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Fourth generation iPhone prototype's finder, keeper revealed

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The individual who found the lost iPhone prototype and held it for weeks before delivering it to Gizmodo for a reported $5,000 has been identified as Brian Hogan, a 21 year old resident of Redwood City, California.

A posting by the Wired Threat Level blog named the individual as it continued to present a revised history of events that portrayed Hogan's failure to return the phone for weeks as a "mistake" and his sale of the device to Gizmodo as "sharing."

Hogan attorney Jeffrey Bornstein told Wired that Gizmodo has "emphasized" to his client that "there was nothing wrong in sharing the phone with the tech press," a restatement of events apparently intended to downplay the fact that the tech blog publicly paid Hogan for receipt of a device that clearly did not belong to him.

The blog posting stated Hogan was only able to access Facebook on the prototype phone before it was shut down. Gizmodo reported the phone owner's identity via that Facebook page, making it clear that Hogan had detailed knowledge of who the phone belonged to, despite Hogan's decision to hold onto it for weeks before selling it to Gizmodo along with the identity of the engineer who had lost it.

Additional middlemen complicate investigation

A subsequent report by CNET noted that Hogan "had help in finding a buyer for the phone." It identified "Sage Robert Wallower, a 27-year-old University of California at Berkeley student" as an associate of Hogan.

CNET said Wallower acted as a middleman, along with at least one other unnamed individual, who "contacted technology sites about what is believed to be Apple's next-generation iPhone." It also noted that Wallower "previously worked as a computer security officer at the publicly traded Securitas corporation and that he possesses 'top-secret clearance,'" according to his LinkedIn profile.

The report also noted discovery of an Amazon suggestion list created for Wallower by a friend which included "a book co-authored by ex-hacker Kevin Mitnick titled, 'The Art of Intrusion: The Real Stories Behind the Exploits of Hackers, Intruders and Deceivers.'"

That title is particularly ironic given that former black hat hacker Mitnick is an associate of Kevin Poulsen, aka Dark Dante, who spent the second half of the 1990s in federal prison for mail, wire and computer fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice, and the second half of the 2000s in his current role as the senior editor of Wired and its Threat Level blog.

Blog Levels Threats

Wired's latest blog posting sympathetically characterizes Hogan as working in a church-run community center and serving as a volunteer benefiting Chinese orphans as well as orphans in Kenya who need medical care. A previous Threat Level blog entry on the iPhone prototype story debuted the idea that "news accounts depicting the $5,000 payment as a 'sale' are incorrect," setting the stage for later identifying Hogan as a hero to orphans worldwide, who simply 'made a mistake involving sharing,' rather than being a thief who sold stolen merchandise for thousands of dollars instead of returning it to its known owner.

As the senior editor for Wired, Poulsen has previously presided over a series of articles written by the authors of the latest posting, Brian X. Chen and Kim Zetter, which ranged from assailing the iPhone as being "as insecure as Windows 95" to its being hated in Japan.

In those earlier reports, Zetter delivered an unflattering portrayal of the iPhone's security credentials based on faulty reasoning and questionable sources, while Chen based his report on the iPhone's supposed failure in Japan upon invented sources who later insisted they never made the comments Chen attributed to them.
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Use the taser!!!!! the taser!!!!!
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CNET said Wallower acted as a middleman, along with at least one other unnamed individual, who "contacted technology sites about what is believed to be Apple's next-generation iPhone." It also noted that Wallower "previously worked as a computer security officer at the publicly traded Securitas corporation and that he possesses 'top-secret clearance,'" according to his LinkedIn profile.

So much for that career path.
post #4 of 120
They are so fucked.

"Sharing" whatever.
post #5 of 120
Just don't drop the soap, boys!
post #6 of 120
Well, if Appleinsider isn't cut from a similar mold as Gizmodo...

People are vilifying Gizmodo for identifying the Apple employee who lost the prototype, and then this appears on Appleinsider without the complete facts as to the person's involvement in the matter.

