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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobs-u....html?x=0&.v=6

This is exactly the kind of Covering Fire operation we've been seeing in the media. Unemployment ticks up to 9.9%, and it's actually a good thing, because payrolls increased.

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Jobs up 290,000; jobless rate rises to 9.9 pct.
Jobs grow by most in 4 years; jobless rate rises 9.9 pct. as people resume searches

Yes, AP...qualify it. See, the rate only increased because more people were looking for work. It's not like the economy is still in bad shape or anything.

We saw this same nonsense with Bush, but in reverse. 5.8% unemployment was actually must higher, because people had stopped looking for work. The fact that average unemployment under Bush was less than the respective averages in the 70s, 80s or 90s was ignored. The recovery was only for the rich!

So, on to some questions.

*When do you think unemployment gets below 8%?

*What will the unemployment rate be in November?

*How will this affect the midterm elections?

I had actually expected unemployment to continue to tick down slowly. My thinking was the economy would be in modest recovery by November, but that this would not be enough to stem the political tsunami the Democrats will face. Now I'm starting to thinking the economy may be stagnating again as we speak. If unemployment is not below 9% in November, 2010 might look a lot like 1994.
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*When do you think unemployment gets below 8%?

Not for at least three years, if ever...

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*What will the unemployment rate be in November?

Two factors here; job growth is heavily slanted to government civil servant jobs (which are growing unabated), with the additional miscellaneous hiring of Census workers. Neither of those count as traditional private sector jobs. Thus, the news today of Unemployment rising to 9.9%! Obama & Co. made sure that all those Census hires were counted in job growth (the April numbers with the addition of 290,000 jobs, including 66,000 Census jobs) and the media should have called him on that; pretty disingenuous act in any event. Now they are all being let go. Late summer and into fall of 2010, economy will worsen and unemployment rate in November will likely approach 11%. If Obama wants to stem this bloodlust a massive tax cut is needed. But he's clueless in this regard.

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*How will this affect the midterm elections?

Obama's main effort on unemployment has been the Stimulus that failed miserably. Democrats will feel heat in November as likely 100 seats in the House change hands... of those 100, Republicans will likely pick up most of them. The Obama experiment has failed if one looks at economy. Incumbent Democrats will have hard time getting re-elected.

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My thinking was the economy would be in modest recovery by November, but that this would not be enough to stem the political tsunami the Democrats will face.

Obama's war against the private sector, his taxation of business, and his lack of tax cuts are all felt by the Mom & Pop small business sector that has yet to hire back the jobs it shed in 2008 (two million more people not in the labor force now than were a year or two ago). There is little recovery for small business and since this sector generates the lion's share of jobs, do not expect recovery by November 2010... it is at very least three years away...

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Now I'm starting to thinking the economy may be stagnating again as we speak. If unemployment is not below 9% in November, 2010 might look a lot like 1994.

Precisely... Be wary of Obama & Co. inflating their improvement efforts on unemployment situation by counting/double counting government civil servant jobs: they should not count at all in overall job growth due to their drain on taxes.
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Not for at least three years, if ever...


Two factors here; job growth is heavily slanted to government civil servant jobs (which are growing unabated), with the additional miscellaneous hiring of Census workers. Neither of those count as traditional private sector jobs. Thus, the news today of Unemployment rising to 9.9%! Obama & Co. made sure that all those Census hires were counted in job growth (the April numbers with the addition of 290,000 jobs, including 66,000 Census jobs) and the media should have called him on that; pretty disingenuous act in any event. Now they are all being let go. Late summer and into fall of 2010, economy will worsen and unemployment rate in November will likely approach 11%. If Obama wants to stem this bloodlust a massive tax cut is needed. But he's clueless in this regard.

I think most people won't read into the numbers. The thinking is: 6% good. 7% not good. 8 or more % and there are political consequences. Oh, and agreed...including the census workers is about as disingenuous as it gets.

