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Lala announced this week its website will no longer be operative as of May 31, and users who bought songs through the site will be credited with songs from Apple's iTunes.

Lala users will be able to access and play all of the music in their collection through May 31, 2010. As of Friday, WEb songs, wallets and gift cards are no longer available for purchase on Lala. Users can no longer upload their own songs, and new users are not being accepted.

Users who bought Web songs through the service will receive an iTunes Store credit in the amount of Lala song purchases. Those who have an outstanding wallet balance on May 31 will also be issued an iTunes credit for that amount. Lala said it will also write customers a check if requested by May 31.

Any unredeemed Lala gift cards must be utilized by May 31. The money will be added to the wallet balance, and can then be transferred in the form of a credit at the iTunes store.

Refunds will be calculated on May 31, and will be issued no later than June 14.

Late last year, Apple purchased Lala for $85 million. At the time, it was said that Lala's executives were set to play "significant roles" in Apple's iTunes strategy going forward.



In addition to selling songs and offering free streams of content, Lala allowed users to upload their own, separate music from their hard drive. If the content matched with licensed songs to which Lala owned the rights, the service allowed users to stream their music from the service, even though it was acquired elsewhere.

Just before Apple bought Lala, it introduced iTunes Preview, a browser-based list of content available from iTunes. Weeks later, iTunes Preview was expanded to offer song sampling within the browser, without running the iTunes desktop client.

Some expect that the acquisition of Lala will lead to an iTunes cloud that allows users to stream and access their purchased content from anywhere. Such a service could allow users to listen to their music from a variety of Internet-connected devices, even without a copy of iTunes installed.
post #2 of 34
Wow. A few thoughts on this. First, I signed on with LaLa when I heard Apple bought them and have been loving the service, so it's sad to see it go. But, I will be very happy if Apple replaces it with an even better service (maybe still with web songs?). I'll misss the abilities of Lala when it's gone and hope Apple has something really great in store for us. That said, the iTunes gift card offer was a very nice gesture, and here's toasting to the future!
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post #3 of 34
This should be a taken as a lesson, buy and download your songs immediately in a neutral DRM-free format and make plenty of backups.

Who knows who or what will happen with your digital music, subscriptions, gift cards or accounts, it´s a changing environment.

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

This should be a taken as a lesson, buy and download your songs immediately in a neutral DRM-free format and make plenty of backups.

Who knows who or what will happen with your digital music, subscriptions, gift cards or accounts, it´s a changing environment.

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

So how many people have been prosecuted with help from the metadata linked to Apple AACs? Seriously. If you don't aggressively share your music, what's to worry? Sending a file to a friend is not "aggressively sharing". Linking your entire library to your eDonkey client or indiscriminately creating torrent files can be, depending on your bandwidth and the popularity of the tracks. If you're uploading entire new albums en masse to Rapidshare with public access or posting links in HTML, perhaps you should worry.
post #5 of 34
Ok.

Was there any real point for Apple to keep the service going?
post #6 of 34
Hm... i tunes cloud to listen to YOUR own songs without them being on your device.

1. Either for mobile users or those who don't have iTunes.
2. For mobile users, iProducts offer itunes and wasting data to listen to your own collection on the go is not very productive.
3. There is pandora and last.fm that are very popular and allow you to listen to the "radio" and discover new music.
4. That leaves android devices that don't really have a default music store, but then again are not very likely to use iTunes.

One use can see is ability to download (pay for) music without the need to download iTunes, but that could have been done without Lala. What am I missing?
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post #7 of 34
I'm guessing they are closing the lala.com domain as they prep the launch of the new Apple branded online streaming with the announcement of the new iPhone. Remember Apple said they were keeping the lala people on staff to run the new site.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Ok.

Was there any real point for Apple to keep the service going?

How about the reverse question: If it was making money, was there really any point for Apple to shut it down?
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How about the reverse question: If it was making money, was there really any point for Apple to shut it down?

How about the real answer: They bought the technology and 'staff'.
post #10 of 34
I have nearly 30,000 lossless tracks on my iMac, and would love an easy and legal way to stream them to my iPhone and iPad, even if it's 192Kbps.
post #11 of 34
Apple reports sold over 1 million iPads!
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

This should be a taken as a lesson, buy and download your songs immediately in a neutral DRM-free format and make plenty of backups.

Who knows who or what will happen with your digital music, subscriptions, gift cards or accounts, it´s a changing environment.

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

There are ways to do things, and there are ways not to. Everyone knows this, and everyone knows how to manage their own music...thanks though!
post #13 of 34
I'm predicting that iTunes streaming will be a major announcement at WWDC. Closing down May 31? So soon? WWDC early June? Fits.
post #14 of 34
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

This should be a taken as a lesson, buy and download your songs immediately in a neutral DRM-free format and make plenty of backups.

Who knows who or what will happen with your digital music, subscriptions, gift cards or accounts, it´s a changing environment.

