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I think that's what known as a Freudian slip. Too slippery perhaps.

I'll let your mind run wild with the possibilities.

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I'll let your mind run wild with the possibilities.

LOL, no thanks, she's yours.
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LOL, no thanks, she's yours.

Just admit you're obsessed with Sarah Palin.

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Red tape keeps Gulf marsh cleanup on hold:

There's more to this story than you're quoting, but it may well be a bad move not to take this action.

I found an interesting quote in the comments section-

"Stop the Statists,

You missed the boat with your comments.

1) No other government except Mexico has offered skimmers on any conditions except rental or lease plus shipping. The same goes for booms. For example, both Russia and Israel, both among the largest recipients of U.S. foreign aid, offered to sell BP booms at four times the going price. Needless to say, BP rejected the offer. No offers have been rejected by Obama, since none have been made.

2) The sand berms had to be approved by BP, not the government. BP approved 12% of them and agreed to repay the Army Corps of Engineers to build them. The ACoE, however, was not very encouraging about the berms, saying that they may not help at all and will most likely be washed away as fast as them can be built. In fact, Alice will eliminate those built so far.

3) You are falling for the BP line. BP wants you to blame the government. It is BP's hope that the government will get fed up and federalize the capping and cleanup. And if that happens, the taxpayer gets to pay it all. What you are espousing is pure and simple socialism by insisting that Obama take over the capping and cleanup and hand the bill to the taxpayers.

4) You can criticize the government, your government, all you want, but the government you are criticizing had already gotten BP to commit to thousands of times more than Exxon did after the Valdez spill. Exxon paid a paltry $65 million, went to right-wing activist courts in Texas and Louisiana and got fines reduced by over 80%, got all indirect damages (such as loss of fishing income) disallowed, got whole ethnic groups (such as the Inuit) disqualified on the grounds that they were wards of the U.S. government, and have tied the rest (around $530 million) up in courts. No serious person believes that Exxon will pay another cent beyond the $65 million they have already paid. And Prince William Sound has not been cleaned up. It is still full of oil and tar, still stinks, still is barren of wildlife, and is so poisoned that there are not even any mosquitoes.

So blame the government. Love BP. Go to the beaches and roll in the oil. Or maybe get your facts straight (not straight from Limbaugh and Beck.)"
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I don't doubt that the government has failed on many different fronts but thank God the Dems were in office not the Repubs.
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Just admit you're obsessed with Sarah Palin.

What is it with you and your infatuation with obsession?
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What is it with you and your infatuation with obsession?

My infatuation is with truth, justice, and the American way.

Now why don't we have a friggin' Superman smilie?

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My infatuation is with truth, justice, and the American way.

Now why don't we have a friggin' Superman smilie?

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I think that's what known as a Freudian slip. Too slippery perhaps.

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My infatuation is with truth, justice, and the American way.

Now why don't we have a friggin' Superman smilie?

I always feel like I'm talking to one of the founding fathers when I'm talking to you, well at least a tiny little bit. There's a nice little piece about The Declaration of Interdependence here- http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/0...rdependence-2/

So after reading that article, I ask you, are you really an American or just a pretend one?
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I always feel like I'm talking to one of the founding fathers when I'm talking to you, well at least a tiny little bit. There's a nice little piece about The Declaration of Interdependence here- http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/0...rdependence-2/

So after reading that article, I ask you, are you really an American or just a pretend one?

I'm not sure what the point of your question is, but I'll bite. I'm an American, of course.

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I always feel like I'm talking to one of the founding fathers when I'm talking to you, well at least a tiny little bit. There's a nice little piece about The Declaration of Interdependence here- http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/0...rdependence-2/

So after reading that article, I ask you, are you really an American or just a pretend one?

Speaking for myself, if honoring the word and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence is criteria for calling oneself an American (and I think it probably is), then I would call myself an American. Bu here's the catch. This part of your link:

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By saying that it is a self-evident truth that all humans are created equal and that our inalienable rights include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, our Founding Fathers were telling us that we are all in this together, that we are interdependent, that we have a moral duty to protect these inalienable rights for all humans.