The words "alleged" and "not charged with any crime" are ones you should think over, Daniel.

So, if this person has not been charged with any crime, is it any worse that Gizmodo identified the Apple employee than Appleinsider identifying this person?

And people wonder why true journalists, journalist, bloggers, and people who assemble incomplete facts, are sometimes lumped into the same category.

Daniel, I often enjoy your thoughts and commentaries, but I don't appreciate this one. But, I'm now asking myself why Appleinsider would be any different than Gizmodo?

No, I don't recall if you called out Gizmodo for identifying the Apple employee, but thousands did. I don't see this as any different.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Greg
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That's a really horrible effort at spin control. What was the $5000 payment for, again? To allow Gizmodo "access" to property which neither Hogan or Gizmodo had a legal right to?

They should just shut up and let the lawyers handle it. They're digging themselves in deeper and deeper every time they try and explain this.
post #8 of 120
While I think that this kid, in effect did steal it by trying to sell it to Engadget and Gizmodo, I don't think he should be prosecuted. Everyone is fallible and makes mistakes. He sounds decent if what his lawyer says is true. The evil party is Gizmodo for revealing the Apple engineer's name.

If it was me, though, I would have sent the device back to Apple with a note hoping to get a MBP and the new iPhone when it comes out.
post #9 of 120
I guess they will spend more than $5,000 on legal fees. Maybe they should have used their brains before acting.
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post #11 of 120
FFS Dilger, why get your nuts in such a twist? I don't typically agree with much of what you write. It follows a particular formula that you dust off time and time again. But lately you've been ranting. Not upset, I'm kinda annoyed ranting, but really off-your-tree, commit-me-please, you-republicans-are-dopey-f*ckers ranting.

This 'article' is so thinly disguised as news - it's really an editorial piece for the offence you've taken to the giz saga. It's like the giz personally put a dagger in your heart. Just get over it already.

BTW, why didn't Apple or Powell immediately report the theft? Isn't that what a sane person would do? Rather than wait weeks? Weeks? Apple's famed secrecy may have been compromised but that's a real risk when you play those kinds of games.
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I'm so sick of these San Francisco liberal wackos (and liberal wacko felons) who characterize theft as "sharing" and suggest Apple is the new Third Reich when it moves to protect its trade secrets.

When is that next major earthquake due? It couldn't come soon enough...
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Use the taser!!!!! the taser!!!!!

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I'm so sick of these San Francisco liberal wackos (and liberal wacko felons) who characterize theft as "sharing" and suggest Apple is the new Third Reich when it moves to protect its trade secrets.

When is that next major earthquake due? It couldn't come soon enough...

Hoping for an earthquake to kill the boogeyman is unlikely to be effective.
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Originally Posted by k2director;

I'm so sick of these San Francisco liberal wackos (and liberal wacko felons)

When is that next major earthquake due? It couldn't come soon enough...

Then I'm sure you include Jobs and most employees of Apple because they are one of the most liberal companies in the Valley. Give everyone a break and keep your teabag talk for the next meetup.
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Wow! I am so impressed somebody got the reference. Now I am emboldened to make further bows to fellow knuckleheads.
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Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

Well, if Appleinsider isn't cut from a similar mold as Gizmodo...

People are vilifying Gizmodo for identifying the Apple employee who lost the prototype, and then this appears on Appleinsider without the complete facts as to the person's involvement in the matter.

The words "alleged" and "not charged with any crime" are ones you should think over, Daniel.

So, if this person has not been charged with any crime, is it any worse that Gizmodo identified the Apple employee than Appleinsider identifying this person?

And people wonder why true journalists, journalist, bloggers, and people who assemble incomplete facts, are sometimes lumped into the same category.

Daniel, I often enjoy your thoughts and commentaries, but I don't appreciate this one. But, I'm now asking myself why Appleinsider would be any different than Gizmodo?

