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A survey of iPad buyers found that 44 percent would purchase the touchscreen device instead of a notebook, and 41 percent would not buy an iPod touch as a result of their tablet.

The March 2010 Alphawise survey results, disclosed Thursday by analyst Katy Huberty with Morgan Stanley, give insight into the potential cannibalization of other Apple products due to the release of the iPad. The study found that of the 44 percent who would not buy a notebook, 24 percent would not buy a MacBook, while the other 20 percent would not purchase a PC.

The survey also found that 27 percent of users would not buy a desktop as a result of their iPad purchase, with 14 percent of those not buying a Mac desktop, and the other 13 percent passing on a PC. The survey also found that the iPad will affect e-reader and handheld videogame sales, two segments in which Apple does not have a dedicated device.

Huberty said that the iPad has already had an impact on portable computer sales, which have slowed since the start of 2010. The results suggest that the netbook market was most impacted by Apple's iPad.

"U.S. consumer PC, and especially notebook, growth decelerated in January when Apple introduced the iPad and again in April when the iPad launched," she wrote. "Given the corresponding increase in (average selling prices) in the market, we believe much of the demand shortfall came from netbooks and low-cost notebooks."

The data was included as part of a note on HP's acquisition of Palm for $1.2 billion. HP has already suggested that Palm's WebOS could extend to platforms beyond smartphones, and be ported to tablets and netbooks to compete in the mobile space with Apple's iPad.



"HP's acquisition of a mobile operating system is supportive of our view that mobile Internet devices, and tablets in particular, may prove a headwind to notebook growth," Huberty wrote.

Her "bull case assumptions" suggest the global tablet market could grow to 60 million units in 2013, which is nearly double the current netbook numbers. She expects Apple's iPhone OS and Google's Android mobile operating system to be the market leaders in the tablet space, but said WebOS could capture a 15 percent market share by then.

The projection also calls for 35.6 percent gross margin for HP's WebOS tablets, which would be better than rival HTC's 31.6 percent margins, but well below a projected 2011 gross margin of between 45 percent and 50 percent for Apple and the iPhone and iPad.



Apple's iPad has had a strong start, with recently announced sales of 1 million in the first 28 days, based solely on U.S. sales. That well exceeds most analysts' expectations, most of whom predicted soon after the product's launch that it would sell between 1 million and 5 million in its first year.

During Apple's last quarterly earnings conference call, Tim Cook, the company's chief operating officer, declined to predict how much the iPad would cannibalize sales of other Apple products. He noted that after the iPad was announced in January, there was "nothing obvious" seen in sals of iPods or Macs. He did, however, say that he could see the iPad taking a large portion of the netbook market.

"To me it's a no-brainer: iPad, netbook, it's sort of 100 to zero," Cook said. "I can't think of a single thing the netbook does well, and the iPad does so many things so very well. I'm already personally addicted to mine. I couldn't live without it."
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I can see iPod Touch being less appealing than an iPad for sure if one had to select one or the other. Apple have to have planned for that but it certainly doesn't eat into iPhone sales. The question is will they phase out Touches or drop the price significantly. If they do the latter I can see both Touch and iPad selling well.
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"To me it's a no-brainer: iPad, netbook, it's sort of 100 to zero," Cook said. "I can't think of a single thing the netbook does well, and the iPad does so many things so very well. I'm already personally addicted to mine. I couldn't live without it."

Hmm... things Netbooks do well that the iPad doesn't:

1. Cost $400 or less.
2. Run the same operating system, office programs, etc that their desktops/work computers do (most of the time without needing to pay for an extra copy)
3. Let you type long reports, write long mails, etc on a physical keyboard without needing to carry around an extra plug-in keyboard
4. Skype (maybe there is support for this now, but not last time I checked)
5. Connect to peripherals everywhere easily and without needing to take special cables from home
6. Access file types currently unavailable on the iPad (flash, FLAC, MKV, i'm sure there are more)
7. Show the screen at an acceptable viewing angle for working without holding it in your hands or propping it up against something.

Those were a few things that came to mind... I know there are tons of things the iPad does better, but comparing them like Cook is is really a situation of Apples and Oranges.