I would argue that many, many people (some who call themselves liberals, Democrats or progressives along with those who call themselves conservatives or Republicans) in this country are only concerned with protecting these rights (as well as the other, unspoken but implied right to property) sometimes. When it is convenient. When it doesn't interfere with other things. But not when some particular exercise of liberty doesn't meet with their own values and standards and morals. And certainly not when someone's property is "needed" for something else or when they have "too much."

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Speaking for myself, if honoring the word and the spirit of the Declaration of Independence is criteria for calling oneself an American (and I think it probably is), then I would call myself an American. Bu here's the catch. This part of your link:



I would argue that many, many people (some who call themselves liberals, Democrats or progressives along with those who call themselves conservatives or Republicans) in this country are only concerned with protecting these rights (as well as the other, unspoken but implied right to property) sometimes. When it is convenient. When it doesn't interfere with other things. But not when some particular exercise of liberty doesn't meet with their own values and standards and morals. And certainly not when someone's property is "needed" for something else or when they have "too much."

I totally agree. I lived in the US for ten years and whilst the same exists here in the UK, American's are more likely in my opinion to feel more comfortable when thinking about their own desires and wants, instead of how their actions will effect the larger group. That's not to say that that mentality is always a bad thing, but it can be.
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Tomorrow marks 80 DAYS folks.... 80 days of Obama with his thumb up his butt while the greatest environmental disaster continues unabated in the Gulf... all we hear from the White House is deflection from Obama...let's sue Arizona while oil free flows into our Gulf!!! Don't mention the oil spill...shhh...

80 DAYS

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I get it. Halt everything else until this is fixed. Even if the vast majority of people in government aren't engineers and physically can't come up with solutions to the oil spill. Even if it means putting off other urgent issues that can be handled by people who have nothing to contribute to solutions to the oil disaster. Yup, makes perfect sense.

Ending the spill and suing Arizona are not mutually exclusive. You just don't like the latter or Obama so you'll twist the situation to suit your perspective.


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I get it. Halt everything else until this is fixed...

THAT WAS the liberal talking point during Katrina! Halt everything until New Orleans issue was addressed! Now we have an even larger problem in Louisiana and the Gulf, 80 days into it, and all the president wants to do is go golfing, sue Arizona, and deflect attention from a problem he has yet to address!
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I get it. Halt everything else until this is fixed. Even if the vast majority of people in government aren't engineers and physically can't come up with solutions to the oil spill. Even if it means putting off other urgent issues that can be handled by people who have nothing to contribute to solutions to the oil disaster. Yup, makes perfect sense.

You've gotta admit BR, he has a point.

This disaster seems to imply that the environment is actually better off under GOP administrations, if only because green watchdogs won't stay silent with a Republican in the White House.
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You've gotta admit BR, he has a point.

This disaster seems to imply that the environment is actually better off under GOP administrations, if only because green watchdogs won't stay silent with a Republican in the White House.

Minute differences:
Source of this disaster is a non US corporation allowed to bypass regulations by mostly Republicans.
Source of Katrina: God (if you are an idiot), weather (if you are a normal person).

You are correct that environmentalist scream louder during Republinsane admins.

Similarities: Each time red states have been affected who don't like government intervention but now scream for it.
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Minute differences:
Source of this disaster is a non US corporation allowed to bypass regulations by mostly Republicans.
Source of Katrina: God (if you are an idiot), weather (if you are a normal person).

You are correct that environmentalist scream louder during Republinsane admins.

Similarities: Each time red states have been affected who don't like government intervention but now scream for it.

Asinine differences...
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Minute differences:
Source of this disaster...
Source of Katrina...

So? In either case, it's an unforeseen disaster that requires a government response.

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Similarities: Each time red states have been affected who don't like government intervention but now scream for it.

Please provide proof at all that 'Red States', Republicans or conservatives in general have advocated that government should not provide disaster response when needed.
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Minute differences:
Source of this disaster is a non US corporation allowed to bypass regulations by mostly Republicans.

