This is a good textbook example of Obama's ego on display; he really didn't care about what Americans thought of him about this oil spill but how foreigners view him concerns him greatly. Thus, he awaited asking for foreign help for two months plus... recall his European "The One" Tour after his inauguration - asking for their help doesn't square with his deity image abroad. Expect Obama & Co. to advance and project the "prior administration petroleum links" meme heavily in the weeks to come...
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I'm going on the assumption that a U.S. District Court Judge of 27 years, a person who has been practicing law for 53 years, is correct in their legal judgement and that those who claim that his decision lacks merit have the burden of proof on their side. And, further, that people who want to hang their hat on the "obvious conflict of interest" are taking a short cut through the burden of proof, logic and legal rationale because its just easier to make innuendo and implications of impropriety. Now if the those who disagree with the decision do find that there are legal problems with the decision, then I will look at that and give it its due consideration.
That's very convenient when you support the decision. I just hope you give the same consideration when a court rules in a way with which you disagree.
“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
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Convenient or not how 'bout, if I disagree with such a legal decision (and there have been some already), I'll do my best to focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of the legal decision and logic as opposed to simply implying that the decision is bad because of who made it and their "obvious conflict of interest?" How's that? Fair?
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
-Sagan
See, here we go again.
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
Its frustrating for the scientists, who plan to spray large sections of the soiled marsh with this microbial stew consisting of nutrients and three naturally occurring bacteria that eat oil to help rid the fragile ecosystem of toxic oil.
This approach known as bioremediation is effective, especially if it is done soon after the oiling, they say. And it does less damage than some of the traditional methods used in marsh cleanup, such as burning and skimming.
But getting approval from the bureaucracy assembled to respond to the BP oil spill is slower than trudging through marsh mud in waders.
The bureaucracy is killing us, said Ralph Portier, an environmental biologist at Louisiana State University who started offering his expertise in marsh bioremediation shortly after the spill, and well before oil invaded the marshes on May 22.
Were waiting for people in Washington to agree with people in Robert, La., that its OK to talk to a guy in Houma (La.) to tell people in Baton Rouge thats its OK to do something down on Dauphin Island or wherever. Pick your spot, he said.
In other words, after BP and federal officials at the joint command center in Robert agree on a plan of attack which may include bioremediation or other methods they have to seek approval from higher-ups in Washington before contacting the spill operations center in Houma and consulting with the local parish government for its buy-in. Only then can they inform the state that its OK to go ahead with cleaning up a given area.
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Sounds like par for the governmental course...
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No, really though. Why even leave yourself open to the questions? If the case were so clear, any reasonable judge would rule the same way. Why did this judge have to be the one to make the ruling? Why not recuse himself? What's the downside?
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“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”
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No, really though. Why not just attack the legal reasoning of the decision?
I have no idea why he did not recuse himself. Since this issue is being appealed perhaps we'll find out whether a higher court finds a problem with the decision. Until then it seems that all anyone opposed to the decision can muster is simply innuendo as you are doing here.
Another way to look at it is that he looked at the case and found the decision to be so obvious that it would stand on its own merits to anyone who chose to look past his "obvious conflict of interest", so he just made the call. I really don't know. My quarrel is with the superficiality with which the critics have approached this.
Let put it this way: Maybe the decision is a bad legal decision. That is certainly possible. But the punditry does not appear to be directly questioning and investigating that, instead it is content with simply talking around the edges and trying to leave the implication that it must be bad because, well he has an "obvious conflict of interest" and he's "in the back pocket of 'Big Oil'."
Perhaps a dose of facts might be helpful here:
Judge sold Exxon stock just before drilling ruling:
A statement released by U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman's chambers in New Orleans says the judge instructed his broker to sell his stock in Exxon and a subsidiary as soon as the market opened June 22. That was the day after the hearing.
Feldman says his broker told him his stock was sold several hours before he struck down the Obama administration's drilling moratorium. The judge also said he didn't know if he made a profit or loss on the sale.
Exxon isn't a party in the case, but the company had one of the 33 existing exploratory rigs shut down by the moratorium imposed because of the Gulf spill.
Judge In Moratorium Case Sold Exxon Stock This Week:
As of the end of 2009, Judge Feldman does not appear to have owned stock in any other company using rigs affected by the moratorium, according to a review of his holdings and a list of such companies provided by staff of Sen. Robert Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey who sits on the Senate's energy and natural resources committee.
Moratorium judge owned shares in 17 oil and gas industry firms last year:
The financial disclosure forms require that judges provide only a range of values, rather than the actual amounts of their interests.
Feldman also bought shares in Exxon Mobil last year, according to the report, also with a value below $15,000. Dow Jones News Service reported that Feldman sold his Exxon holdings on June 22, just before hearing the case. Exxon Mobil has interests in the Gulf that were affected by the moratorium, Dow Jones reported.
The judge last year bought or retained interest of that same value range in Valero Energy Corp., Crosstex Energy, Petrohawk Energy Corp., Enterprise Product Partners, Energy Transfer Equity, Basic Energy Services, EV Energy Partners, Macquarie Infrastructure, El Paso Corp., Provident Energy Trust, Peabody Energy Corp. and Ocean Energy Notes, the report said.
Feldman reported that he sold shares in August in Atlas Energy Resources and BPZ Resource Inc., posting gains of less than $1,000 on each.
So we're saying here that a guy who makes over $160,000 a year as a judge is going to deliberately make decision that, at best, affects a few thousand dollars of his investment portfolio?