Again, iPad excels at accessing information, but Netbooks and Macbooks will have it beat for content creation for a long time to come...
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I have a feeling it doesn't cannibalize the MacBook market much, if at all. I would put money down that whoever would buy an iPad over a notebook would be buying it over a comparatively priced notebook. If you feel like you need a MacBook, you need a MacBook.

Any college student I've talked to that owns a netbook constantly complains about it, and talks about how it wasn't worth the cost regardless of the price. They wouldn't take an iPad in place of it, but many of them have said to me: "man, I wish I bought a Mac". For those who want a small netbook just to have something lightweight to browse the internet with in their bag, I do think the iPad is the ideal solution. I still don't plan to buy one, but kids who don't even own/like Apple notebooks are really interested in the iPad around campus.
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Since buying my iPad, use of my iPhone and iMac has dropped off dramatically and I now use iPad 90% of the time. The iPhone is just a phone to me now and I haven't used an app or the data network since getting the iPad. My iMac gets turned on to sync my iDevices and occasionally surf the web but that's it. If it was possible to use iPad as my main/only computer, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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I thought we were all in agreement that Huberty was among the worst of the worst in terms of Apple analysts... Who cares what opinion she floats out there? A bolus is a bolus.

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The potential market for the iPad and related "larger" mobile computing devices (Tablets or Slate) is yet to be fully tapped. This is the case also for smaller mobile computing devices, like the iPhone and the iPod Touch

Cannibalization occurs mainly or is apparent only when their respective markets near saturation. Thus, the market for smaller and larger mobile computing devices therefore may continue in their respective growth phase, side by side. And the time when they each reach their respective decceleration in growth, may not at all be a case of cannibalization but a saturation of their respective markets.

Sure there would be cannibalization but the iPad and related mobile computing devices will co-exist with the desktops, laptops, netbooks and smaller mobile computing devices for a very long time, because each have defind functions, and some have defined demographic targets.

The iPod Touch and the iPad differ in their cost and portability, and more important their actual "function", even if the features seem almost the same. More than likely, the iPod Touch will appeal more to younger people both for its portability and the cost. How can you ever hide playing with the iPad when you get bored with the class or those neverending school activities?

I doubt that the data provided can predict the extent of cannibalization. This is especially true with the netbook data -- the period provided is just too short. The July-September is a back to school period while the next quarter is the holiday period. That sales would dramatically fall during the next two quarters (as seemed to be inferred from the netbook sales) is a normal pattern for many consumer products -- even the historical record of Apple sales would show that, after you exclude the expansion in market.

As to the consumer survey, that is just that, a consumer survey. I doubt very much that it even scratched the potential market of iPad and related mobile computing devices.

The market is still in growth phase for both the iPad Touch, and more so with the iPad and related larger mobile computing devices. As far a netbooks are concerned, it is too soon to predict whether they reach their plateau. Their exponential phase came at a time while the world economy was quite bad.

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Again, iPad excels at accessing information, but Netbooks and Macbooks will have it beat for content creation for a long time to come...

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't own one.

I think the thing that surprised me the most is how GOOD it is at content creation. It's true that without a bluetooth keyboard or one of these things typing more than a page or two gets old quick. But typing anything from a blog post to a Slashdot reply is actually really easy, and arranging things in Pages or Keynote is actually MUCH more fluid with direct touch manipulation.

I'd say the iPad is *the* ultimate PowerPoint/Keynote machine--both for creation and presentation-- and I wouldn't be surprised if an entire ecosystem of devices spring up around that use case.

The device has been around for a month. There will be solutions to all your problems over time, but for only having existed for a short time it's pretty amazing how good it is at almost everything.
post #9 of 148
Katy "the worst Apple analyst" Huberty just doesn't get it again. You have to have a computer to use an iPad.

My guess: it may cannibalize a small fraction of iPod Touch sales, where Touch customers find they can do more with an iPad, but it will rebalance the desktop/notebook market towards the desktop. The iPad buyer gets great portability and may be equally happy with a desktop (which is more price efficient per feature) as their other machine.
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I have a feeling it doesn't cannibalize the MacBook market much, if at all. I would put money down that whoever would buy an iPad over a notebook would be buying it over a comparatively priced notebook. If you feel like you need a MacBook, you need a MacBook.