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Obama's main effort on unemployment has been the Stimulus that failed miserably. Democrats will feel heat in November as likely 100 seats in the House change hands... of those 100, Republicans will likely pick up most of them. The Obama experiment has failed if one looks at economy. Incumbent Democrats will have hard time getting re-elected.

Agreed, and agreed. It's looking more like they lose Congress every day. We'll see. We still need toa see a unified message and good candidates from the GOP.

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Obama's war against the private sector, his taxation of business, and his lack of tax cuts are all felt by the Mom & Pop small business sector that has yet to hire back the jobs it shed in 2008 (two million more people not in the labor force now than were a year or two ago). There is little recovery for small business and since this sector generates the lion's share of jobs, do not expect recovery by November 2010... it is at very least three years away...

Or it may not happen at all if current policies hold. Where does the rebound come from? You mentioned taxation of businesses and the war against the private sector. It will be a miracle if the private sector actually recovers.

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Precisely... Be wary of Obama & Co. inflating their improvement efforts on unemployment situation by counting/double counting government civil servant jobs: they should not count at all in overall job growth due to their drain on taxes.

They've already done it. They proclaimed that "we saved the economy." Funny, first they said unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. When it did, they said "we underestimated...everyone got it wrong about how bad things were." Of course, this made no sense, since during the campaign they said we had the worst economy since the Great Depression. I guess it was worse than that! Anyway, they might have pulled it off had unemployment gone down to more reasonable 7-8%. But now it's going up. So much for "saving the economy."
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Debunking some of the claims made in this thread:

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U.S. nonfarm payrolls add 290,000 workers in April
Excluding Census, jobs increase 224,000


Excluding temporary Census workers, nonfarm jobs rose a seasonally adjusted 224,000, the Labor Department said Friday. The unemployment rate ticked up to 9.9% from 9.7% owing to a big increase in the labor force. Read the full report on the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Web site.

Nearly all of the job growth, minus Census workers, took place in the private sector. Government employment was basically flat.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-...dist=countdown
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Debunking some of the claims made in this thread

Citing an Obama advocacy web site (re: Labor) that outrageously claims: "Government employment was basically flat," does not help your point. We know government expansion during that period occurred in several departments.
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Citing an Obama advocacy web site (re: Labor) that outrageously claims: "Government employment was basically flat," does not help your point. We know government expansion during that period occurred in several departments.

HOW do we know this, exactly?

Are you accusing the Dept. of Labor of falsifying employment stats?

The quote "Government employment was basically flat," comes from pro-business Marketwatch, so... take it up with them.
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Are you accusing the Dept. of Labor of falsifying employment stats?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least; considering the identity of their boss. The federal government labor force has increased each month of Obama's presidency - it is now the nation's single largest employer. The Bureau doesn't account for this federal staff increase.

Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...turn-of-big-g/
The Obama administration says the government will grow to 2.15 million employees this year, topping 2 million for the first time since President Clinton declared that "the era of big government is over" and joined forces with a Republican-led Congress in the 1990s to pare back the federal work force.
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least; considering the identity of their boss. The federal government labor force has increased each month of Obama's presidency - it is now the nation's single largest employer. The Bureau doesn't account for this federal staff increase.

Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...turn-of-big-g/
The Obama administration says the government will grow to 2.15 million employees this year, topping 2 million for the first time since President Clinton declared that "the era of big government is over" and joined forces with a Republican-led Congress in the 1990s to pare back the federal work force.

Washington Times?


NONE of which contradicts the government report showing that Government employment was basically flat during the month of April.

That spin cycle getting you dizzy yet?
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Washington Times?


NONE of which contradicts the government report showing that Government employment was basically flat during the month of April.

That spin cycle getting you dizzy yet?

He's chop lickin' good!
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Citing an Obama advocacy web site (re: Labor) that outrageously claims: "Government employment was basically flat," does not help your point. We know government expansion during that period occurred in several departments.

