out the door, you want to quickly sync a podcast or a few tracks to listen to in the car, and you can't find your goddamn cable? The device has wifi; it's insane that wifi syncing isn't possible.

Let's see what the overlords decide.
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So I see you don't have an iPad.

The lower powered USB does in fact charge the iPad, just not when the screen is on.

I do and I never knew that. I have just plugged my iPad into the Dell here at work, screen is off it was 31% charged. I'll look in an hour to see if it's gone up.

If it has, thanks for the tip. **edit - OK it does, vveerrryyy slowly. About 5% in an hour.


I still think wireless syncing is something we should have. The Zune has had it for 3 years...

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Originally Posted by Carlo Pagani View Post

Right - Lets try sync a couple of movies or Gb of music. No thanks - the device needs to be charged anyway so this may be just an excursive in creativity. IMHO

Just like wireless Time Machine backups to an Apple Time Capsule. Apple should either remove wireless Time Machine backup capability, or discontinue Time Capsule entirely.
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Personally i would like wifi sync. Especially with 802.11n on the iPad. My iTunes library resides in a different place from where i usually charge my phone. What's the harm in letting me choose how to do it?

Because the very thought of having a feature that they personally don't need is so offensive to some people, they would prefer that nobody gets to have it at all.

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody cares about third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.

Apple will not make a 3G iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.

Apple will not add GPS to the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.

Apple will not add copy and paste to the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.

Apple will not add multitasking to the iPhone. Nobody cares about multitasking.

Apple will not make a tablet. Nobody cares about tablets.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
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Right - Lets try sync a couple of movies or Gb of music. No thanks - the device needs to be charged anyway so this may be just an excursive in creativity. IMHO

My phone charges for at least 8 hours every night in a dock no where near my computer.

I think it's ridiculous that with everything else we have there is this absolutely asinine arbitrary restriction.

I hardly sync "gigabytes of movies or music" regularly - but I routinely sync a hundred gigs of new podscasts or other daily content. It's a massive PITA to tether my iPhone to do so, and wholly unnecessary.

And even if I wanted to re-sync my entire phone over wifi, who the heck cares? If I want to let it go literally all night long, oh well! It's not hurting one damn thing.

I sincerely hope this app gets in and I think it's crazy it took a third party developer to do something that should be in the @^#^%! OS.
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But for the most part, syncing makes the most sense if it takes place while also charging, so wireless syncing will never be that useful until you can transfer gb's in seconds.

I very rarely charge my phone at my computer. I have multiple iPod accessories from car kits and powered speakers where I use my iPhone. Again if my phone is plugged in overnight to charge by my bed, why do I need to transfer gigabytes in seconds?

And as others pointed out, this idiotic restriction makes even less sense for the iPad.
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Originally Posted by filburt View Post

With Android and WebOS (and soon Windows Phone 7) offering free cloud-based syncing, it's sad that us iPhone users are forced to use USB cable (unless we pay $100/year for MobileMe or use Exchange Server).

MobileMe doesn't sync iTunes content, and it has nothing to do with this program. This program gives you sync with iTunes - but instead of via a USB cable, it's over wifi.

That's it. Your MobileMe light suggestion doesn't address what this program does.

Something that should be built into the OS, from Apple, is instead delivered by a developer. Ridiculous...
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Because the very thought of having a feature that they personally don't need is so offensive to some people, they would prefer that nobody gets to have it at all.

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody cares about third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.

Apple will not make a 3G iPhone. Nobody cares about 3G.

Apple will not add GPS to the iPhone. Nobody cares about GPS.

Apple will not add copy and paste to the iPhone. Nobody cares about copy and paste.

Apple will not add multitasking to the iPhone. Nobody cares about multitasking.

Apple will not make a tablet. Nobody cares about tablets.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.

I guess your point is that Apple does listen to customers and willingly adapts to make their products more useful, right?? At least, that is the point you just proved. You seem to be angry that they didn't do EVERYTHING, all at once.
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

MobileMe doesn't sync iTunes content, and it has nothing to do with this program. This program gives you sync with iTunes - but instead of via a USB cable, it's over wifi.

That's it. Your MobileMe light suggestion doesn't address what this program does.

Something that should be built into the OS, from Apple, is instead delivered by a developer. Ridiculous...

Maybe not so ridiculous, and your answer suggests a reason why maybe it's not so ridiculous. This function should be built into the OS? Meaning, works only on a Mac? Has that been Apple's approach to supporting their mobile devices? Since it hasn't been Apple's approach, this function would have to be supported within iTunes for both Mac and Windows. Possibly this results in issues that are more complex to address than the "we just should have it" crowd allows.

What's more, we don't know if this (so far) non-product even works. That extremely unprofessional video tells me nothing more than the people who produced it are extremely unprofessional. I certainly would not use it as proof positive that this problem has been solved.
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