Any college student I've talked to that owns a netbook constantly complains about it, and talks about how it wasn't worth the cost regardless of the price. They wouldn't take an iPad in place of it, but many of them have said to me: "man, I wish I bought a Mac". For those who want a small netbook just to have something lightweight to browse the internet with in their bag, I do think the iPad is the ideal solution. I still don't plan to buy one, but kids who don't even own/like Apple notebooks are really interested in the iPad around campus.

I'm a college student whose 3 year-old Dell is dying. I was planning on buying a MacBook Pro for my last 3 years, but instead bought a 64gb WiFi iPad. Reason: cost difference was $600-$1000, and I love my iPod Touch and knew the iPad with iWork would be better than a laptop for me. Weight, battery life, and books all weighed heavily in my decision as well. I can say without doubt that I made the right decision, especially after the last month of school. Note-taking apps have helped immensely, and the 12-14 hour battery is amazing! I certainly love it, and it did cannibalize the sale of a MacBook Pro. I still love MBPs though. ;-)
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The LAST thing Apple will allow is the touch to die on the vine. A pocket-sized music player that also runs Apps is one thing only - the touch. Look for it to gain features that differentiate it from the iPad.
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I don't doubt that cannibalization will occur because there is a portion of the customer base that does not need or want all the functionality of a laptop or desktop. But this is a survey of iPad buyers only and does not survey the existing laptop or desktop customer base that has not purchased an iPad. It is too early to make projections, IMO.

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I am growing old probably. I just do not understand how an iPan can replace a fully featured pc with a full OS? How an iPan can replace an iPod (they talk of iPod touch so probably those people are now looking in classic/nano direction)?


P.S. poor students. I do get it that net books are lightweight and small. But your eye laser surgery later in life is certainly not worth that convince.
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The article brought a couple three things into sharp focus. First, I've been an iPad user for all of 6 days; I got my iPad 3G+wi-fi last Friday. It is not a notebook/desktop replacement. People buying an iPad instead of a notebook or desktop computer are going to be in the computer store a week or two later to get a computer that can do the heavy lifting.

That's the second thing: the heavy lifting tasks like printing or importing/manipulating documents that the iPad and the current versions of Pages, Numbers, and Keynote just can't handle. Thinking the iPad is a replacement for a computer that can do these kinds of things is a misconception. Like me they probably got caught up in Steve's reality distortion field. Try applying for a job online (filling in an online application and submitting a resume/cover letter): i can't do it with just my iPad.

Of course, there is a chance that the survey is right. If it is then maybe people have been buying powerful computers because that's all they could buy. Now for the first time they are able to buy just enough computer to do the simple every day things an iPad is perfect for. If this is so then once the word gets out about iPad, I'm talking about iPad owners telling neighbors, friends, and family what they are doing then it's the computer companies that have nothing like the iPad on their horizons that should worry.

One last thought: the iPad reminds me of my old MessagePads from the last century. The ipad is a cool tool that Apple got right this time. When the iWork apps get updated so they're more full featured then the big boys will really be in trouble.
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Oh so many lining up to be disappointed. Interesting understanding of notebook function though. Hell some even do not undesrand word "function" in this "complex world" ;-)
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The data was included as part of a note on HP's acquisition of Palm for $1.2 billion. HP has already suggested that Palm's WebOS could extend to platforms beyond smartphones, and be ported to tablets and netbooks to compete in the mobile space with Apple's iPad.



"HP's acquisition of a mobile operating system is supportive of our view that mobile Internet devices, and tablets in particular, may prove a headwind to notebook growth," Huberty wrote.

Her "bull case assumptions" suggest the global tablet market could grow to 60 million units in 2013, which is nearly double the current netbook numbers. She expects Apple's iPhone OS and Google's Android mobile operating system to be the market leaders in the tablet space, but said WebOS could capture a 15 percent market share by then.