No, I don't recall if you called out Gizmodo for identifying the Apple employee, but thousands did. I don't see this as any different.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Greg

AI isn't outing the guy. They're reporting on what was revealed by Wired and CNET.

Also, this is much different from outing the engineer. In both cases, outing wasn't illegal, but outing the engineer was definitely a douche move by Gizmodo. Wired and CNET are reporting on a public case and didn't break any laws to do so. The finder was going to be named at some point due to his own unethical actions.

"Innocent until proven guilty."

All of what I have said is based on the claims of Gizmodo and Hogan himself.
post #18 of 120
Just because someone does good in one area in life, that itself doesn't absolve them mistakes or transgressions made in another.

"sharing"? The phone wasn't sold? Was it rented then? Was it an access fee? Wired sometimes has some silly editorials, and it's not a new thing.

Now we're more sure the finder knew who the rightful holder of the phone was, I'd like to see them explain better why the phone wasn't returned directly to that person. None of this "got lost in the phone bank" excuse works for me. Knowing the Facebook profile is enough, sign up for a fake account if you have to, and search for the guy's name & profile and send them a message. That takes all of five minutes.
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Is Wired's Brian X. Chen in any way related to Gizmodo's Jason Chen?

Update: Brian X. Chen answered in the Wired article comments that no, he is not related.
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The individual who found the lost iPhone prototype and held it for weeks before delivering it to Gizmodo for a reported $5,000 has been identified as Brian Hogan, a 21 year old resident of Redwood City, California.



Hogannnnnn!

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Just don't drop the soap, boys!

Yep, hope they are 'built' for jail. I would start working out and getting some 'tats' now! Maybe grow a pony tail too. Wait, my girlfriend has a pony tail...scratch that last suggestion and stick with the tats and working out!
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That's a really horrible effort at spin control. What was the $5000 payment for, again? To allow Gizmodo "access" to property which neither Hogan or Gizmodo had a legal right to?

They should just shut up and let the lawyers handle it. They're digging themselves in deeper and deeper every time they try and explain this.

Whenever you need an attorney, you are already screwed!
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

I'm so sick of these San Francisco liberal wackos (and liberal wacko felons) who characterize theft as "sharing" and suggest Apple is the new Third Reich when it moves to protect its trade secrets.

When is that next major earthquake due? It couldn't come soon enough...

I'm not really into name calling...but asking, 'when the next earthquake is due?' is inspired!
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Use the taser!!!!! the taser!!!!!

Rotfl. That made my day.
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Originally Posted by k2director View Post

I'm so sick of these San Francisco liberal wackos (and liberal wacko felons) who characterize theft as "sharing" and suggest Apple is the new Third Reich when it moves to protect its trade secrets.

When is that next major earthquake due? It couldn't come soon enough...

FYI I'm a current resident in San Francisco (and a Bay Area native) and I have to disagree with you. Not only do I think these individuals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but I find it sickening that you would suggest a catastrophic event as a desire. Stop generalizing and have some tact.
post #26 of 120
This is getting really nasty. Not sure I like it. But like knowing about the next iPhone, I like knowing the identity of the finder. Let's hope his future isn't wrecked like Grey's was.
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FYI I'm a current resident in San Francisco (and a Bay Area native) and I have to disagree with you. Not only do I think these individuals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but I find it sickening that you would suggest a catastrophic event as a desire. Stop generalizing and have some tact.

Don't be so sensitive! Sheez!
post #28 of 120
This whole series of events merely serves to reinforce my personal credo:

Human beings, no damn good.
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Is Wired's Brian X. Chen in any way related to Gizmodo's Jason Chen?

Why, because Chen is such an uncommon name?

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Hogannnnnn!

Brilliant.
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post #31 of 120
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Initial reports had it that the man who'd taken the iPhone tried repeatedly to call the Apple Care support line to return the phone, but according to the statement in the Wired story, Hogan never personally called Apple, although a friend of his offered to.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc1874
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That's a really horrible effort at spin control. What was the $5000 payment for, again? To allow Gizmodo "access" to property which neither Hogan or Gizmodo had a legal right to?

