44% of iPad buyers view Apple's tablet as notebook replacement - Page 4

I can't see canon, HP, Brother, Epson... doing printer and other drivers for iPad any time soon, but that would be cool.

Ah. He's learning from the best, but the Force is still not strong with him

(and you must apply significant force to distort reality field successfully)

ok, maybe you're not getting my point. I'm trying to get across to you that the iPad SHOULD NOT BE, AT ALL, EVER BE dependent on another device for anything. It really has nothing to do with storage, except to point out that if it wasn't dependent on a computer, you could provide some kind of alternate storage, independent of a computer.

Ditto. Love my Touch for music in my left breast pocket. iPhone for calls & Mail in my right breast pocket. iPad for big stuff and watching V at home or in my backpack. I don't perceive the overlap as much as some do. I plan to buy the next iPod Touch in September as well as the new iPhone next month. And I have both 32 GB 2nd gen and 64 GB 3rd gen Touches. I think you could categorize me as an Apple touch screen whore.

I love touch so much that I can't have enough of them around me. I wrote this post on my new 64 GB GPS iPad. Arrived yesterday from MacConnection I ordered April 3.

I'm hooked on the plethora of Apps that help you do so many different things plus entertainment. I'm a charter Mac user since February 1984 and just past 63 years young. For me this is the future I will only be alive long enough to experience the beginning. You younger kids may not realize how significant this paradigm shift is for the future of computing communications. But I see it and wish I could be there with you when you get to be my age and instead of looking back at slide rules and typewriters you look back at this time when Apple gave the world a very special gift that ranks among the all time greatest milestones in the history of mankind's communication technologies - touchscreen phones, game & music players, iPads, and next month the realization of the science fiction of the Dick Tracy Video Watch in the next iPhone HD with OS 4.0.

We are so blessed to live in this time. In the face of massive political and economic upheaval, historians will also note this was the era when Touch was born and quickly rose to dominance.

At a recent 6 day trip to the UK I did not take my 4 year old MBP15 (due to bulk/weight) as I had the iPhone to show pictures to friends and family. I had an extra 7 day holiday thanks to the volcano ash, and then I missed my computer.

I am considering an iPad (with iWork) as a replacement for my laptop for my travel needs but if I take this road, I fully intend to get a 27" iMac as well. I am not happy with the syncing of iWork from what I have heard, and I think I would like a camera (not that I use my MBP one much, but I do). And is it that difficult, technically to add USB/SD card slots to the iPad itself?

Not sure what the thinking is to not let iWork for iPad become (mostly) compatible with the OS X version, so perhaps this will come with time. My options include MBP13 (still too heavy?) or MBAir (too weak?). Any chance, your Steveness, or your Iveness, of a MacBook Feather? You know, a slightly larger Air, without a custom (read weak) processor, and Ethernet and 2x USB on board?

Or a MBP13 with GPU? And, matte screen options, please, please? I was just thinking, if the MBP13 is the most popular Mac, how come it comes with the least options? I have difficulty accepting the cannibalisation arguments, as we are being asked to choose the lesser of various evils rather than something that fits our needs exactly. We can't take the wish list too far, though, as we end up with chaos...

Think as you will.
It still won't impact on the millions of iPads that will be sold this year.

Hell, they're not even available to the REST of the world!

So now you're saying Apple is outselling PCs? What the hell are you smoking, pal?


http://www.internetnews.com/stats/ar...ff-in-2010.htm

33.3 million sold in the USA in 2009? How is that a "small fraction"? Sorry, but to me, 1 in 10 americans owning one makes it a mainstream product...


The iPad does NOT have a USB port.


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Show me some numbers, man. Everybody I know that uses Skype and has a webcam uses the friggin webcam and does video chats. If you would stay on topic, I was mentioning a few reasons why the iPad doesn't "do everything a netbook can only better", as was stated in the original article.


Sorry, pal. Still no USB on the iPad. It has a proprietary "docking cable" so you can plug it into your computer at home, or into the wall. How will you connect it to a printer? How will you connect it to an external hard drive?


The only one making things up is you.


Very funny.


Again, funny.


There are plenty of websites you can't properly see on the iPhone due to flash being broken. That won't change for at least several years, unless apple accepts Flash 10.1 when it arrives...


Do you mean this in the same way you meant Apple computers are outselling PCs?


Ever tried cmb+TAB? (Alt-Tab in windows) Multitasking IS a feature that helps productivity, even with limited screen real estate.

Anyways, nice try with the imaginary facts. You're trying to pull the dialogue way off topic to get to some sort of "correct zone", but you're really just making a lot of silly claims, so I'll just stop responding to you now. You're more than welcome to continue by writing that the iPad, in addition to USB has Firewire, a built-in Bluray player, a 15" screen, and that not only does Apple outsell PCs, but that every american will own 2 iPads by the end of June. Thanks. Have fun with the furry elephants.