The projection also calls for 35.6 percent gross margin for HP's WebOS tablets, which would be better than rival HTC's 31.6 percent margins, but well below a projected 2011 gross margin of between 45 percent and 50 percent for Apple and the iPhone and iPad.

Aw come on. These are not even SWAG's. They are plain ole WAG's!

These analysts are in the wrong profession, they should be writing Science Fiction ... Oh wait, they already are.
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I'm a college student whose 3 year-old Dell is dying. I was planning on buying a MacBook Pro for my last 3 years, but instead bought a 64gb WiFi iPad. Reason: cost difference was $600-$1000, and I love my iPod Touch and knew the iPad with iWork would be better than a laptop for me. Weight, battery life, and books all weighed heavily in my decision as well. I can say without doubt that I made the right decision, especially after the last month of school. Note-taking apps have helped immensely, and the 12-14 hour battery is amazing! I certainly love it, and it did cannibalize the sale of a MacBook Pro. I still love MBPs though. ;-)

Well that is still pretty awesome it does what you want it to do! I still don't think I will ever feel like I don't need my notebook (it's my music hub, which I feel like I need complete control over at all times), but knowing it's good for note taking, you've seriously piqued my interest in getting one. What major are you? Math and engineering notes aren't worth the hassle on a notebook, but if note taking software exists where you could use something like a stylus that is accurate and neat, I'd be really interested.
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I am growing old probably. I just do not understand how an iPan can replace a fully featured pc with a full OS? How an iPan can replace an iPod (they talk of iPod touch so probably those people are now looking in classic/nano direction)?


P.S. poor students. I do get it that net books are lightweight and small. But your eye laser surgery later in life is certainly not worth that convince.

They don't!. A good analogy would be a person who owns a car, a bike and still ride the public transport, once in a while, as modes of transportation -- each has its function or optimal use. However, the luxury to have all these is only for those who can afford all these modes of transportation..

On the other hand, a person who has a family of four to support, but works in odd jobs that sometimes do not even pay the minimum wage may not likely have the luxury to have a car and a bike. There are in this group in our society who have to spend hours to commute to work, do groceries, etc. because their only recourse is public transportation, which is really not very reliable and frequent in many part of the United States, for example.

The same is true with computers, some buy netbooks, no matter how reliable computers like Apple's line of products may be, because that is all the can afford right now. In fact, many could not even afford a netbook.

That is also the case with the iPad, and related devices. It is not a all around computing device, but for many people, it may suffice for the computing needs because that is all they can afford. They have to work around its limitations (and this is doable, e.g., reliance on servers in universities, for students).

For others, especially those who can afford, the iPad and othe related Tablets may be for convenience, e.g., "light travel" and still have most of your day-to-day needs for computing without ;iugging your "bulky computer with all the files and applications you need.

Go back to the analogy of the car, bike and public transportation, and you should get the point.

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Since buying my iPad, use of my iPhone and iMac has dropped off dramatically and I now use iPad 90% of the time. The iPhone is just a phone to me now and I haven't used an app or the data network since getting the iPad. My iMac gets turned on to sync my iDevices and occasionally surf the web but that's it. If it was possible to use iPad as my main/only computer, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

The iPad 3Gs will save me about $1,000. I was planning to buy an MBA to replace my aging original intel MacBook.

In addition, I'm undecided whether to upgrade my 3Gs iPhone with ATT for the 4g iPhone. I guess I will make that decision after using the iPad for a few months while contract with ATT runs out.

I may just get a 'dumb' Verizon/T-mobile phone that sync's contacts with my iMac's Address Book. Or even Walmart's Boost for $40/mo!

Anyone know of a model that is not a blackberry that sync's contacts with Apple's Address Book?
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That's the second thing: the heavy lifting tasks like printing or importing/manipulating documents that the iPad and the current versions of Pages, Numbers, and Keynote just can't handle. Thinking the iPad is a replacement for a computer that can do these kinds of things is a misconception. Like me they probably got caught up in Steve's reality distortion field. Try applying for a job online (filling in an online application and submitting a resume/cover letter): i can't do it with just my iPad.