Wormhole; you've bypassed a bit of reality here; this BP rig that exploded - the Deepwater Horizon - was the recipient of safety awards by the Obama Administration and the Obama campaign had no problems accepting cash from BP during the 2008 presidential election. Moreover, the Obama administration saw fit to deem BP a finalist for a pollution prevention award - no doubt as payback for its campaign contributions - that is until BP's Deepwater Horizon suffered a small accident! Stop trying to project blame here as is Obama apologist precedent. The difference(s) between this BP oil disaster in the Gulf and the Katrina hurricane are as follows; both affected the Gulf citizens and both were accidents (man-made versus natural disaster).
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Wormhole; you've bypassed a bit of reality here; this BP rig that exploded - the Deepwater Horizon - was the recipient of safety awards by the Obama Administration and the Obama campaign had no problems accepting cash from BP during the 2008 presidential election. Moreover, the Obama administration saw fit to deem BP a finalist for a pollution prevention award - no doubt as payback for its campaign contributions - that is until BP's Deepwater Horizon suffered a small accident! Stop trying to project blame here as is Obama apologist precedent. The difference(s) between this BP oil disaster in the Gulf and the Katrina hurricane are as follows; both affected the Gulf citizens and both were accidents (man-made versus natural disaster).

Ok Campy if you want to list things that are on the edge we could talk about dear Dubbya and which oil family were his buddys. Now that's something I'd really not want anyone to talk about but it's fact ( we don't want to talk about it shhhhhh! ). And about your golfing picture there I've got some nice photos of George on vacation ( alot ).

So what the hell are you comparing this to?
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... we could talk about dear Dubbya and which oil family were his buddys...

Why deflect attention to the former president when this president was so cozy with oil?

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash
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ERIKA LOVLEY | 5/5/10 5:05 AM EDT
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years. BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
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Why deflect attention to the former president when this president was so cozy with oil?

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash
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ERIKA LOVLEY | 5/5/10 5:05 AM EDT
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years. BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Because in my book it pales in comparison to Bush being friends with the Bin Laudens and having them over for dinner after 911. Plus when no one could leave the country they got the ok to fly out? Give me an extra big break! By the way did you know what happened when Bush was head of an oil company? Something similar yeat microcosmic to what the entire country is experiencing now. Something I did bring up years ago ( IE. Should this guy be in charge because he can't even run a business let alone a country ). And I suppose you want to pretend that the next Republican would be any different.
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Because in my book it pales in comparison to Bush...

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So your reply to this very real situation is a cartoon implying somethiong that has no basis in reality?

How typical of you. As you've seen I've got a lot of cartoons also.













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So your reply to this very real situation is a cartoon implying somethiong that has no basis in reality?

No basis in reality? Well he is bankrupting the country with his fiscal policies and he is always blaming Bush, so...

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No basis in reality? Well he is bankrupting the country with his fiscal policies and he is always blaming Bush, so...


Well if Campy wants to use cartoons you can see where this all came from.
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you've gotta admit br, he has a point.

This disaster seems to imply that the environment is actually better off under gop administrations, if only because green watchdogs won't stay silent with a republican in the white house.

Really?

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81 days... still leaking...

.. time for more Golf for Obama
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81 days... still leaking...

.. time for more Golf for Obama

Maybe he and George can play a few holes.
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The Jones Act lies exposed as BS. Not one offer was refused because of it- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y_KL...layer_embedded
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Well if Campy wants to use cartoons you can see where this all came from.

No, we can't. Perhaps, for the 87th time, what did Bush do to "wreck" the economy? What should he have done to fix it? What Bush policies contributed to the recession?

You can't/won't answer because you don't know. You just know he was President when the downturn started, and well... that's good enough for you.
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No, we can't. Perhaps, for the 87th time, what did Bush do to "wreck" the economy? What should he have done to fix it? What Bush policies contributed to the recession?

You can't/won't answer because you don't know. You just know he was President when the downturn started, and well... that's good enough for you.

