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Microsoft's share of web browser use has dropped to an historic low below 60% for the first time since Internet Explorer 4 passed the beleaguered Netscape back in 1999.

According to statistics published by Net Applications, Internet Explorer dipped down to a 59.95% share of its observed traffic, falling from around 80% share in less than two and half years.

Of the 20 lost percentage points, nearly nine were earned by Firefox, which now has nearly 25% share. Another nine were taken by WebKit browsers: two and a half were eaten up by Apple's Safari (to reach 4.72% share), while Google's Chrome expanded to take 6.7% (from zero prior to 2009). Opera gained nearly a percentage point in the same period (to reach 2.3%).

Statistics published by StatCounter were even less flattering for Microsoft's Internet Explorer, which was ranked at a 56.57% share, with Firefox closing in with 31.29%, followed by 5.35% for Chrome, 3.63% for Safari and 2.25% for Opera.

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Firefox's Gecko, Opera's Presto, and Safari/Chrome's WebKit engines are all powering the shift away from Internet Explorer and its Trident rendering system, which does not support the latest web standards nor push the envelope in JavaScript rendering speeds as Safari, Chrome, and Firefox have. The next release of Internet Explorer promises to add support for key features of HTML5, and hopes to slow the defection of its user base.

None of the web browser clients are commercial products, so the vendors involved all have alternative motivations for developing them. Microsoft created Internet Explorer to prevent Netscape from offering an open alternative to Windows in developing cross platform apps.

Once Netscape was crushed out of the market, its developers decided to form Mozilla, an open source project intended to continue its development in order to provide an alternative browser not controlled by Microsoft. Mozilla's Firefox rapidly outpaced the development of Internet Explorer, which Microsoft had slowed to a crawl once reaching a monopoly position in browsers around 2000.



In 2002, Apple created a fork of KHTML to deliver WebCore, a fast, clean alternative to Netscape's legacy of Firefox. WebCore served as the foundation for the new Safari browser Apple released in 2003, and was made available as open source. This served both the goal of Apple having its own top tier Mac browser (rather than relying upon Microsoft or an independent open source project to deliver one) as well as the introduction of a high quality, free rendering engine that could help promote the use of open web standards.

In 2005, Apple subsequently announced it would be releasing its entire WebKit browser engine as open source, in addition to the WebCore rendering foundation derived from KHTML. Nokia immediately released a WebKit browser for its S60 smartphone platform. In 2007, Apple released a version of Safari for Windows and a mobile version for iPhone and iPod touch.

In 2008, Google released its Chrome browser using WebKit. Google's Android, Palm's Pre and RIM's upcoming BlackBerry OS 6 all feature WebKit browsers, making Apple's browser strategy wildly effective in promoting open web standards among mobile devices, using open source.
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Wow, congratulations Firefox!

I'm glad competition has come back into the browser market. I'm currently enjoying using Chrome, but think it's neat someone else will probably come up with something better soon.
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The next decade should be very interesting. Considering the iPad has such a head start in the marketplace and since it could conceivably become a full blown computer, one could see Safari/ mobile Safari becoming the dominant browser. It would also in turn get the EU or FTC on Apple to allow other browsers and potentially force open the iPhone OS.

The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the MS monopoly is coming to an end. The future is Apple vs Google vs Facebook.
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The next decade should be very interesting. Considering the iPad has such a head start in the marketplace and since it could conceivably become a full blown computer, one could see Safari/ mobile Safari becoming the dominant browser. It would also in turn get the EU or FTC on Apple to allow other browsers and potentially force open the iPhone OS.

The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the MS monopoly is coming to an end. The future is Apple vs Google vs Facebook.

it's a pity that the evil that's represented by ie will only be replaced with an even bigger evil which is chrome

those weasels on steroids will be hard to kill
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go firefox go!
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So if my website (with several thousand visitors a day) shows 60% Firefox users and only 15% Internet Explorer users does that mean people who read my webcomic are intelligent? Or just that I hate Internet Explorer so much that the site looks like shit in IE and people who use it never come back?

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it's a pity that the evil that's represented by ie will only be replaced with an even bigger evil which is chrome

those weasels on steroids will be hard to kill

Chrome is pretty similar to what Safari is... they come from the same codebase

Usability-wise, Safari is better. Chrome is a bit buggy in that regard. Can't even bookmark links by right (option) clicking on them... Can't delete individual history items without typing in the address in the address bar, then pressing Shift + Delete while pointing at that option with the mouse. Can't move text around a text box by selecting it and dragging to a new spot (glaring bug!)... It's definitely half-baked. But rendering bugs, which are few, are the same in both.