Of course, there is a chance that the survey is right. If it is then maybe people have been buying powerful computers because that's all they could buy. Now for the first time they are able to buy just enough computer to do the simple every day things an iPad is perfect for. If this is so then once the word gets out about iPad, I'm talking about iPad owners telling neighbors, friends, and family what they are doing then it's the computer companies that have nothing like the iPad on their horizons that should worry.

One last thought: the iPad reminds me of my old MessagePads from the last century. The ipad is a cool tool that Apple got right this time. When the iWork apps get updated so they're more full featured then the big boys will really be in trouble.

Yes, not everyone uses computers the same way and need the same functionality. I would argue the vast majority of people will get by just fine with iPad and rarely ever run into something they can't do. This will be especially true once the product matures a bit. But still even today, I'm using my iPad almost exclusively. My iMac sits barely ever turned on for a month. That seems like a replacement to me.
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Hmm... things Netbooks do well that the iPad doesn't:

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1. Cost $400 or less.

At this point its been proven that cost is not that important of a factor in a products success.

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2. Run the same operating system, office programs, etc that their desktops/work computers do (most of the time without needing to pay for an extra copy)

Running a desktop OS on an 11" screen is not a plus. This is going to be one of primary reasons netbooks don't become a mainstream product.


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3. Let you type long reports, write long mails, etc on a physical keyboard without needing to carry around an extra plug-in keyboard

Typing on those tiny keys is not easy for long reports.


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4. Skype (maybe there is support for this now, but not last time I checked)

Skype works on the iPad.


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5. Connect to peripherals everywhere easily and without needing to take special cables from home

Seeing as there are different cables for different peripherals, what special cables are you talking about?


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6. Access file types currently unavailable on the iPad (flash, FLAC, MKV, i'm sure there are more)

There is no need to support every obscure file type. The iPad only needs to support the most commonly used.

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7. Show the screen at an acceptable viewing angle for working without holding it in your hands or propping it up against something.

This is an odd comparison. Its a tablet, its whole purpose is to be a screen with nothing else.

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Again, iPad excels at accessing information, but Netbooks and Macbooks will have it beat for content creation for a long time to come...

The iPhone already has a wealth of content creation apps. From creating music, to shooting/editing video, to drawing sketches. The iPad will be a better platform for these apps than the iPhone.
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IAny college student I've talked to that owns a netbook constantly complains about it, and talks about how it wasn't worth the cost regardless of the price. They wouldn't take an iPad in place of it, but many of them have said to me: "man, I wish I bought a Mac". For those who want a small netbook just to have something lightweight to browse the internet with in their bag, I do think the iPad is the ideal solution. I still don't plan to buy one, but kids who don't even own/like Apple notebooks are really interested in the iPad around campus.

I agree. I was bitten by the netbook bug because I wear a lot of hats, and server administration is one of them. I needed something small and light to carry around with me, so I didn't need to constantly be popping out a huge 17" MBP every time there was a server problem.

It turns out the netbook was a total waste of money. It worked as a remote desktop client, but not much more than that. It crashed frequently, Outlook couldn't handle my large email inbox, and just connecting to VPN seemed to drive the system load far enough to kill battery life and drive up heat. And it was SLOW despite being a higher-end unit. One word: Yuck.

I'm sold on the iPad. It accomplishes everything I need it to do and plenty more, it makes my life so much simpler and less frustrating, I'm a speed demon at typing on it, and I am annoyed far less when I need to pull it out to fix something. Just taking it out of my bag makes people around me smile. Now I just need one with a forward-facing camera for video conferencing. And a built-in tricorder so I can detect neutrino emissions from cloaked enemy starships. LOL...
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I'm not so sure it will eat into the Touch all that much. They serve two very different functions. You cannot put an iPad in your pocket being the primary difference.

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I can see iPod Touch being less appealing than an iPad for sure if one had to select one or the other. Apple have to have planned for that but it certainly doesn't eat into iPhone sales. The question is will they phase out Touches or drop the price significantly. If they do the latter I can see both Touch and iPad selling well.
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44% of ipad users don't understand the ipad simply better suits their needs than a notebook.