Medicare Drug plan, 2 wars, tax cuts for high earners.
None of these programs were paid for.
War costs were excluded from budget to fake better deficit numbers.

Wars caused artificial unsustainable economic growth (admitted by Bush).

Tax cuts for big corps, tax breaks for corporation who export jobs.

++++ 3 years of vacation time.
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Because in my book it pales in comparison to Bush being friends with the Bin Laudens and having them over for dinner after 911.

bin L-a-d-e-n. Now, provide a link for the dinner claim.

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Plus when no one could leave the country they got the ok to fly out? Give me an extra big break!

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

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By the way did you know what happened when Bush was head of an oil company? Something similar yeat microcosmic to what the entire country is experiencing now. Something I did bring up years ago ( IE. Should this guy be in charge because he can't even run a business let alone a country ). And I suppose you want to pretend that the next Republican would be any different.

Uh...Bush has an MBA from Harvard. He has executive experience as a Governor (he was quite popular and was reelected easily). Earlier, he earned a 25 fold return on his investment in the Texas Rangers. Sounds like a pretty decent investment decision to me.

And what about Mr. Obama? Has he ever run a business of any kind? Does he have any executive experience whatsoever?
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[QUOTE=SDW2001;1672146]bin L-a-d-e-n. Now, provide a link for the dinner claim.



http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp



Uh...Bush has an MBA from Harvard. He has executive experience as a Governor (he was quite popular and was reelected easily). Earlier, he earned a 25 fold return on his investment in the Texas Rangers. Sounds like a pretty decent investment decision to me.

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Uh...Bush has an MBA from Harvard. He has executive experience as a Governor (he was quite popular and was reelected easily). Earlier, he earned a 25 fold return on his investment in the Texas Rangers. Sounds like a pretty decent investment decision to me.


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In 1978, Bush ran for the House of Representatives from Texas's 19th congressional district. His opponent, Kent Hance, portrayed him as being out of touch with rural Texans; Bush lost the election by 6,000 votes (6%) of the 103,000 votes cast.[50] He returned to the oil industry and began a series of small, independent oil exploration companies.[51] He created Arbusto Energy,[52] and later changed the name to Bush Exploration. In 1984, his company merged with the larger Spectrum 7, and Bush became chairman.[51] The company was hurt by a decline in oil prices, and as a result, it folded into Harken Energy.[51][53] Bush served on the board of directors for Harken.[51] Questions of possible insider trading involving Harken arose, but the Securities and Exchange Commission's (SEC) investigation concluded that the information Bush had at the time of his stock sale was not sufficient to constitute insider trading.[51][54]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

More later. Oh! a point of interest from the same page :

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Prior to his marriage, Bush had multiple episodes of alcohol abuse.[44] In one instance, on September 4, 1976, he was arrested near his family's summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine for driving under the influence of alcohol. He pleaded guilty, was fined $150 and had his Maine driver's license suspended until 1978.[45] Bush's alleged usage of drugs is less clear; when asked questions about past alleged illicit drug use, Bush has consistently refused to answer. He defended his refusal to answer in a publicized casual conversation with a friend saying that he feared setting a bad example for the younger generation.[46][47][48]

Uh huh.
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And what about Mr. Obama? Has he ever run a business of any kind? Does he have any executive experience whatsoever?

Well he bankrupted the United States in two years! THat must count for something....

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Well he bankrupted the United States in two years! THat must count for something....


So we're officially bankrupt because of Obama? Do you have a link that says that?
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So we're officially bankrupt because of Obama?

Yes

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Do you have a link that says that?

Yes

One example; there are thousands...
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Yes



Yes

One example; there are thousands...

Sorry. That's not the same thing so your previous post ( like many you make ) has no validity.
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Sorry. That's not the same thing so your previous post ( like many you make ) has no validity.

Sorry; if you can't see the danger in a president making a campaign commitment to bankrupt a private American industry there is little hope for you. Go back to HuffingtonPost and applaud Ariana....Obama's socialistic war against this nation's private business/capitalism is well known and referenced widely.
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