WebKit on desktop is pretty unified. Webkit on mobile though, is riddled with different issues and dissimilarities...



Dan

P.S. Good to see that people are finally getting a taste of the decent browsers!
post #8 of 68
This entire article could've been condensed by making the headline read, "Internet Explorer web browser use drops below 60% because Internet Explorer sucks."
post #9 of 68
Plan to buy my mom an iPad this summer, get her off her old Windows/IE computer... so that will be one less person using IE.

I prefer Firefox and sometimes Safari (on Windows), good news for all the non-IE browsers.
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Plan to buy my mom an iPad this summer, get her off her old Windows/IE computer... so that will be one less person using IE.

I prefer Firefox and sometimes Safari (on Windows), good news for all the non-IE browsers.

Same here... I like Firefox, but it's a tad slow at times...

I use Chrome instead of Safari, but only, only because Safari blurs text to the point of it being unreadable

I wish they'd give people a way to disable that in favor of ClearType....



Dan
post #11 of 68
It's nice to see IE not the only focus for web developers and as result seeing MS pushing HTML5 and other web standards for IE9. Also, IE6 is no longer the most commonly used IE browser version. In fact, IE8 is pretty close to equaling IE6 and IE7 from Ars.

While it looks like Firefox as a significant lead over WebKit-based browsers, that is only on the desktop. Id like to see the percentages for all devices with browsers. WebKit has a significant advantage here and despite some of the pejorative comments toward Chrome it's been good for WebKit market-share and support on the whole.
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post #12 of 68
I'm torn between loving and loathing Chrome

On the one hand I love it for its implicity and speed. It just works and works fast. On the otherhand it is made by a company I am growing to dislike.

But, any choice other than IE is great!
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With a totally different set of numbers from w3schools. Are either correct?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
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With a totally different set of numbers from w3schools. Are either correct?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Why can't both be correct?
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post #15 of 68
The things that make the browser choice irrelavant are programming paradigms. At the time Microsoft was trying to kill off Netscape Java was a serious threat. Now Jave is so-so. Microsoft's .NET has won the hearts of developers so more so than Java and Java will never come close again to threatening Windows' dominance.

Chrome OS and Google Docs may threaten MS, but Microsoft has many products coming out this year that may change the landscape once more as with Netscape. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

The next decade should be very interesting. Considering the iPad has such a head start in the marketplace and since it could conceivably become a full blown computer, one could see Safari/ mobile Safari becoming the dominant browser. It would also in turn get the EU or FTC on Apple to allow other browsers and potentially force open the iPhone OS.

The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the MS monopoly is coming to an end. The future is Apple vs Google vs Facebook.

As for the future being a war between Google, Apple and facebook (which has announced its "platform" intentions), an interesting conjecture.

Anyone want to suggest any other candidates for future hegemony and rank them?

Apple's premium strategy and limited number of SKU's may ensure they remain highly profitable and influential, but I'm not ready to write off Google or others in terms of user share (as opposed to market share and profit share - all of which have different dynamics), and facebook is certainly a phenomenon.

But then Google does seem to be expanding in too many different directions with too many partners to truly achieve excellence in all of them and with the danger of losing focus on core competencies. And facebook is hotter than hot, but then so was, uhhh, what was it called? Oh yeah, MySpace. And AOL was going to rule the world once upon a time.

And MS is a young enough company to make a comeback once the Ballmer era ends if they bring in the right team. Finding the balance between their business market and their desire to connect with the folk is the key, but like Apple with iTunes, they have enormous consumer assets to leverage and are in 85% of computer-using homes already.

It's hard to spot anyone else. HP has the potential on paper, but their first committment is also tied to business (like IBM a big chunk is devoted to services to corporations), and outside of printers and mostly commodity PC's they've tried, but never demonstrated real retail flair. Not a primary hardware maker. Not Sony - since the Walkman era, their proprietary tendencies have isolated them rather than created huge markets, e.g., BetaMax, Memory sticks, their own music codec (ATRAC), MiniDiscs, etc.

Not a cellco. IBM gave up on retailing to consumers long ago. Samsung? Innovative company, vast resources, but doubtful, no? Intel has thought about the idea a few times on a few levels (hardware and OS's), but they'd have to learn a lot of new competencies in a hurry. So MS is the only addition I have to your list.

