Gulf Coast oil spill could eclipse Exxon Valdez - Page 10

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I think you mean BP, not British Petroleum, that's the old name.

I think BushPalin is better though. You know, what with Cheney and drilling babies and telling us just how safe and clean drilling is and the more we do, including in the Arctic, the better and cleaner a world we'll leave for our children and their children and if they have kids their children too. I'm not sure about after that though, things might start to get less clean then, but we'll just have to wait and see won't we?

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Ok, so lame it is...

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Yes Noahj first we make the planet lame then we kill it off completely with global warming. But go on, cheer on Bush and Palin and any other retards of the right.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Bush/Palin have nothing to do with the current response to this oil spill. How many times does this have to be said? And I have not cheered anyone that I can recall, please quote the part where I did so we can all be informed.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

The shit hits the fan, the shit that the Left has been warning about and all you guys can do is attack Obama. It really is a messed up world (pun intended).

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I had a feeling you'd deny any involvement with *B*ush*P*alin policy on drilling

The shit hits the fan, the shit that the Left has been warning about and all you guys can do is attack Obama. It really is a messed up world (pun intended).

Originally Posted by Camp David

Obama earned the criticism... he has done nothing about this oil issue for 50+ days and the people in the Gulf know it. Now, as his polls show his lack of leadership on the issue, he does a fireside chat... go figure! And I just heard breaking news he's appointing some Czar on Oil spill that - funny enough - has no petroleum expertise! Par for the Obama course....

Why Wait? Impeach Obama Now!

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

If Obama has turned this spill into a disaster then do you think BP should not be held accountable for a lot of the financial losses because they're really Obama's fault?

Originally Posted by NoahJ

This disaster is not Obama's fault, how the administration has responded to it is.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

If Obama has turned this spill into a disaster then do you think BP should not be held accountable for a lot of the financial losses because they're really Obama's fault?

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

If Obama has turned this spill into a disaster...

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

... you think BP should not be held accountable for a lot of the financial losses because they're really Obama's fault?

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Well if Obama hasn't responded properly to it and that has made the problem so much worse, as I think you and Camp would argue, then surely you also believe that where the government failed, BP shouldn't be expected to be held fully accountable?

Originally Posted by NoahJ

This disaster is not Obama's fault, how the administration has responded to it is.

Originally Posted by jimmac

If you were president what exactly would you have done differently?

Originally Posted by SDW2001

I'll tell you what I would have done:

First, once the magnitude of the spill was realized (say, within 5 days), give a national address. Explain that while there will be time to place blame later, we will now focus on cleanup and preventing environmental disaster. Explain that first priority is protecting shorelines. Direct all federal regulators/agencies to approve or disapprove state and local cleanup plans within 24 hours of submission. Meanwhile, get your hands on every last piece of equipment possible---from every nation that offers it. Waive the Jones Act, which requires vessels in American waters be crewed by Americans. I would have met with BP executives within a week of the spill, not 8 weeks. I would tell the EPA that I'm running the show, and that I don't want to hear about anyone rejecting offers of foreign aid without my knowledge.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

Here's what I would avoid: Saying "we'll keep our boot on the throat of BP." I would not say that "I'll make BP pay." I would not been seen eating seafood and drinking rum drinks on the Gulf Coast. I would not play four hours of Golf this week. In fact, I would give up Golf at least until this is contained. I would not be pushing a new national energy tax and cap and trade legislation. I would not give what amounted to a campaign speech at a military base in Pensecola, where I use military members as a backdrop and talk about what an awesome military we have---only to have the thrust of the speech be about the oil spill.

How's that for a start?

Originally Posted by SDW2001

I'll tell you what I would have done:

First, once the magnitude of the spill was realized (say, within 5 days), give a national address. Explain that while there will be time to place blame later, we will now focus on cleanup and preventing environmental disaster. Explain that first priority is protecting shorelines. Direct all federal regulators/agencies to approve or disapprove state and local cleanup plans within 24 hours of submission. Meanwhile, get your hands on every last piece of equipment possible---from every nation that offers it. Waive the Jones Act, which requires vessels in American waters be crewed by Americans. I would have met with BP executives within a week of the spill, not 8 weeks. I would tell the EPA that I'm running the show, and that I don't want to hear about anyone rejecting offers of foreign aid without my knowledge.

Here's what I would avoid: Saying "we'll keep our boot on the throat of BP." I would not say that "I'll make BP pay." I would not been seen eating seafood and drinking rum drinks on the Gulf Coast. I would not play four hours of golf this week. In fact, I would give up golf at least until this is contained. I would not be pushing a new national energy tax and cap and trade legislation. I would not give what amounted to a campaign speech at a military base in Pensecola, where I use military members as a backdrop and talk about what an awesome military we have---only to have the thrust of the speech be about the oil spill.

How's that for a start?

Originally Posted by MJ1970

Yeah, well it's pretty well established at this point that Obama's kind of a dunce anyway and looks to be increasingly politically tone-deaf...