I believe the same too, but still no iPad

Teno may have been wrong in claiming that netbooks are a niche market, but trying to correct him by using incorrect figures doesn't really do you any favours.

The 33 million figure is worldwide, not US only.

What are the numbers? I thought they were a hot category.

Or did you just make that up?

I'm glad that I am not anywhere near you. What other people do should be of no concern to you. MYOB.

But a Netbook will do anything a 5 year old desktop can do. The CPU is equvalent to a slow Pentium 4, and they have 1 or 2 gigs of RAM.

An iPad will not do half of what a real computer will do. Even for surfing the web, a Netbook will display/play Flash sites, while the iPad will not.

For light word processing, you can use Word on a Netbook, while no version is available for the iPad. And a keyboard is really nice while typing.

Your third example is email - if you have Word, you likely have Outlook too. But not on an iPad.

Look - the iPad is a great little device. But it is NOT a Netbook. A Netbook is a real computer.

Anybody who buys an iPad for Facebook will be very disappointed to find that lots of the content is unavailable on the iPad, like Farmville.

And they will not be able to sync their iPod either. Even if they could, a netbook has 160 or 250 gigs of storage, while the iPad has only a tiny amount of storage - generally not big enough for mass storage of music and video collections.

I just did some backups today.

Recent downloads, unsorted, all types: 80 Gigs
Movies: 60 Gigs
Music: 22 gigs
Documents of various types: 70 Gigs.
Email (including attachments): 38 Gigs
Pictures: 25 Gigs

I did that in order to clear out the old 320 Gig HD in preparation for a new one. These are just the stuff on the computer itself - the 1T backup drive already had substantial amounts of data on it.

So the computer is limited, yes. But to say that it is limited in the manner that the iPad is limited is to ignore a difference of sufficient magnitude that the comparison is meaningless.

It is like saying that both a one-room shack and a magnificent mansion are both limited in floor space. Both the statement about the shack and the statement about the iPad are similar - they are both true and both meaningless.

If what you say is true, then the iPad "needs" to support Flash.

I get your point, and I get that it's an exaggeration of the actual situation. With the already stated exceptions, which I have acknowledged, a computer is just as "dependent" on other devices as an iPad. You are expecting the iPad to be able to do more things independently than your PC can do independently, which strikes me as an unreasonable expectation.

Why not? IPhone OS is based on Mac OS X, so it may not be a huge problem. In any event, iPads are selling like hotcakes - I can see 'iPad ready' being a big selling point.


Why? That sounds like the philosophical 'software should be free' argument. It's a pure faith-based argument with no bearing on reality. There's absolutely no rational reason why 'connect to computer to sync' is bad while 'do not connect to computer to sync' is good.

Furthermore, for some people, there IS no need to connect to a computer. Ever. They can have it activated before they leave the store and then it will work for many people's needs without syncing. Not everyone needs to upgrade their OS every time a new version comes out.

You are assuming that just because YOU want something that it must be essential. It's not.


Maybe you should avoid thinking that the whole world is like you and your friends. Every one of the employees in my company who travel use Skype - and not a single one uses video. None of our customers use video on Skype (we do a lot of international business, so Skype is one of our main means of communication).

Then there's the issue of where you want Apple to put the camera. Landscape or Portrait? And how you expect a video picture of a handheld device to remain stable and properly oriented without becoming a nostril-cam.

But, if you really insist on using vide with the iPad, someone announced a camera that will use the 30 pin connector. I just don't see why I should pay for it just because 0.02% of geeks want it.


No doubt. 15 years ago, there were still some companies that provided their software on floppies. Change is uncomfortable, but when it's the right thing to do, you do it. It has been thoroughly demonstrated why Flash on the iPhone is a bad idea. Of course, that's hypothetical because ADOBE NEVER RELEASED FLASH FOR THE IPHONE. Don't believe me? Then where is the full version of Flash for jailbroken phones? Or the full version of Flash for Symbian? Or WebOS? Or Windows Mobile? Or even Android? (Yes, I'm aware that after years of promises, they're saying that the Android version will be out 'real soon now', but even that version reqiures much more CPU power than the iPhone will provide). So if you want to whine about lack of Flash, blame Adobe for never creating a full mobile version capable of running on the iPhone.


You're confusing check lists with usefulness. If you buy every product by going through some check list and looking only at features, you're right. Fortunately, not everyone works that way. Lots of people look at what they need and what they're hoping to accomplish - and then see if a product meets their needs.

For a lot of people, the iPad meets their needs quite well. I personally don't miss Flash. There are only a few sites that I would ever use that require it and that number is dropping fast. Fortunately, even if I absolutely MUST VISIT a Flash site while traveling, I fire up LogMeIn to access my home computer and visit the Flash site. So why cripple the iPad by adding Flash when it's not necessary?

