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post #41 of 61
Holy smokes, it's Knowledge Navigator. Run an OS level integrated version of Siri on the iPad plus speech instead of text responses and we're like 90% of the way there.
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Long video but fascinating

Siri is a lot deeper than what many may think

http://vimeo.com/5424527


I have a hunch that Apple has been behind Sir for quite some time. Perhaps over a year. The relationship between Apple and Siri was pretty cozy sounding.

Wow! I knew about the patents below, but the Siri demo ties it all together.

This isn't just an app it's an ecosystem and the infrastructure to support it.

Thanks for that!

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Also look at Apple's recently patents.

iGroups - Social networking
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patentl...velopment.html

iTunes ticket purchasing (gets more powerful with something like Siri)
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patentl...et-system.html

Both of these patents now add more weight with Siri acquisition.

Very clever acquisition from Apple.
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post #43 of 61
What's interesting about siri is, they referenced the apple Knowledge Navigator during their presentation. So in some ways they are working towards a common goal.
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What's interesting about siri is, they referenced the apple Knowledge Navigator during their presentation. So in some ways they are working towards a common goal.

Very much so and there's going to be an extensive API backing up this Siri front end. That's where the money is in it for Apple.
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post #45 of 61
Not everything in the demo is in the iPhone app!

It should [try to] set itself up based on info it already has (your email, your contact info , etc).

and it doesn't multitask (save & resume state)... yet!

...but it's really, really nice!

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The only downside I see is that Apple will probably require that all restaurants and movies be approved before being included in their version of Siri's app.

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That would be great! If you want a porno theater, you can always use Android.
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That would be great! If you want a porno theater, you can always use Android.

I just tried R-Rated movies and it worked fine...

for X-rated movies it redirected to adult retail stores... same for porn!

I guess that a VA will need parental guidance.

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The last model was pretty good. A friend still uses his for this and that.

i still use mine!
not very often.
and only because it amuses me.
post #49 of 61
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What's interesting about siri is, they referenced the apple Knowledge Navigator during their presentation. So in some ways they are working towards a common goal.

knowledge navigator was my first thought. they better learn very quickly not to utter those two words together when steve is around...
post #50 of 61
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Long video but fascinating

Siri is a lot deeper than what many may think

http://vimeo.com/5424527


I've just started to watch the first few minutes of that video and I have to say, it looks quite interesting. When I saw the first couple of lines of the description, though, ("We are beginning to see a new interaction paradigm for the web: the Virtual Personal Assistant (VPA). A VPA is task focused: it helps you get things done.") it immediately made me think of Megaman (as geeky as that sounds). The new games feature those "Net Navis" which are little characters that live in your PDA and interact with you and help you organize your day, as if they were real people. Then with that first clip they showed, that seems to be exactly the technology they're pushing!
post #51 of 61
This is such an astute acquisition by Apple and what you're going to see is that most of the news organizations will not cover it beyond "Apple bought some search company".

The technology behind Siri is actually mind boggling. Apple has been investing in developing Semantic tools (which is really the next frontier) and Siri is yet another big leap towards taking computers closer to artificial intelligence.

For instance they have spoken about Latent Semantic Mapping being added to some tools and lo and behold they have an employee well versed in the technology. Jerome Bellegarda.

Google acquired Aardvark for its social searching tools but I think Siri is on another level with regard to their ambitions hence it's rumored Apple spent upwards of 200 million dollars for Siri (who say they've invested 200 million dollars in their R&D).

The money is here. Siri works with roughly 40 external structured API (like Yelp, Google Maps, OpenTable etc) there's really no limit to how many API services they can support. They then run these API through their "secret sauce" which according to one of the slides is what they call their Domain & Task Models and then on to the UI which is their "Guided Dialog"

Is this a threat to Google? Yup. If Apple creates the "mashup of all mashups" that delivers excellent results then people will flock to the service and Apple will reap huge licensing rewards on the backend and won't even have to advertise (though that could be another revenue stream).

I don't think you can look at it any other way. This acquisition is larger than what most are assuming.
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post #52 of 61
"Siri, tell me how you will combine with the new cloud computer being constructed in North Carolina to allow me to find out almost anything"
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post #53 of 61
I find this rather interesting considering that I'm one of the few people who use text to speech daily just because I'm odd enough to enjoy my computer reading the news, my emails, and even posts on this thread, to me. I suppose I watched 2010 far too many times as a kid and wanted a computer that actually could understand me and do what I ask.

If Apple is able to make this work in a way that really is seamless, I'm going to be very impressed. Many of us have waited a very long time for it to happen. I'm guessing this will be rolled into MobileMe, as it would have to deal with scheduling in iCal, our email, and our address book just to begin with. I've always wondered just how many GHz it would take before our computers just understood us.