Originally Posted by SDW2001

I'll tell you what I would have done:

First, once the magnitude of the spill was realized (say, within 5 days), give a national address. Explain that while there will be time to place blame later, we will now focus on cleanup and preventing environmental disaster. Explain that first priority is protecting shorelines. Direct all federal regulators/agencies to approve or disapprove state and local cleanup plans within 24 hours of submission. Meanwhile, get your hands on every last piece of equipment possible---from every nation that offers it. Waive the Jones Act, which requires vessels in American waters be crewed by Americans. I would have met with BP executives within a week of the spill, not 8 weeks. I would tell the EPA that I'm running the show, and that I don't want to hear about anyone rejecting offers of foreign aid without my knowledge.

Here's what I would avoid: Saying "we'll keep our boot on the throat of BP." I would not say that "I'll make BP pay." I would not been seen eating seafood and drinking rum drinks on the Gulf Coast. I would not play four hours of golf this week. In fact, I would give up golf at least until this is contained. I would not be pushing a new national energy tax and cap and trade legislation. I would not give what amounted to a campaign speech at a military base in Pensecola, where I use military members as a backdrop and talk about what an awesome military we have---only to have the thrust of the speech be about the oil spill.

How's that for a start?

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Yeah it's much better to stress out for month especially when you only have 2 wars, unemployment, banking crises from your predecessor and now a major industrial accident. You should not clear your mind ever in this kind of situation. That would be wrong and would cause you to make better decisions.

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Yeah it's much better to stress out for month especially when you only have 2 wars, unemployment, banking crises from your predecessor and now a major industrial accident. You should not clear your mind ever in this kind of situation. That would be wrong and would cause you to make better decisions.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Can anyone imagine Bush having even tried to get $20 billion? Yes, I thought so, but only FOR BP.

"Senior administration officials tell The Associated Press that BP has agreed to finance a $20 billion fund to pay the claims of people whose jobs and way of life have been damaged by the devastating Gulf Coast oil spill.
What's more, Obama said this new damages fund, used to pay claims to workers and business owners, won't be run by BP. He said an independent third party will be in charge to ensure people are paid in a fair and timely way."
~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_613856.html

Originally Posted by SDW2001

See, this is the kind of thing that makes me think you're just trolling. Bush was postively savaged for being a "vacation president." We heard about every time he went to his ranch, even though he was working while there. We saw him on the golf course during the beginning of the War on Terror, where the media portrayed him as uncaring and uninvolved. Yet, Bush gave up golf during the Iraq war because he didn't think it was appropriate. Hmm. We don't hear about that.

And Obama? He's already played more golf in 18 months that Bush did in 8 years. No one is denying the man leisure time...that is important. But being seen playing a four hour round of golf during a national emergency? Not a good idea.

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Bush spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation. A new record for any president. Bravo! the two things he did really good was vacationing and misunderestimating.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

Since we've been told by Obamapologists that the president is never really "on vacation" (what with him being easily in communication with anyone, anywhere and constantly surrounded by the press and aides), does this also apply to presidents who are not Obama?

Originally Posted by MJ1970

Do we get to spin this as "Obama made them do it" vs. "BP had planned to do it but Obama rushed to get out in front of the parade and take credit for making them do it?"

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

BP will was going to issue their shareholders more than $10 billion and is now canceling it. That's Obama greatness however you try to spin it!

Originally Posted by MJ1970

I'll remember to bow next time.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I'm sure he'd rather you just voted for him.

Originally Posted by SDW2001

I'll tell you what I would have done:

First, once the magnitude of the spill was realized (say, within 5 days), give a national address. Explain that while there will be time to place blame later, we will now focus on cleanup and preventing environmental disaster. Explain that first priority is protecting shorelines. Direct all federal regulators/agencies to approve or disapprove state and local cleanup plans within 24 hours of submission. Meanwhile, get your hands on every last piece of equipment possible---from every nation that offers it. Waive the Jones Act, which requires vessels in American waters be crewed by Americans. I would have met with BP executives within a week of the spill, not 8 weeks. I would tell the EPA that I'm running the show, and that I don't want to hear about anyone rejecting offers of foreign aid without my knowledge.

Here's what I would avoid: Saying "we'll keep our boot on the throat of BP." I would not say that "I'll make BP pay." I would not been seen eating seafood and drinking rum drinks on the Gulf Coast. I would not play four hours of golf this week. In fact, I would give up golf at least until this is contained. I would not be pushing a new national energy tax and cap and trade legislation. I would not give what amounted to a campaign speech at a military base in Pensecola, where I use military members as a backdrop and talk about what an awesome military we have---only to have the thrust of the speech be about the oil spill.

How's that for a start?

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Bush spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation. A new record for any president. Bravo! the two things he did really good was vacationing and misunderestimating.

Originally Posted by jimmac

Well to be quite frank I was asking Noah but thatks for your input SDW.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

You keep forgetting that these are public forums, not just a collection of private one-on-one chats.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

I'll remember that. But he'll have to do something worth voting for first.

Originally Posted by jimmac

Now of course we'll never know since SDW thought he'd jump the gun and reply for him.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

Another error in logic. First, it looks like SDW replied for himself (not for NoahJ). Second, maybe NoahJ will also reply. \ Then you'll have both. It's like an extra Christmas gift!

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmac
If you were president what exactly would you have done differently?


SDW :
I'll tell you what I would have done:

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

What's not to love about the $20 BILLION?

Originally Posted by MJ1970

The $20 billion is from BP not Obama!