I mean seriously, if the ipad can replace your notebook, it means you weren't doing anything too advanced with a notebook (that you can't do with an ipad.)

This is the niche market Apple has tapped perfectly.
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Man I hope they don't kill off the touch and replace it with the iPad. I like the ability to chose my network and plan and still be able to use an iPod for everything else but calling.
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Since buying my iPad, use of my iPhone and iMac has dropped off dramatically and I now use iPad 90% of the time. The iPhone is just a phone to me now and I haven't used an app or the data network since getting the iPad. My iMac gets turned on to sync my iDevices and occasionally surf the web but that's it. If it was possible to use iPad as my main/only computer, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I completely agree with you on this, with a couple of exceptions.

I don't own the iPad, but i have use one for an extended period of time. My biggest complaint about this device is the fact that i can't see my home network or access my home network wirelessly through the iPad. Why not? The Apple TV does this, why not use that technology for the iPad.

My second biggest complaint about this device is that it's not a stand alone device. Why not? If apple sold it with a base station, perhaps the keyboard, that functioned as a docking station that you could plug in a Network cable to, that would really be all you need as a computer, for most (i.e. people who only need a computer for surfing the net, reading typing email, skype, occational long emails and school homework). THis might be less than 50% of all computer users, but it seems like a no brainer to me. I think they will sell even more of these devices if it was a stand-alone device.

If i owned an iPad, it definately would 75% replace my PC. For people as decribed above, like my mom, it could be the only device they need.

My only other suggestion for 3rd party accessory manufacturers would be to make an accessory like the Apple-made Keyboard, but make it in such a way so that the iPad plugs into it and the keyboard can fold over the screen (like a Netbook); therefore, making it almost like a net book and you can place it on your lap to type long emails or whatever.
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Well that is still pretty awesome it does what you want it to do! I still don't think I will ever feel like I don't need my notebook (it's my music hub, which I feel like I need complete control over at all times), but knowing it's good for note taking, you've seriously piqued my interest in getting one. What major are you? Math and engineering notes aren't worth the hassle on a notebook, but if note taking software exists where you could use something like a stylus that is accurate and neat, I'd be really interested.

I am majoring in Business Marketing and the incredible ease and rapidity with which I can create ad concepts, flow charts, diagrams and flyers is really amazing. I have a good deal of music as well, and you'll probably be glad to know you have full editing capabilities for all of your playlists. I did purchase a Pogo Sketch stylus for $10, but haven't used it much as it is basically only superior to my finger for painting. I haven't used it much and would say that my finger is good enough for basically anything I want to do on my iPad. The multitouch sensors are very accurate and extremely precise. I am keeping my Dell for a base station to sync and backup, but everything else is handled by my iPad.
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post #29 of 148
I have found that the iPad has increased the usefulness of my MacBook despite the fact that I spend less time actually using it. Let me explain: One of my favorite things about the Mac has always been that the quality and simplicity of OSX and Mac applications allow me to do a better job of creating and organizing my data and content.

The result has been that I ended up with a great library of music with perfect cover art and metadata, a great library of movies, and a highly organized photo library. Before the iPad, however, all of this content was locked in my notebook and not in a particularly ideal place to enjoy all of that content and data. Now that I have an iPad, I am getting even more return on the time I spent organizing the digital goodies on my Mac.

I know from my tireless efforts to help non-geeks that most people really struggle with managing their data, even on a Mac. These people will always make a mess of a file system that gives them unfettered access. Truthfully, I think the average Joe out there will be better off with a device that combines the appliance-like functionality of the iPad with the productivity potential of a current notebook. I don't see any reason why these are mutually-exclusive concepts.

With the iPad we have a unique form-factor coupled with a unique operating/application system. I fully expect that the direction Apple intends to go will result in notebook-like form-factors running iPad-like OS/App combinations. Kind of like a microwave: put cold food in, hit button, take hot food out.
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They are different tools for different jobs. For all intents and purposes the iPhone OS does the exact same thing as the desktop OS. It supports third party applications with a compliment of API's designed for its user interface capabilities. The iPads user interface and capabilities are different from a desktop.