Do you think this might be a core element of 10.7? Just curious. This has got to be for far more than just the iPhone and iPad. Any Mac with a microphone should be able to use it.
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I find this rather interesting considering that I'm one of the few people who use text to speech daily just because I'm odd enough to enjoy my computer reading the news, my emails, and even posts on this thread, to me. I suppose I watched 2010 far too many times as a kid and wanted a computer that actually could understand me and do what I ask.

If Apple is able to make this work in a way that really is seamless, I'm going to be very impressed. Many of us have waited a very long time for it to happen. I'm guessing this will be rolled into MobileMe, as it would have to deal with scheduling in iCal, our email, and our address book just to begin with. I've always wondered just how many GHz it would take before our computers just understood us.

Do you think this might be a core element of 10.7? Just curious. This has got to be for far more than just the iPhone and iPad. Any Mac with a microphone should be able to use it.

Hell Brian when you think about it the Devil in the details here really isn't just voice. Voice is just one of the easiest input modality we can choose. Once Apple is able to get the system down so that it cleverly knows or adapts to the context of the individual it suddenly turbocharges not only your voice input but can be enacted upon any bit of text as well.

For example rather than selecting a word and choosing "Search Google" from a contextual menu with Siri technology I should be able to highlight a sentence and run that through the personal assistant with equal results.

Wherever we search Google today would in essence be replaced with Siri and, if Apple does it correctly, better results.

Listening back to the iPhone OS 4.0 announcement, Jobs said during the iAd section

"on the desktop search is where it's at. But on a mobile device...search is not where it's at. What's happening is they're spending all their time in apps"

Job's basically telegraphed the next step. iAd for 3rd party apps and with the Siri acquisition the web company API will be powering the backend.

The next few years will be very interesting. I do think Apple will be integrating Siri into Mac OS X as well as iPhone OS.
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post #55 of 61
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Wherever we search Google today would in essence be replaced with Siri and, if Apple does it correctly, better results.

The next few years will be very interesting. I do think Apple will be integrating Siri into Mac OS X as well as iPhone OS.

Hmurchison, I like the way you're seeing this, but I have to admit that if this thing is search-centric, it's going to be less appealing to me than if they make it more interactive. I know I'm not the normal user here because I rarely ever search for things. I do search, but it's not even something I use my computer for the majority of the time. Searching is great, and there are awesome uses for it that were demonstrated in the video of Siri. I just think they ought to make it more broad reaching.

For instance, if I ask if the Mariners are playing at home this weekend, I don't want the thing to give me a website. I want a simple spoken answer, "Yes, they are.", or "No, they aren't". If I ask, "Which way is faster to SeaTac, I5 or I405 from Lynnwood?" I want to know if there are slowdowns or traffic accidents on one of them and which one would currently be faster. Those are two examples, but I think it demonstrates how I want there to be more than a link to a page after it figures out what I want. I actually want it to tell me what I want to know.

Hopefully this acquisition of Siri will move us in that direction.
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Hmurchison, I like the way you're seeing this, but I have to admit that if this thing is search-centric, it's going to be less appealing to me than if they make it more interactive. I know I'm not the normal user here because I rarely ever search for things. I do search, but it's not even something I use my computer for the majority of the time. Searching is great, and there are awesome uses for it that were demonstrated in the video of Siri. I just think they ought to make it more broad reaching.

For instance, if I ask if the Mariners are playing at home this weekend, I don't want the thing to give me a website. I want a simple spoken answer, "Yes, they are.", or "No, they aren't". If I ask, "Which way is faster to SeaTac, I5 or I405 from Lynnwood?" I want to know if there are slowdowns or traffic accidents on one of them and which one would currently be faster. Those are two examples, but I think it demonstrates how I want there to be more than a link to a page after it figures out what I want. I actually want it to tell me what I want to know.

Hopefully this acquisition of Siri will move us in that direction.

Yes yes yes for brevity's sake I didn't go here but one obvious missing link in the current software is speech synthesis. Apple did great work on the voice Alex but hasn't really touch their voice synthesis much lately. They need to fire it back up because using natural language input is only have the equation for a personal assistant software. We have to be able to get verbal confirmation about our queries and be able to delegate the next step.

Something this this won't fly unless Apple integrates is deeply within both OS. After spending a couple hundred million (estimated) I think they probably have every intention of doing that. Great examples by the way.
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post #57 of 61
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sync

http://www.fordvehicles.com/technology/sync/

My father has it in his Flex. Pretty slick.

It is not the same type of technology as Siri however, Siri is all about combining limitless APIs rather than simply being a way to speak and control things from a pre set of known conditions.

Siri is a paradigm shift which will only become apparent over time for most people, if ever, as they will undoubtedly become used to its powers and take it for granted and will simply wonder how we lived before it existed.

The price if reported is correct of $200 M is correct it is a bargain, the CEO of Siri said they had that much in R&D alone since development started.
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post #58 of 61
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Hmurchison, I like the way you're seeing this, but I have to admit that if this thing is search-centric, it's going to be less appealing to me than if they make it more interactive. I know I'm not the normal user here because I rarely ever search for things. I do search, but it's not even something I use my computer for the majority of the time. Searching is great, and there are awesome uses for it that were demonstrated in the video of Siri. I just think they ought to make it more broad reaching.