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

What the?? I never knew that. How ridiculous. It makes me want to push every iTunes track through a purging process to remove the smell of RIAA flavoured crapola.
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

how exactly do you think they would pull off that move. in a technological sense. Since the file was never in their system

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I'm guessing they are closing the lala.com domain as they prep the launch of the new Apple branded online streaming with the announcement of the new iPhone. Remember Apple said they were keeping the lala people on staff to run the new site.

I'm thinking the same thing.

And since it will be directly linked to the itunes system, if you buy something it is in your cloud right away. And correctly (I have a slew of false titles in Lala, about half of which were itunes buys). AND perhaps they will give you an option to upgrade. So like you could buy for the web at like 10/20 cents but then you decide you want a copy for offline so you can get it for the difference, not a full purchase. like they did when they went 'plus' and you could get old buys for 30 cents

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post #16 of 34
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People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

How do you know it was done at request of the RIAA?
Your iTunes account info has always been embedded in every iTunes purchase since day one.
It is not in any RIPs or other imports.
post #17 of 34
Wasn't LaLa doing poorly before Apple acquired them?

Oh wait, yes they were.

http://techcrunch.com/2009/12/04/apple-acquires-lala/

A few other interesting things to note. This acquisition comes a little more than a month after Lala was integrated into Google’s OneBox and Facebook’s gift store. Lala may well have been viewing these launches as last-chance efforts to find a path to profitability. Given these reports that Lala’s “prospects for turning a profit in the short term were dim”, it looks like those launches may not have gone as well as Lala hoped.
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I'm predicting that iTunes streaming will be a major announcement at WWDC. Closing down May 31? So soon? WWDC early June? Fits.

Agreed. I didn't expect to see an iTunes overhaul/cloud version until September, which is when the iPods are usually refreshed.

Apple shutting down Lala on May 31, Steve Jobs appearing at All Things Digital on June 1, and WWDC starting on June 7 make me think Jobs will drop some iTunes hints at All Things Digital and make an announcement a week later at WWDC.

I think we're going to see:

1. iTunes Preview morphing into a web-based iTunes that will allow for direct purchase of tracks without launching iTunes.

2. Wireless syncing of purchased tracks to iPhones and iPod touches (possibly limited to WiFi but probably not).

3. Wireless syncing of playlist changes across multiple devices.

4. An announcement that searches for songs on the major search engines will pop up a link to directly purchase the track, which was Lala's revenue driver.

5. Direct purchase on Facebook of tracks that people "Like," which will kick off a huge wave of Facebook-based e-commerce.

6. In September, the TOTL iPod nano getting limited WiFi capability for wireless syncing. I think Apple would love to add track purchasing from the nano, but I don't think they'll be able to get the interface simple enough to satisfy themselves unless they limit purchasing to things you can easily scroll -- top 10 lists, Genius recommendations, captures from a Shazam-like feature, etc.

EDIT:

WSJ says not so fast.

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Sources tell me that in the past few weeks, Apple has started signaling to the labels that it’s interested in a Web-based version of iTunes, its dominant music retail platform. But those conversations are preliminary at best.
post #19 of 34
I created a Lala account when I heard Apple bought them just to check out the service. It seemed like a nice idea to have my music available anywhere I could access the internet. It was only a matter of days before I was craving the app for my iPhone.

Then, I started to see how people were influenced by the music in my collection and started following some folks. Before I knew it, I was discovering new music like crazy and, yes, even purchasing music over Lala.

I really do hope that Apple adds the cloud service to iTunes, but Lala is bigger than that. They have effectively created a robust social network around music. I will miss that aspect.

Pandora incorporating Facebook sharing is not the same. And I don't want to hear about what folks i went to high school are listening to. I want to find new music, often from people I don't know, but appreciate their taste. I'm not sure that's part of Apple's plan which could be a hugely missed opportunity. I'm still experimenting with Last.fm and blipper.com to see if one of those has the same potential.
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I created a Lala account when I hear Apple bought them just to check out the service. It seemed like a nice idea to have my music available anywhere I could access the internet. It was only a matter of days before I was craving the app for my iPhone.

Then, I started to see how people were influenced by the music in my collection and started following some folks. Before I knew it, I was discovering new music like crazy and, yes, even purchasing music over Lala.

I really do hope that Apple adds the cloud service to iTunes, but Lala is bigger than that. They have effectively created a robust social network around music. I will miss that aspect.

Pandora incorporating Facebook sharing is not the same. And I don't want to hear about what folks i went to high school are listening to. I want to find new music, often from people I don't know, but appreciate their taste. I'm not sure that's part of Apple's plan which could be a hugely missed opportunity. I'm still experimenting with Last.fm and blipper.com to see if one of those has the same potential.

Apple knew what they liked about Lala when they bought it, so hopefully they'll have a way for users to follow other users based on music tastes. The Genius feature in iTunes already does an aggregated version of that, which is a good sign.
post #21 of 34
So I expect to hear of a Lala replacement from Apple soon then. iTunes as-is is not it.
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

This should be a taken as a lesson, buy and download your songs immediately in a neutral DRM-free format and make plenty of backups.