But how about what the judge said about the moratorium, since that's what's really important here:
http://www.glgroup.com/News/Drilling...ase-49245.html
The court concluded that the government has failed to cogently reflect the decision to issue a blanket, generic, indeed punitive, moratorium. The court also expressed concerns with the Department of Interiors statement that the moratorium had been subject to review by leading scientists and engineers who consulted on the preparation of the report when those same experts had publicly stated that they had never discussed a six-month moratorium with the Department of Interior nor would have recommended such a reaction had they been so informed. The government characterized the issue as a mistake on their part and stated that MMS or the Department of Interior did not have to submit the idea of a moratorium to the experts for a comment.
The court then concluded that the plaintiffs had demonstrated irreparable harm to themselves and the public arising out of the moratorium. It accepted the fact that the effect of a moratorium would ripple throughout the economy of this region and found that the government was trivializing the effects of the moratorium. In granting the injunction, the court held that an invalid agency decision to suspend drilling of wells in depths of over 500 feet simply cannot justify the immeasurable effect on the plaintiffs, the local economy, the Gulf region, and the critical present-day aspect of the availability of domestic energy in this region.
The government has appealed Judge Feldman's order to the United States Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans. It asked Judge Feldman to stay his injunction pending appeal, but that request was rejected by Judge Feldman. The Fifth Circuit will consider whether to stay the injunction at a hearing on July 8. The government's brief on its appeal of the injunction is due by August 9.
P.S. It's interesting. I don't recall a similar level of skepticism when Barack Obama, as President of the United States, used all of his available power to help bail out the UAW who was a major financial contributor to and political supporter of his campaign for the presidency, in fact a major force in actually getting him elected.
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
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"House members who had planned to travel to Louisiana next week for a tour and meetings on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill being organized by Rep. Steve Scalise wont be able to tap their member accounts to cover the costs, the Republican congressman said he was told Tuesday."
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...ustrate_c.html
Democrats dont want the media or our elected officials to see whats happening in the Gulf...
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...yes, and it benefited the citizens that work for Big Oil as well. Perhaps he's in their back pocket? Come to think of it, those people have to eat...which means he might also be in the back pocket of Big Lunch Trucks and/or Big Grocery.
So, because we don't know what happened, we should suspend ALL drilling--in shallow and deep waters? Do we ground all airplanes for 6 months because we had a crash?
Also you keep using " Your " when clearly I've shown that I'm not the only one saying this.
YOU are the one posting here, making the argument that the Obama admin is correct to shut down ALL drilling. YOU are the one who said that the judge is "in the pocket" of Big Oil. YOU. The fact that some people agree with you is completely irrelevant. If they use that characterization, they are also without evidence for their assertions.
A few thousand wrongs doesn't make a right. But it does sometimes make a jimmac.

...yes, and it benefited the citizens that work for Big Oil as well. Perhaps he's in their back pocket? Come to think of it, those people have to eat...which means he might also be in the back pocket of Big Lunch Trucks and/or Big Grocery.
So, because we don't know what happened, we should suspend ALL drilling--in shallow and deep waters? Do we ground all airplanes for 6 months because we had a crash?
YOU are the one posting here, making the argument that the Obama admin is correct to shut down ALL drilling. YOU are the one who said that the judge is "in the pocket" of Big Oil. YOU. The fact that some people agree with you is completely irrelevant. If they use that characterization, they are also without evidence for their assertions.
A few thousand wrongs doesn't make a right. But it does sometimes make a jimmac.
You, you, you!
Honestly you're a master at portraying something and making it seem like something else. It's not just me! It's several people that think this SDW Many of them here!Get real SDW!