Excellent point! They, "the finders keepers" are willfully playing stupid! "Sharing"? Do they really think everyone is so stupid to believe that, given that the "finders" asked for $$?!?!? And how much of that $5,000 did they donate to charities that were mentioned in that article, or any other charities? That mentioning of charities smells like a lawyer spin-speak...

GizMEAN IDIOTS knew fully well that NOBODY had the right to review Apple's UNRELEASED Product!!! Only Apple has the right to pick their reviewers, and those select few reviewers do not disassemble the Reviewer Copy hardware or software! That kind of disassembly happens after the product goes on sale officially, where iFixit, and other sites buy the product legally and chop it up!

GizMEAN IDIOTS knew fully well that this phone was surely or "likely" [spin lingo] Apple's, that is EXACTLY why it was worth it for those GizHOLES to pay $5,000 for it!

GizMEAN IDIOTS knew fully well that it was a STOLEN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY that nobody had the right to see, but Apple!

GizMEAN IDIOTS wanted FAME, CLICKS, SITE TRAFFIC!!! So, they decided to play DIRTY and STUPID, so that they could CUT THE LINE, and be ahead of ENTIRE TECH PRESS, the 1st Ones!

GizMEAN IDIOTS calculated their legal risks, using the SPIN LINGO like, "they wanted exclusive review" and then give it back to the "finder keeper", KNOWING FOR SURE that the phone didn't belong to the "finder keeper"!!! They knew who the phone belonged to, and they FAILED to return it to Apple Engineer, or Apple Store, or Apple Headquarters, or the bar, or police!!!!

"the finders keepers" simply were too scared to shop it for too long, and be caught! CizHOLES probably coached them on a plausible alibi, and now I hope the cops will see to it that the whole story blows up in their GREEDY, attention seeking faces!!!

GizMEAN IDIOTS calculated their legal risks INCORRECTLY, and I hope that Apple makes them PAY DEARLY!!!!

Whether it's Jon Stewart TV rant, or EFF, or whomever ganging up on Apple, defending these "journalists", "freedom fighters" -- that's ••• BS •••!!!!

Pogue, Mossberg and other Tech Press folks wouldn't have done what GizMEAN IDIOTS did! That's the difference between CLASSY, legit press, and these Tech Paparazzi!!!

GizMEAN IDIOTS played DIRTY!!!, competing UNFAIRLY against the rest of Tech Press, making a MOCKERY of the Press Shield Laws that are supposed to protect REAL JOURNALISTS who play by Rules of Ethics!!!

GizMEAN IDIOTS war not trying to protect the society against Apple, trying to save lives, because it's products cause cancer! They PLAYED DIRTY to gain FAME, as the way of competing against the REAL Tech Press!!! Now it's up to that REAL Tech Press to throw those GizCLOWNS under the bus!

Bad enough we have all that Reality TV Garbage, paparazzi etc., thus why allow these GizCLOWNS claim a Tech Robin Hood status! They are nothing but LOW LIVES!!!

Whether it's beer, or epileptic attack, or food poisoning, the Apple Engineer didn't mean to lose that phone! GizCLOWNS outed them to give their Fame Grab a greater "legitimacy"!!! But, what if that Apple Engineer committed suicide out of shame, desperation, guilt etc? Would GizCLOWNS' Apology UNDO THAT?

I call on Apple to follow up on this case till the very end to the full extent of the law! No Settlements!!!! This has to be a LESSON to ANYONE who is thinking of a Copy Cat Crime like this!!!

We are yet to find out if GizCLOWNS SOLD to any info they obtained by taking that iPhone apart!!!

The Media should not defend these clowns, as if they are some heroes, putting their lives on the line against some dictatorships!

Apple has invested a lot of $$ into development of their Intellectual Property, which they use to compete with others! Apple Shareholders invest in Apple Stock! It's all connected! Some of those Shareholders might have lost $$!