But then in tech history, there's always some rising unknown ready to come out of left field.

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post #17 of 68
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Same here... I like Firefox, but it's a tad slow at times...

I use Chrome instead of Safari, but only, only because Safari blurs text to the point of it being unreadable

Dan

I find Firefox considerably slower than Safari on a 2009 MBP. Also, blur texxt in what what way? I did a side by side comparison of this exact page between the two browsers, and apart from multi-quote and quick reply, I saw NO difference whatsoever.

However it does surprise me more than a little that Chrome surpassed Safari in market share so quickly. Also that more Apple users don't defer to Safari rather Firefox (whose ONLY positive in my mind is the plug-in search capabilities).

Since I haven't experience blurry text with Safari, it seems like a no brainer.
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I find Firefox considerably slower than Safari on a 2009 MBP. Also, blur texxt in what what way? I did a side by side comparison of this exact page between the two browsers, and apart from multi-quote and quick reply, I saw NO difference whatsoever.

However it does surprise me more than a little that Chrome surpassed Safari in market share so quickly. Also that more Apple users don't defer to Safari rather Firefox (whose ONLY positive in my mind is the plug-in search capabilities).

Since I haven't experience blurry text with Safari, it seems like a no brainer.

I'm on Windows.

Most Chrome switchers are on Windows. Because Chrome brings WebKit to Windows in a better way than Safari. Chrome uses the default Windows anti-aliasing algorithm, while Safari brings over the Apple way, which is much too blurry in comparison, even though it preserves the typographically correct text shapes.

When using Safari on Windows, you feel like you suddenly need new glasses...esp on a 13" screen...while on a 27" Mac at its native resolution, it's perfectly readable....



Dan
post #19 of 68
Chrome's quick growth could be to do with the fact that it's advertised on google.com's front page (just maybe).

I think the war is basically won now. With IE only have 60% share, companies have no choice but to make standards compliant sites. So even though MS still has the bulk of the clients, they can no longer control the markup.
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We deal a lot with the public sector, so we still have about an 80% IE user base. It's really annoying because although we develop to current standards, we have to create IE specific content because local government and councils etc are all running IE.. and a shocking number of those are still on IE6 and IE7.
post #21 of 68
I also on Windows (Macs too) and used to browse with Firefox (Windows only) but now just stick with Safari. Firefox to me is too bloated/heavy with the plug-ins and stuffs (slow to launch) and I've never tried Chrome on either Mac or Windows. Too much Google TBH. Safari on Windows used to be quick but I feel nowadays it's getting slower. Blurred texts only on certain web sites but most annoyingly cannot use Click2Flash! If you go to site like www.shopto.net the CPU will be up high coz of the flash video demos that is playing automatically. Text goodness for the AdBlocker it is less stressful.
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It's disappointing the survey doesn't report the dribs and drabs of the browser world. The last one of these I saw, a few months ago, showed that 0.7% were still using Netscape! The mind boggles...
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post #23 of 68
WebKit is also in Samsung's upcoming Bada OS, which I think will have between 2 to 5 % of the smartphone market by the end of this year.

Another win for WebKit, and for all we know, as PCs are being replaced by mobile devices, WebKit could become as omnipresent as IE was in its best days, with 80 %+ combined marketshare.
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While it looks like Firefox as a significant lead over WebKit-based browsers, that is only on the desktop. Id like to see the percentages for all devices with browsers.

Sorry to disappoint you here a little, but what you're seeing is already the total, including mobile devices. NetApplications are reporting that mobile devices cover around 2 % of all web surfing now, with Java browsers for dumb phones (Opera) and iPhone OS dominating at around 0.75 % each, and 0.5 % for all the others combined, including Symbian, Android, Blackberry (in that order).

On a worldwide basis, almost all of our web browsing time (98 %) seems to still be spent on the PC/Mac, not on mobile devices.

Now it could be that the US and Western Countries are ahead in this respect, so the mobile share might be much higher than 2 % here.

It could be that tablets like the iPad will accelerate the shift the iPhone initiated, so mobile devices will make faster inroads in the next 3 years than in the last 3 years.

And it could also be that NetApplications cannot measure all of our internet time on mobile devices properly, because we spend a lot of time not in the browser, but in apps.
post #25 of 68
I use Firefox and the latest versions have sped things up quite a bit.