A desktop PC is not ideal to put into your bag and carry around. As well the iPad is not ideal for heavy duty processing. Both are different tasks and have different tools to accomplish them.

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I am growing old probably. I just do not understand how an iPad can replace a fully featured pc with a full OS? How an iPad can replace an iPod (they talk of iPod touch so probably those people are now looking in classic/nano direction)?
post #31 of 148
I don't totally buy these numbers. The only way I can see an iPad replacing a notebook. Is if you have a desktop that's your primary machine and use the iPad as your portable.

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44% of ipad users don't understand the ipad simply better suits their needs than a notebook.
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Oh so many lining up to be disappointed. Interesting understanding of notebook function though. Hell some even do not undesrand word "function" in this "complex world" ;-)

Interesting understanding of the word disappointed. Ipad is a hit.
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All you have to do is look at how many Touchs Apple sells each quarter and that will answer your fears.


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Man I hope they don't kill off the touch and replace it with the iPad. I like the ability to chose my network and plan and still be able to use an iPod for everything else but calling.
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Katy "the worst Apple analyst" Huberty just doesn't get it again. You have to have a computer to use an iPad.

You also need electricity and a wireless network. So what's your point?

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Of course, there is a chance that the survey is right. If it is then maybe people have been buying powerful computers because that's all they could buy. Now for the first time they are able to buy just enough computer to do the simple every day things an iPad is perfect for. If this is so then once the word gets out about iPad, I'm talking about iPad owners telling neighbors, friends, and family what they are doing then it's the computer companies that have nothing like the iPad on their horizons that should worry.

I suspect it's at least somewhat valid. If your mobile needs are limited, then the iPad can suffice quite nicely. I replaced a PowerBook with an iPad.

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My second biggest complaint about this device is that it's not a stand alone device. Why not? If apple sold it with a base station, perhaps the keyboard, that functioned as a docking station that you could plug in a Network cable to, that would really be all you need as a computer, for most (i.e. people who only need a computer for surfing the net, reading typing email, skype, occational long emails and school homework). THis might be less than 50% of all computer users, but it seems like a no brainer to me. I think they will sell even more of these devices if it was a stand-alone device.

I keep hearing this critique, but I still don't understand it. I've been using my iPad constantly since Day One and rarely see any need to physically connect it with my desktop Mac. That's about as "free standing" as it gets.
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Man I hope they don't kill off the touch and replace it with the iPad. I like the ability to chose my network and plan and still be able to use an iPod for everything else but calling.

The iPod Touch has not replaced the other iPods, each has its own niche, in both functions and target market. I believe it is the reason why Apple didn't simply place all the features of the iPhone in the iPod Touch, apart from the phone feature.

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Hmm... things Netbooks do well that the iPad doesn't:

1. Cost $400 or less.
2. Run the same operating system, office programs, etc that their desktops/work computers do (most of the time without needing to pay for an extra copy)
3. Let you type long reports, write long mails, etc on a physical keyboard without needing to carry around an extra plug-in keyboard
4. Skype (maybe there is support for this now, but not last time I checked)
5. Connect to peripherals everywhere easily and without needing to take special cables from home
6. Access file types currently unavailable on the iPad (flash, FLAC, MKV, i'm sure there are more)
7. Show the screen at an acceptable viewing angle for working without holding it in your hands or propping it up against something.

Those were a few things that came to mind... I know there are tons of things the iPad does better, but comparing them like Cook is is really a situation of Apples and Oranges.

Again, iPad excels at accessing information, but Netbooks and Macbooks will have it beat for content creation for a long time to come...

Once again, its not a matter of the iPad being a notebook or desktop replacement for everyone. Clearly a large percentage of users feel that the iPad does all of the things they actually do on a netbook, but more conveniently.

People on tech forums such as this really have a hard time getting their heads around the fact that they are a niche use case in the large scheme of things.