Was AAPL Stock Manipulation part of GizCLOWNS "calculated risk"?!

GizCLOWNS disregarder all that, because they wanted to beat the rest of Tech Press in the FAME, RATINGS GAME! The didn't care about hurting the Investors, Apple, or the guy who lost the phone! They played DIRTY, and thus they are DIRT, and so it anyone who'll ever try a similar STUNT in the future!!!!

Of course the lawyers for these GizCLOWNS will disagree with this, cause they want their FAME too!!!

Apple must leave no stone unturned to punish those GizCLOWNS!!! And, when they do, the entire Tech Industry should owe Apple a HUGE THANK YOU for it!!! Such STUNTS must not go unpunished!!!

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post #33 of 120
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FYI I'm a current resident in San Francisco (and a Bay Area native) and I have to disagree with you. Not only do I think these individuals should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but I find it sickening that you would suggest a catastrophic event as a desire. Stop generalizing and have some tact.

Congratulations on being the exception to the rule.

But there is an extreme-left character to San Francisco (extending to its tech press) that is characterizing the big rich corporation (Apple) as a bully simply for making an effort to protect its trade secrets. The vast majority of tech press in the Bay Area was deeply disturbed by the seizure of Jason Chen's equipment....even though Chen clearly went out of his way to acquire someone else's property. It doesn't matter what the law says according to this crowd; deep down, the idea of armed police invading the home of a "journalist" was simply revolting, and you could see that in the coverage the search/seizure received. Much of the press (and tech press) chose to immediately see this as a David and Goliath story, ignoring lots of information that says otherwise. Many writers even chose to see a dark conspiracy in it all, suggesting that Apple's connection to that San Mateo police group allowed Apple to pull inappropriate strings to get Chen's search warrant served (as if California authorities wouldn't otherwise want to investigate the potentially inappropriate airing of highly sensitive trade secrets belonging to a major tax payer and employer in the state).

Anyway, I stand by my earlier statement. There is a left-leaning sentiment to the coverage Apple is getting in much of the press over this episode, especially the San Francisco-based press.
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Anyway, I stand by my earlier statement. There is a left-leaning sentiment to the coverage Apple is getting in much of the press over this episode, especially the San Francisco-based press.

You're right on a lot of that, but the problem of wishing a natural disaster on people because of their opinions, however wrong they are, exposes the evil that lurks in your inner being.
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Congratulations on being the exception to the rule.

But there is an extreme-left character to San Francisco (extending to its tech press) that is characterizing the big rich corporation (Apple) as a bully simply for making an effort to protect its trade secrets. The vast majority of tech press in the Bay Area was deeply disturbed by the seizure of Jason Chen's equipment....even though Chen clearly went out of his way to acquire someone else's property. It doesn't matter what the law says according to this crowd; deep down, the idea of armed police invading the home of a "journalist" was simply revolting, and you could see that in the coverage the search/seizure received. Much of the press (and tech press) chose to immediately see this as a David and Goliath story, ignoring lots of information that says otherwise. Many writers even chose to see a dark conspiracy in it all, suggesting that Apple's connection to that San Mateo police group allowed Apple to pull inappropriate strings to get Chen's search warrant served (as if California authorities wouldn't otherwise want to investigate the potentially inappropriate airing of highly sensitive trade secrets belonging to a major tax payer and employer in the state).

Anyway, I stand by my earlier statement. There is a left-leaning sentiment to the coverage Apple is getting in much of the press over this episode, especially the San Francisco-based press.

I am not thrilled to see LEFT, RIGHT, and other LABELS get into this forum... There is an App for that -- TV, talk radio, etc... Why bring it here, where it's supposed to be about Mac..

I do agree with you, but I'd just call it STUPID! A misguided sense of loyalty, Journalists Of The World, Unite, Stick Together!

The Press should be the first ones to BEAT UP on those GIZHOLES, instead of standing by/with them! They are no Freedom Fighter, but CHARLATANS who have not paid their dues, and tried CUT THE LINE!!!