Who knows who or what will happen with your digital music, subscriptions, gift cards or accounts, it´s a changing environment.

People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Does anyone know if Apple extends this to pre-existing music or cd rips?

Utter nonsense. I would agree with not wanting DRM-protected music from Apple, but the tagged stuffwhatever. It isn't going anywhere. Just don't share it over the web (not that I've heard of a single case of people getting prosecuted over that anyway).
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post #23 of 34
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I created a Lala account when I heard Apple bought them just to check out the service. It seemed like a nice idea to have my music available anywhere I could access the internet. It was only a matter of days before I was craving the app for my iPhone.

Yep. I started a lala account about a year ago in hopes of an iphone app to access it. lala.com is a very slick service. Well done. I bet Apple vetted their iphone app submission and found the golden egg. No need for a large hard drive on your iphone.
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

I have nearly 30,000 lossless tracks on my iMac, and would love an easy and legal way to stream them to my iPhone and iPad, even if it's 192Kbps.

I can recommend taking a look at a music service called Bitspace. It is a really nice and beautiful way to store and listen to your music and stay in the cloud. It works really good on the iPad with background playback even before iPhone OS 4.0 and there seems to be an iPhone app on the way. Try it out at http://bitspace.at.
post #25 of 34
Nothing to see here folks, move along. Show's over.

Buy 'em up, shut 'em down.

All that's left to do now is to pick over the corpse looking for reusable bits and bytes.
post #26 of 34
Oh so Apple's going to replace the free streaming with paid streaming? Big surprise!
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Oh so Apple's going to replace the free streaming with paid streaming? Big surprise!

Lala isnt free (unless you count being able to stream a song once for free).
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Lala isn’t free (unless you count being able to stream a song once for free).

Lala offers free storage of your iTunes music library. I have mine set up so that when I add a song to my iTunes library, it also pushes a copy up to the cloud (lala.com). If lala already has that track in the cloud, it adds it's copy to my library... What it doesn't it uploads.
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Pandora incorporating Facebook sharing is not the same. And I don't want to hear about what folks i went to high school are listening to. I want to find new music, often from people I don't know, but appreciate their taste. I'm not sure that's part of Apple's plan which could be a hugely missed opportunity. I'm still experimenting with Last.fm and blipper.com to see if one of those has the same potential.

Have you tried Spotify? It is pretty much as you described. Quite an amazing application and Europeans go nuts over it, mainly because of the social aspect of it.
It worries me how much the labels like it, as nothing those bastards like will benefit mankind in the long run, but in the meantime it is worth checking out.

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Have you tried Spotify? It is pretty much as you described. Quite an amazing application and Europeans go nuts over it, mainly because of the social aspect of it.
It worries me how much the labels like it, as nothing those bastards like will benefit mankind in the long run, but in the meantime it is worth checking out.

If Spotify becomes available in the U.S., and I believe it's coming, I'll definitely check it out. Assuming Apple doesn't give us a better option before then.
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People should be reminded that at the RIAA request, Apple has been tagging one´s iTunes purchased music with user identifiable information.

Why is that a problem?

I can't think of anything legal I would want to do with a downloaded track that is impaired by Apple putting a watermark in it that identifies me as the downloader.
post #32 of 34
.

"Hey Opie, you know about that Apple Farm thingy down the road don't ya?"

"Well Gomer, yea, heard something about it. But they not growing apples, believe they raising 'servers' or something"

"Yep, what I heard too. Just not sure what that is, or how they're gonna use them."

"Yea, oh well, maybe just so much Lala yada yada"

"Shazzam"

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post #33 of 34
I don't know if I can trust Apple after the way they treated the current Lala Users. For one thing my $9.00 iTunes credit in no way matches the 100+ songs I lost as a result of the shutdown of Lala. Another problem is that as a Linux user that credit is worthless since iTunes does not run on Linux. (Please don't mention wine I've had too many crashes from that piece of Junk)

Would anyone be interested in purchasing some iTunes Credits
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http://www.psonar.com/ is another worth checking out.

It's also a cloud-based solution so you can upload the music you own so it is accessible everywhere, from any internet-connected device.

It offers unlimited storage and unlimited streaming for free.

You can also search and listen to clips of any other track uploaded to the cloud and buy that music if you like.

Psonar does more though - it also provides web-based iTunes-style management so that you can drag and drop tracks to any device, such as your iPhone, Android device or MP3 player - in fact anything that you can connect to a PC via USB. This means you can have your music on your device when that's best, but also in the cloud - so it's also great for backup:

http://blog.psonar.com/2010/02/26/la...ad-music-safe/

So - it's perfect if you love your old MP3 player, want to keep your music on an inexpensive memory stick or for when you don't have an internet connection and thus offers you the best of both worlds.
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