Apple's brilliance has been in realizing that developers and sysadmins are defacto employees, not the primary customer base.
I know that hurts developers' feelings, but its a fact. They're there to help Apple serve customers, not the other way around.
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My second biggest complaint about this device is that it's not a stand alone device. Why not? If apple sold it with a base station, perhaps the keyboard, that functioned as a docking station that you could plug in a Network cable to, that would really be all you need as a computer, for most (i.e. people who only need a computer for surfing the net, reading typing email, skype, occational long emails and school homework). THis might be less than 50% of all computer users, but it seems like a no brainer to me. I think they will sell even more of these devices if it was a stand-alone device.

My guess is that is coming, but first things first. I see it as inevitable that the iPad will eventually gain user accounts, common file stores, etc., and will someday also stand on its own without requiring a sync to iTunes. But the OS and the device is still in its infancy, and for now it's still a fantastic device without that. Will it be even better once it breaks its notebook bonds? Sure. But it's really not that big a deal to sync it a few times a month when OS updates come out, you want to back up the device, or you want to sync pics or music from your desktop.
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I think your situation is not unique. I have a family member who is enrolled at the University of Michigan. He has been talking about getting a new Mac Book Pro to replace his old iMac. He decided to buy an iPad instead. The iPad, he says takes care of his mobile needs. He eventually will buy a new iMac for use at home.

I am thinking of doing something similar. Selling my Mac Book Pro, buying an iMac along with an iPad.


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I'm a college student whose 3 year-old Dell is dying. I was planning on buying a MacBook Pro for my last 3 years, but instead bought a 64gb WiFi iPad. Reason: cost difference was $600-$1000, and I love my iPod Touch and knew the iPad with iWork would be better than a laptop for me. Weight, battery life, and books all weighed heavily in my decision as well. I can say without doubt that I made the right decision, especially after the last month of school. Note-taking apps have helped immensely, and the 12-14 hour battery is amazing! I certainly love it, and it did cannibalize the sale of a MacBook Pro. I still love MBPs though. ;-)
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Has anyone actually tried creating/working with a large spreadsheet on the iPad? We were torn on how to replace an aging Powerbook and were looking at a Netbook or the iPad. We also have a Macbook Pro at home, but needed a second alternative and something light for travelling.

The iWork spreadsheet app takes FOREVER to input anything. Using the keyboard of a netbook is SO much faster. I also spent only $300. No extra keyboard to buy, other adapters to buy to get photos off my camera, not re-buying all the apps I've already purchased for my iPhone, it already has a front facing camera, it handles Outlook very well (which blows away Mail on the iPad). I've had zero performance problems. It's nice to not feel gouged by Apple for every single accessory I need to make it more like a "notebook experience". There are also so many GOOD freeware alternatives to apps, where as the desire to create a GOOD free App Store application has gone the wayside. The iPad seems like a continue outpouring of money. So far I've had one upfront cost with my Netbook.

Don't get me wrong, I see a place for the iPad. I just don't see it replacing a Netbook/Notebook. Seems to be great for portable gaming and portable web browsing. But for content creation, content sharing (Bittorrent app for iPad?) it just doesn't seem to be a long term winner. Can you comfortably sit with a keyboard and an iPad on your lap anywhere (is the extra acce$$ory dock work on the lap as well?)? Also, the battery life argument isn't much of one, I get 11 hours on my netbook.

We also can sync a bluetooth mouse that we already own to our netbook for FLASH websites. Don't get me wrong, Flash may be going the way of the wayside, but by the time it's gone, we'll be on iPad generation 3 or 4. So in the meantime, it's nice to be able to access those kinds of websites. Ever try going to a local restaurant's website on an iPhone on the go? It's the most annoying thing in the world as most are done in Flash.
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That is exactly what I think many people will do. I plan on doing it. I much prefer to wok on a desktop when a t home, but I needed the portability of a portable so I went with a Mac Book Pro. I can do all the things I usually do when traveling with the iPad: namely emailing, web surfing, taking notes, etc. So why would I buy a more expensive laptop when I can get a fuller features iMac and iPad for about the same price?

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I don't totally buy these numbers. The only way I can see an iPad replacing a notebook. Is if you have a desktop that's your primary machine and use the iPad as your portable.
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