Always hiding behind the crowd. Just stand up like a man and say "This is what I think." Fuck what everyone else thinks.
The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/
TAR & FEATHERS!!!
I'll remind you of that the next time anyone of you talking to me uses " We " like it was a board of inquiry or something.


Day by Day appropriately describes the tar & feathers treatment for Obama =>

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/
TAR & FEATHERS!!!
Ok.
Her secret : Glen Palin

Yes we want these scary Bozo's running the country :






And lastly what every good wing nut knows :


I don't understand Rush's obsession with the left.

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It is called a paycheck. Easy right?

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"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err." - Mahatma Gandhi
It's impossible for them to believe that he could actually be doing it because so many advertisers are chomping at the bit to be on his show. Love him or hate him, he's the most popular man in radio.
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)
Well at least you admit what he's all about this monument to the conservative movement.
Now that we've established what he's all about he'll be easy pickings in the future.
Speaking of popularity so are the " The Star " and The Enquirer ".

Wait just one second!
Aren't you the who is always "Oh yeah well a bunch of people all agree with me" and "well most of the country feels this way too" and "well that's how the majority of people think" as a means of trying to pretend to win arguments around here?
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
The majority don't agree with Limbaugh or the Enquirer please!

Popularity and agreement are two different things.
I'll remember this the next time I hear about how popular Barack Obama is (and was).
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
Be sure and remind trumpy that his popularity polls are meaningless also.

No one ever said fixing these problems would be easy. Some downturn in his popularity was to be expected.
Also just because people have lost some faith in Obama doesn't mean they're going to run right back to the one's who were in power when this all started.
One doesn't automatically imply the other.
I'll let you.
And it's even harder when you do stupid stuff.
I couldn't give a shit about Obama's popularity except when it enables him to do stupid stuff.
Thanks Einstein. But as you have pointed out frequently, the current political brands don't seem to allow for a 3rd (i.e., a viable third party) so, ultimately, when people figure out the Obama has fucked things up worse than Bush, well they might change their tune.
Face it, many of the people who supported Obama either a) supported the grand of idea of a historical (i.e., black) president, b) the dream (delusion) of Hope and Change, or c) simply a change away from one thing (Bush's policies) but not necessarily toward another thing (Obama's policies). Once people started to get wind of what Obama actually had planned, then the support started to drop.
The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

I'll let you.
And it's even harder when you do stupid stuff.
I couldn't give a shit about Obama's popularity except when it enables him to do stupid stuff.
Thanks Einstein. But as you have pointed out frequently, the current political brands don't seem to allow for a 3rd (i.e., a viable third party) so, ultimately, when people figure out the Obama has fucked things up worse than Bush, well they might change their tune.
Face it, many of the people who supported Obama either a) supported the grand of idea of a historical (i.e., black) president, b) the dream (delusion) of Hope and Change, or c) simply a change away from one thing (Bush's policies) but not necessarily toward another thing (Obama's policies). Once people started to get wind of what Obama actually had planned, then the support started to drop.
All of that still doesn't mean they'll vote Republican next time or even that they won't vote Democratic as it may seem as the lesser of evils. Personally I was hoping for Hillary during the last election as I think she would have jumped on the economy the same way her husband did back in the 90's. But I still think Obama is better than the alternative.
Have a rather foggy recollection of history huh?
Maybe someday you'll get over it.
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
No. It's just that unlike you I get my history from this reality. Not some rightwing wet dream.
Well maybe the Republicans will someday have a viable candidate.

Come 2012, the Republicans could run a life-size inflatable doll of Krusty the Clown and win the election easily. Obama and the Establishment are laying the groundwork as we speak.
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)
Or not. Lot's of things could happen between now and then. You're counting on this situation staying the same which it won't. That's one thing you can count on.
Not if you think Clinton, on his own, without the prompting of the American public in the form of the 1996 ass-kicking, helped the economy.
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The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.
That's true. I predict things will get worse...unless...Obamanomics does a major about-face.
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I think that's what known as a Freudian slip. Too slippery perhaps.

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