Furthermore, you are falling into the trap of believing that the iPad is the only computer in a household. While that might be true for some people, there are a lot more who are buying an iPad as a second (or third or fourth or fifth) computer. Syncing isn't a problem. Even its 'limitations' aren't a problem because they have another computer to use. The iPad is for light content consumption - and it works very, very well for that.

The fact that a Ferrari won't easily haul 6 kids doesn't mean that it's not a good car.


Based on what? Your arbitrary view that Flash is essential? So far, there are 85 million customers who disagree with you. Why should anyone believe that you know what I need better than I do?



Not really. Apple said it's neither a netbook nor a notebook. It's a different device. The rest of your post was accurate-though. The mistake being made is that the iPad haters are apparently refusing to understand that different people have different needs. If even 1% of computer users could use the iPad instead of their computer, that's tens of millions of users. No one ever said that the iPad was right for everyone.


Exactly. SOME PEOPLE will find the iPad suitable. Some will not.

Anybody? Really?

There's far more to Facebook than just Farmville. No one I know plays it. I have ClicktoFlash installed and I've never used Flash yet on Facebook.

Tiny amount of storage - I guess that's why no buys the iPad Nano. It may seem hard to believe, but not everyone has a huge media collection.

You're assuming that your usage for computers is the norm. I doubt that many who hang out on this board, would have "normal" computer usage needs.

Never underestimate how little some people actually use their computers.

It's amazing how many get their in panties in a wad because the iPad because it doesn't do everything a "real" computer would do. So what. Digital point and shoot cameras don't do everything a D-SLR does. Yet many want a point and shoot instead of a D-SLR. Some may even get buy on the camera in their phone, while others will have all 3 types and use them at different times for different tasks. Is any of these the right way?

Yes, my way of course.

You have to look at the full context, roughly 310 million PC's sell worldwide annually. Netbooks are about 8% to 10% of total sales and growth is already beginning to slow.



Dell and HP have abandoned the netbook market. The two largest computer makers in the world don't seem to believe in its future prospects.


True you would have to use wireless networking for printing. But WiFi enabled printers are more and more common now days.

Depending on how important it is for you. You can use pastebot to transfer copy/paste files from iPad to computer.


Yes but we clearly see what direction that's headed in. Every major video media distributor is transitioning to providing pure H.264, there is little reason they have to use the Flash wrapper.



That can depend on what you are doing. My point is that these tools are available.

In growth percentages, yes they are.



That's worldwide an is a drop in the bucket to total PC sales worldwide. Netbook growth is going down.






Everybody you know makes up the majority of Skype users? If you want to believe most of the 33 billion Skype calls made last year were video chat you are free to.


You still haven't identified these proprietary iPad cables.


Yeah porn...... What major media website can you name that doesn't already or hasn't planned to provide H.264 video without Flash?


Don't use Windows. I use expose on my 15" MBP. We already know multitasking is coming to the iPad. So there isn't much of a point to continue to complain about it.

You have to separate hype from reality. Netbooks never equalled the sales of desktops or laptops and their sales are already cooling off.


As website after website supports HTML 5 and H.264.

That's because some cash-strapped consumers were hoping bargain-basement netbooks would be capable enough computers to eliminate the need for a more expensive device. But you get what you pay for. Trying to cram a fully functioning computer into a $300 package = poor performance. What Apple has done is introduced a $500 device that is relatively affordable because it isn't trying to be a full-functioning computer able to meet all of one's computing needs.

It isn't a netbook replacement in the sense of trying to be a full-function computer for a very cheap price. But it is a device that offers an alternative to opting for a laptop as a complimentary device to a proper desktop or decent-grade laptop. The iPad does a lot of what consumers were using their laptops for, only it's better suited to those functions. Great battery life. More portability. Low enough price to be justifiable as a compliment to a more robust computer system. No need for huge storage because one's other machine has that covered. Take along what you need at any point in time and later switch content to suit a changed situation, letting the desktop or high-performance laptop serve as the device to store huge amounts of data on. Meanwhile you don't have to deal with the battery drain, cost, or bulk that a higher capacity requires.

Sure a few people will start off thinking maybe their computer needs will be met by an iPad alone but they're mistaken and Apple, to its credit is not positioning the iPad to fill that role. On the other hand, if people buy the iPad and find it does a great job for what Apple has designed it for, mission accomplished. Seems to me that while some think that some limitations are a bad thing - like no direct USB connection or the fact it doesn't run the full-out variation of OSX - it's part of Apple managing expectations to better position the device.

I´ve been very busy lately, seems I accurately predicted the recent down trend in the stock market.

The way I see the iPad, it´s Apple´s ¨netbook¨ market.

Basically Apple is copying the fad PC users have had with netbooks, with another device.