One can have speed and luxury too now.

Added the plug-in Fission, which gives a fast progress bar in the address bar like Safari.

Themed the window to cheer things up a bit, nice change from Safari´s metallic look.

So many plug-ins, so much fun. But here´s mine.

1 Click YouTube Video Downloader
Adblock Plus
Betterprivacy (Flash cookie killer)
Clipple (extended clipboard)
Cooliris (see it, neat)
Download Status bar
Fastest Fox
FlagFox
Ghostery (web bugs)
InvisibleHand (searches the net automatically for cheapest prices)
Is it Compatible?
Lazarus (form recovery)
Low Quality Flash
Morning Coffee
No Script (flash, java, javascript etc firewall, web cop)
NoSquint (remembers zoom levels for pages)
OptimizeGoogle
RequestPolicy
SmoothWheel (smooth scrolling)
Split Browser (splits browser window as you like)
TrackMeNot (randomizes search entries)
TVFox (eh, still checking it out)
WOT (web of trust, green your good! also works for links in web mail)


Also Firefox is Ubuntu Linux main browser, so the plug-in goodies are available there too.

One can get a safe, malware free and inexpensive pre-installed Linux netbook for a few hundred dollars if all one plans to do is surf, email, open office. The UI is a lot like OS X, or it can be themed to look like XP or OS X even. Install Flash from Adobe and your off.
post #26 of 68
Glims for Safari on the Mac allowed me to make the final move away from Firefox.
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Apple's motivation for developing Safari and Google's motivation for developing Chrome are different. Apple likely developed Safari because 1) Microsoft decided it wanted to stop supporting Explorer on the Mac and 2) Apple was tired of third parties controlling something as important as Apple's browsing experience. If Firefox abandoned Mac development, Apple would have been screwed. Further, Microsoft's proprietary standard in browsing made for a horrible browsing experience [at least on a Mac].

Google's motivation in my humble opinion is not so ambivalent. It is using Chrome for two principle reasons. First, it doesn't like paying Firefox and Apple millions of dollars for featuring Google's search results [it pays Firefox a lot of dough]. It hopes to bury Safari and Firefox so it doesn't have to pay those folks anymore. For Firefox, that would be devastating and likely kill it because it receives most if not all of it's support from Google.

Second, Google likely uses Chrome as a huge data mining tool. My suspicion on this second point is grounded in my use of Little Snitch. Google's Chrome tries to call home at least three or four different times on start up. So, many call home Windows pop up, I just stopped using it. Safari only tries to call home periodically to check for updates (maybe one a week).


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Chrome is pretty similar to what Safari is... they come from the same codebase

Usability-wise, Safari is better. Chrome is a bit buggy in that regard. Can't even bookmark links by right (option) clicking on them... Can't delete individual history items without typing in the address in the address bar, then pressing Shift + Delete while pointing at that option with the mouse. Can't move text around a text box by selecting it and dragging to a new spot (glaring bug!)... It's definitely half-baked. But rendering bugs, which are few, are the same in both.

WebKit on desktop is pretty unified. Webkit on mobile though, is riddled with different issues and dissimilarities...



Dan

P.S. Good to see that people are finally getting a taste of the decent browsers!
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The one thing that is abundantly clear is that the MS monopoly is coming to an end. The future is Apple vs Google vs Facebook.

Microsoft sells the OS that powers 90 percent of the world's PCs. There is no indication whatsoever that is going to change anytime soon.
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Come on Firefox, let's have some add-ons that allow for h.264 vids to be played back (at least on a mac). I love FF, it is my main browser, but if h.264 issue is not resolved (either by other people using ogg or FF supporting it) I think their market share will stagnate, while IE losses will be eaten up by Webkit.

I like safari and its evil brother Chrome. Safari is less buggy and seems faster on a Mac (Chrome is insanely fast on PC) but they both have a problem. Their speed goes way down after using them for 10-20 minutes of research. You have to shut them down and open up again. Firefox does not have the same slowdown problems for me, plus it is still more customizable.
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Microsoft sells the OS that powers 90 percent of the world's PCs. There is no indication whatsoever that is going to change anytime soon.