For instance, if I ask if the Mariners are playing at home this weekend, I don't want the thing to give me a website. I want a simple spoken answer, "Yes, they are.", or "No, they aren't". If I ask, "Which way is faster to SeaTac, I5 or I405 from Lynnwood?" I want to know if there are slowdowns or traffic accidents on one of them and which one would currently be faster. Those are two examples, but I think it demonstrates how I want there to be more than a link to a page after it figures out what I want. I actually want it to tell me what I want to know.

Hopefully this acquisition of Siri will move us in that direction.

I agree. Playing with it for the last hour has opened my eyes. It truly builds the next logical step from web search. If Google are attempting the same API integration themselves I have to think they'd keep that for Android. Siri is a huge step towards the Knowledge Navigator for sure. I fondly remember seeing that video at Apple HQ in the UK back when that was made at a meeting for Apple Dealers. I have waited for it since then

I assume the acquisition will keep this away from Android, I saw the CEO stating they were intending to have an Android system soon but that was said prior to Apple take over. I also note there is nothing as of this morning on Siri's own web site or blog about the take over.
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post #59 of 61
I've downloaded Siri for my iPhone 3Gs and I like the way it works, though I can obviously see a lot more potential than what is actually being offered. I'll continue to play with it until Apple does something with it, which could be a while if there's some major Knowledge Navigator stuff happening.

One thing I'd like to see, and I'll say it here so that it's said, knowing that Apple doesn't acknowledge suggestions, is that I'd like to see an option that is extremely easy to get to that allows me to turn on Siri (or whatever they'll call it) and make it voice activated only. The primary concern I have is driving. Here in Washington State we can now be pulled over for talking with a cell phone to our ear and given a rather substantial ticket. The way I presently "safety" my phone is to put it into Airplane Mode every time I drive. Doing this means jumping to the home screen (or wherever you keep your Settings Icon), and then sliding the Airplane Mode slider from left to right. It's not overly complex a thing to do, especially to people who rarely use a feature like that.

I just think Apple did a fantastic job with easy silencing of the iPhone, and the same simplicity ought to be able to make sure that Siri automatically takes my calls to voicemail while I'm driving (and tells them when answering that I'm driving and unavailable), doesn't bother to give me the new email chime, or the incoming text sound (and sends the people who texted me a quick message telling them that I'm driving and won't respond to their text until I'm out from behind the wheel). That's what an actual assistant would do while I was busy with something else. I love the idea of this, and I really do hope Apple doesn't pull any punches here. I guess I just see this technology doing more than what is currently being discussed.

I'd like to see Siri automatically ask me (verbally) if I'd like to add a get together to iCal if I get a text or email indicating such. If my sister's birthday is coming up and I'm prompted by Siri that it's coming up, I think I ought to be able to tell Siri to send some flowers to her, not exceeding $50. Siri already knows my sister's address, and knows the florist I have an account with. Siri ought to be an assistant and make it happen once I've stated that I want it done. There are many examples I could give where this technology would be extremely valuable. I can manage pretty much everything already with my iPhone. I just want to be able to use Siri system wide, and be able to have it "just work" with my Mac, and my iPhone. Perhaps I'm asking a little much. I just think we ought to have these sorts of discussions to get ideas out into the open. It'd be all the better if Apple actually listened.
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post #60 of 61
IMO, the acquisition of Siri will be as important as Apple's acquisition of FingerWorks!

Combine these with the mapping and demographic capabilities of PlaceBase.

Done right, Apple will imbed this in both Mac OS X and Mobile OS X, and make the APIs available to developers.

Developers will swarm to Apple as they will have a several-year lead on the competition.

From the user's perspective "it" will evolve as follows:

Before today: we manually google for topics; get results; analyze results; do another google...

Today with Siri: we ask Siri; it figures out what we want/when; provides answers and/or makes suggestions; we select from options. Siri learns about us (without telling anybody else) and customizes its behavior to us and how we use it. Siri becomes a very good Personal Assistant.

Tomorrow, with Siri II: Based on continued use, Siri II participates in more and more of our activities and our interfaces to others. Siri II can remember things, anticipate things and will assume the duties of Personal Manager....

"Your wife's birthday is on the 29th. I rescheduled your client meeting from that afternoon to next Tuesday. I ordered this dress for your wife (in her current size) for delivery at 10:00AM; and a romantic dinner reservation at Café Boef at 7:30 PM. The limo will pick you up at 6:45 PM."

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IMO, the acquisition of Siri will be as important as Apple's acquisition of FingerWorks!

Yeah I really like their (Tom Gruber) vision for Siri.
It'll be super awesome if they integrate it further into the OS (Mac OS Also).
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