It's too bad that John Stewart, even though it was a funny skit, ended up being very one sided!!! Even though he fights for his RATINGS, he should have put JUSTICE FIRST!!! Those GIZHOLES "journalists" are NO HEROES! The are a LOW LIVES RATINGS WHORES!!! They must PAY!!!

Of course it looks icky when you hear about the search of that "journalist's" home, but when that "journalist" acts like CRIMINAL, who is tech savvy, and can delete evidence in a Billions of $$ worth of Industrial Spying Case, it would have been dumb to set an appointment for a search!!! Let that "journalist" now sit with the police and watch him go through his hard drives, asking Q's! Yes, the lawyers will call it inadmissible evidence, fishing expedition, and similar lingo... The lawyers and Chen will be allowed to make sure that there was no planted evidence... In the end, let GizHOLES pay for the ENTIRE COST of this INVESTIGATION that must be concluded!!!

And I am not even gonna touch the Conspiracy Theories of Apple planting this whole story!!! I simply don't believe that they would!!! And if they did, GizHOLES would have been the LOUDES ones SCREAMING about that, and Apple would prevent the seizure of Chen's computers!!!

As to SF.... I've visited SF, and I LOVED it there!!! Great place + PEOPLE!!! To LABEL the whole town is a silly generalization...

Asking for SF Earthquake -- that's very LOW...., unless you meant it as joke? But, even as a joke, it's not cool to wish people death, with exceptions of Bin Laden and such!!!

Happy Spring + Mac Love to ALL, regardless of politics and or any other stuff that I'd rather not see here!!!! This Forum ROCKS! ! Thanks!

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post #36 of 120
so now it's Wired + Gizmodo ...

it's like turning on the lights in the kitchen and seeing all the roaches running for cover.
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Hogannnnnn!



That brings back many fond childhood memories.
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Congratulations on being the exception to the rule.

But there is an extreme-left character to San Francisco (extending to its tech press) that is characterizing the big rich corporation (Apple) as a bully simply for making an effort to protect its trade secrets. The vast majority of tech press in the Bay Area was deeply disturbed by the seizure of Jason Chen's equipment....even though Chen clearly went out of his way to acquire someone else's property. It doesn't matter what the law says according to this crowd; deep down, the idea of armed police invading the home of a "journalist" was simply revolting, and you could see that in the coverage the search/seizure received. Much of the press (and tech press) chose to immediately see this as a David and Goliath story, ignoring lots of information that says otherwise. Many writers even chose to see a dark conspiracy in it all, suggesting that Apple's connection to that San Mateo police group allowed Apple to pull inappropriate strings to get Chen's search warrant served (as if California authorities wouldn't otherwise want to investigate the potentially inappropriate airing of highly sensitive trade secrets belonging to a major tax payer and employer in the state).

Anyway, I stand by my earlier statement. There is a left-leaning sentiment to the coverage Apple is getting in much of the press over this episode, especially the San Francisco-based press.

Holy crap.

I love me some exotic erotic ball ladies when I lived in San Francisco. It's a great city and a great area to live. Too bad it's so damn expensive.
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You're right on a lot of that, but the problem of wishing a natural disaster on people because of their opinions, however wrong they are, exposes the evil that lurks in your inner being.

Dude, I wasn't serious about the earthquake. It's called hyperbole...
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Too bad it's so damn expensive.

Of course it is, when 1 in 3 city employees make more than $100,000...thanks to, again, the liberal wackoism of the city. When a locksmith working for the public school system is making over six figures, with a full pension and rich medical benefits to boot, you know something's wrong.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNC51CLUBN.DTL

And that's in 2009, when the economy had collapsed and tons of private sector workers were struggling with pay freezes, cutbacks, layoffs and rampant unemployment. But combine runaway unions with a city government that's never met a tax it didn't love, and that's what you get. ;-) Liberal wackoism at its finest.
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