No one cares anymore. Microsoft lost the public mind years ago. It simply exists like an ancient statue and has lost the power to influence the future of the web. It's like a wet dog turd. It smells bad but once it dries out it will be picked up and discarded. Nobody cares what Microsoft says or does. That 90% share you crow about has become impotent in terms of influence and innovation. IE is just the beginning. Next up is Office, then Windows itself. And that's all there is to Microsoft. They have already lost the mobile OS war which is clearly Apple's and Google's turf now.
post #31 of 68
It would be nice if there weren't so many browsers. The small idiosyncrasies between their rendering engines creates a bottomless pit for web developers trying to make complex sites compatible among browsers.

That's just a pipe-dream though... just look at all the people still using IE6. Maybe a large percentage are all those large corporations unwilling to upgrade to a modern operating system.
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No one cares anymore. Microsoft lost the public mind years ago. It simply exists like an ancient statue and has lost the power to influence the future of the web. It's like a wet dog turd. It smells bad but once it dries out it will be picked up and discarded. Nobody cares what Microsoft says or does. That 90% share you crow about has become impotent in terms of influence and innovation. IE is just the beginning. Next up is Office, then Windows itself. And that's all there is to Microsoft. They have already lost the mobile OS war which is clearly Apple's and Google's turf now.

I wouldn't say that they are that bad. People give MS a lot of grief for many of their poor business decisions in the past, but they have had some good effects on the software industry.

If, as you suggest, their time is up, it may take quite some time for them to fall. There are massive amounts of people consuming their products. Not only that, they have very a captivating (and innovative) set of development tools and environment. These two factors will make it hard.
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IE is just the beginning. Next up is Office, then Windows itself. And that's all there is to Microsoft. They have already lost the mobile OS war which is clearly Apple's and Google's turf now.

Yup - that pretty much sums it all up for this week. MS is doomed and they are just about to lie down and die. But then again...who knows what the picture will be next week? Oh no... that's just too complicated to even consider. Lets keep it simple.
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Why can't both be correct?

I figured that out last time the W3schools numbers were mentioned. The type of clientele that W3schools attracts are web developers. That demographic is more selective about their browsers. If Microsoft were to post numbers based on visits to MSN home page it would show that there was 99% IE adoption.

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No one cares anymore. Microsoft lost the public mind years ago. It simply exists like an ancient statue and has lost the power to influence the future of the web. It's like a wet dog turd. It smells bad but once it dries out it will be picked up and discarded. Nobody cares what Microsoft says or does. That 90% share you crow about has become impotent in terms of influence and innovation. IE is just the beginning. Next up is Office, then Windows itself. And that's all there is to Microsoft. They have already lost the mobile OS war which is clearly Apple's and Google's turf now.

My guess is that M$ has a larger installed base on mobile devices than Apple and Google put together.
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From the looks of that, IE and Firefox are the only browsers that matter. The Apple browser gets lost in the shuffle of lines down near zero.
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Originally Posted by reverie View Post

Sorry to disappoint you here a little, but what you're seeing is already the total, including mobile devices. NetApplications are reporting that mobile devices cover around 2 % of all web surfing now, with Java browsers for dumb phones (Opera) and iPhone OS dominating at around 0.75 % each, and 0.5 % for all the others combined, including Symbian, Android, Blackberry (in that order).

Are you sure you're not seeing usage percentages, and not number of devices with a particular browser engine in use? I wasn't suggesting that mobile browsing accounts for a high percentage of the overall traffic to sites, but that the number of devices using a WebKit-based browser is very high and growing very fast that developer ignore WebKit, as was done previously. Though with Gecko and Firefox clawing for standards support it's pretty easy these days to support both without much fuss. Times are good, I remember when Firefox wasn't supported.


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I figured that out last time the W3schools numbers were mentioned. The type of clientele that W3schools attracts are web developers. That demographic is more selective about their browsers. If Microsoft were to post numbers based on visits to MSN home page it would show that there was 99% IE adoption.

Ars always posts their site-specific stats along with these type articles. They have Firefox with 40%, and IE barely edging out Safari, both with 19% rounded. Add in Chrome's 17% and you have WebKit-based browsers getting awfully close to besting Firefox, which is pretty impressive, IMO, even if just one tech site. I wish AI did this, too.
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post #39 of 68
I happen to use IE8 and don't plan to change anytime soon. I like it and won't change. Same for my parents.
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I happen to use IE8 and don't plan to change anytime soon. I like it and won't change. Same for my parents.

On Windows I prefer IE8 as I do like browsers with good OS integration, but I do have the Chrome Frame plugin installed and set as default. It's quite nice. Have you tried it?
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