Originally Posted by SpotOn
Steve had a decision, either make a tablet like the HP Slate and run Flash, or go without Flash and create a cheaper slimmer device with better battery life that would sell more units than the Slate.
So Steve chose the lower price and the war with Flash as to beat HP on price and gain market share.
That's largely irrelevant. Apple decided not to use Flash in 2007 when the original iPhone came out. At that time, it wasn't even Apple's decision - because there was no full version of Flash for mobile devices. Wait....there STILL isn't.
Originally Posted by SpotOn
Of course the war with Flash is really not with Adobe, but to get websites to make iPad versions of their sites so users of the iPad won´t complain to their friends thinking about getting one.
It´s a no brainer why iPad supplies have been constrained on purpose and the 3G model is weeks away. Apple is giving web sites time to convert as to have minimal impact on iPad users, and to create the sense the device is being sold out everywhere, that itś in high demand.
I wish people would get their facts straight. There IS no Flash war with Adobe. Even if Apple WANTED to put Flash on the iPhone, there is no full version of Flash available. The version that's only been delayed half a dozen times and may come out this summer requires an 800 MHz A8 - so it won't run on the iPhone, anyway. The war ended when Adobe failed to show up.
The 3G model is weeks away? That's funny, my tracking number says it will be here tomorrow. No, it won't be available in all areas, but it WILL be available tomorrow - please stop making up lies.
Furthermore, your statement that supplies have been constrained on purpose is a pretty serious accusation. The CEO of one of the top companies in the world said they were making them as fast as possible and supplies were limited because demand exceeded expectations. If you're calling him a liar, you'd better have evidence -- or a pretty good lawyer.
Originally Posted by addabox
I like living in the Adobe fantasy world where every
mobile device but
Apple's runs Flash fine with no degradation of battery life and excellent performance. It's obviously trivially easy to do, since Adobe has had the technology ready to go since the beginning of '09 I mean mid '09 I mean late '09 I mean early '10 I mean mid '10 I mean late '10.
Come on, Apple, get with the program!
You forgot - in Adobe's fantasy world, EVERY mobile device has an 800 MHz A8 or faster.
Originally Posted by mstone
The lie is a blank Flash document uses 120%.
Nice of you to accuse me of lying without bothering to check the facts. I was the one who claimed that Flash shot my CPU to 120%. I never claimed it was a blank document. I said it was a document that had no video or animation. You can check it for yourself - if you have an ounce of integrity - rather than simply calling people a liar. MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33 GHz. Go to www.webkinz.com
and log in. Then check the CPU usage.
Or, you could check Engadget's web site for tests of the new beta. The release version (which I am using) goes as high as 140% - on a system that's a lot more powerful than mine, although they were using a more complicated task.http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/a...sults-may-var/
So stop accusing people of lying - especially when you don't know what you're talking about.
Originally Posted by hobbes-99
Fair enough, reasoned and valid points. Especially about flash lite. I accept defeat.
The only point I'm trying to make is that Android has stated they will be including full flash (I think in 2.2?) and the pace that the specs of handsets have been increasing in my opinion it will not be an issue in the future, and I had hoped for the possibility of a U turn in the future, this is looking less and less likely.
Apple was supposed to have made a decision in 2007 based on Adobe's promises for the future (promises which they've repeatedly broken)? And based on Adobe's horrible history of supporting the Mac over the past 10 years? Even today, there are no cell phones on the market that support full versions of Flash and we only have Adobe's word that we'll have them sometime this year. AND, a number of reports on the beta say it's slow and choppy, as well. So Apple should have put all their iPhone plans on hold in 2007 waiting for Adobe to release Flash? And given up many billions of dollars in revenues? I'm glad you're not running any company I'm invested in.