The process is the same, give the people a slimmed down device that can´t do squat and let them get their fill. Next time they get think about getting a computer, they will part with the bigger bucks and get a real one.

Apple´s strategy is a bit different than the PC makers ¨netbooks¨ with razor thin margins and a ¨loss leader¨ approach, Apple is making good margins on their iPads and a lower price, at the cost of a lot of features. But you can get some of those features back, if you pay more money. It´s quite brilliant actually.

Once the market has had it´s fill of underpowered, under performing devices, drop them from the line, or raise their prices and add more features. Like what netbooks are turning back into laptops are doing today.

The game is to drop to a lower price point, get more new people interested in computers that ordinary were put off by their high prices, give them a piece of cr*p and let them stew and want more.

This is a game being played on people by the industry, first the PC industry and now Apple with a improved version.

1) You predicted Greece's effect on the world's economy or are you saying that the iPad has caused the economic issues in Greece?

2) "Apple is copying the [netbook] fad" by doing the exact opposite of the netbook fad?

3) You infer that Apple's good margins and increased profits are why Apple's stock is falling. Brilliant!

So if I make one computer and sell it this year, and then sell 10 next year, for a growth of 1000%, you'll say I'm outselling PCs and Macs combined? Or are you just trying to qualify your earlier bull?


33 million in the is a drop in the bucket?


Thanks for the picture. That's not a standard USB cable going directly into the iPad, sorry. See the proprietary adapter?


http://gigaom.com/2010/04/20/skype-q4-2009-number/

36 percent of Skype-to-Skype calls as of the end of the fourth quarter 2009 included video. That means 90 billion minutes of Video calls made since the service launched. Now you'll tell me that's an insignificant number, and that nobody will notice not being able to do video chats on Skype...


See the above photo. Apple calls it the "Apple Dock Connector Cable" and yes, it's proprietary. Forget it at home, and you'll probably be SOL if you show up somewhere and need to plug into the USB port of a projector, printer, external drive, etc.


Hulu is pretty popular, and hasn't announced anything regarding Flash alternatives (a rumor on AI doesn't count for shit).
Metacafé has had html5 in "pre-beta" for about 2 years, and most of it isn't viewable without flash.
Dailymotion is also pretty popular. Tried using it without flash lately?

Those are actually #2, 3 and 4 in terms of most popular video websites in the world.

#1, Youtube is still in very limited Beta. Any videos with ads enabled (lots of them) won't work, and fullscreen doesn't work. Also, limited resolution choices in HTML5. Is it 6 months away? A year away? Don't you think that matters to users, if their brand new machine can fully access the top 4 video sites on the net? Maybe not if they have both an iPad and notebook/netbook/desktop, but if it's their only machine, then of course that's an issue.


Okay, first you're saying multitasking sucks on an 11" screen, but now you say it'll be fine on 9.7"?

Anyways, I still maintain that iPad to netbook is Apples to Oranges, both work well in areas where the other doesn't, and the iPad won't be replacing the netbook or notebook any time soon.

Sigh, reading is fundamental.....

Mac sales projected to grow 26% in 2010, outpacing PC market



33 million in comparison to 320 million, yes




Its interesting how you are so willing to have such a loose grip on realization.

The adaptor is iPod Dock to standard USB. The USB cable is not permanently attached.


The report says that 36% of Skype to Skype calls were made on video at the end of the fourth quarter. You take that and extrapolate the number of video calls since the service is launched. Playing it pretty fast and loose with the facts there.



Its been pretty well reported everywhere that Hulu is working on an iPad app. Its widely accepted unless you choose to be totally dense.

Your rankings are way off FaceBook is a far bigger video delivery service than Metacafe' or Daily motion. FaceBook is working on delivering H.264 video without Flash. Dailymotion has an iPhone app. So that means......you don't need Flash.


You are mixing two different delivery methods here. Delivering H.264 without the Flash wrapper and delivering HTML5 video. Are two different things.


The iPad won't be running multiple windows on a tiny screen. The iPad won't allow apps to overwhelm system resources rendering the system unusable.

The point of multitasking on a desktop OS is to run multiple windows at the same time. Desktop OS isn't concerned about the amount of system resources each app is using.


Yeah because people are so excited about the next new Netbook that will come out.

"The survey also found that 27 percent of users would not buy a desktop as a result of their iPad purchase, with 14 percent of those not buying a Mac desktop, and the other 13 percent passing on a PC. The survey also found that the iPad will affect e-reader and handheld videogame sales, two segments in which Apple does not have a dedicated device."


I understand what you are trying to say buy you don't say it correctly.
You can't say with 14 percent of those since those is referring to the last group referenced,i.e. the 27% group. You are saying 14% of 27% which equals 3.78%.


Your paragraph should be corrected as follows: the 14% should be 51.8% (i.e 14/27) and the other 13% should be 48.2% (i.e. 13/27)