ADP numbers were much lower, which indicates that almost all the job growth was in government jobs.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/adp...k=MW_news_stmp

Also - the seasonal adjustment is not working right, it is set up for normal times. April is the turning point where the seasonal adjustments make unemployment look worse than unadjusted, once the census people all finish up their work we are looking at a huge jump in the unemployment numbers this summer.
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We can bicker about where the "growth" was. The point is that unemployment is now officially 9.9%. At each turn, Obama's media allies have explained away such a high rate, saying it is going up because more people are looking. So you see, it's a good thing!

But what's "chop lickin' good" as one member here said is that when we had less than 6% unemployment during many of the Bush years, we were told how bad things actually were. I remember several members here...including jimmac and the apparently long-gone ShawnJ arguing that the numbers were artificially low because of discouraged job seekers who had just given up.

The fact of the matter is that unemployment is nearly double what it was during the Bush years, no matter what method one uses. This is bad, as is a rising rate.
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Latest unemployment news: More people working for the government (temporarily):

U.S. Added 431,000 Jobs in May, Mostly From Census:

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Employers added 431,000 nonfarm jobs nationwide in May, the biggest increase in a single month in a decade, the Labor Department said Friday. But the bulk of the growth was in government jobs, driven by hiring for the Census, and private-sector job growth was weak.

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The figures for May represented the fifth consecutive month that payrolls have risen, but fell below analysts’ expectations that 540,000 jobs would be added to the economy. Most of the private-sector gains were in manufacturing, but over all, the figures suggest that nongovernment hiring was weak.

Weak? Let's see what "weak" means, shall we:

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“These new data do not present a picture of a healthy private-sector growth, and nothing closely resembling the job growth needed to dig us out of our very deep hole,” Lawrence Mishel, the president of the Economic Policy Institute, said in a statement.

Altogether, 411,000 of the jobs added were for Census workers whose positions will disappear after the summer.

Yeah, 20,000 jobs is "weak." I'd dig into my thesaurus and pull out "pathetic" or "abysmal" or "nearly non-existent."

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“The fact that the unemployment rate ticked down is not really good news,” he added, “as the decline in unemployment was not a function of more jobs but a reflection of people leaving the work force.”


But, hey, the government is doing alright:

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Employment by all levels of government rose by 390,000 in May. Jobs with state and local governments, which are grappling with budget cuts and the prospect of job losses, decreased by 22,000 in May.

And, then, from an "analyst" who doesn't really know what he's talking about:

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Analysts said that the figures for May showed how important government spending has been in supporting the domestic economy.



I guess this is what we call a jobless "recovery." Since Bush was vilified in the press for his jobless "recovery" I wonder how Obama will be treated.

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...I wonder how Obama will be treated.

Specific to the last part of your post - Obama should be treated exactly as he has treated private industry!

The latest jobs report shows that job creation is up but not in the private sector - big surprise! Obama has routed our money to vastly expanding government in every direction. No surprise that government civil servant jobs are increasing while the private sector folds! At the same time Obama has castigated private enterprise and continued to penalize small business. While the recession could recover on its own, Obama's actions are preventing its recovery -- in short, he is doing everything to hurt America and its economy. The likely petroleum hikes this summer, fueled by BP's spill in the gulf, will force the economy to shed more jobs! The virus in our economy is in fact the federal government's hand in it. The lingering recession will continue until free market policies return.
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Specific to the last part of your post - Obama should be treated exactly as he has treated private industry!

The latest jobs report shows that job creation is up but not in the private sector - big surprise! Obama has routed our money to vastly expanding government in every direction. No surprise that government civil servant jobs are increasing while the private sector folds! At the same time Obama has castigated private enterprise and continued to penalize small business. While the recession could recover on its own, Obama's actions are preventing its recovery -- in short, he is doing everything to hurt America and its economy. The likely petroleum hikes this summer, fueled by BP's spill in the gulf, will force the economy to shed more jobs! The virus in our economy is in fact the federal government's hand in it. The lingering recession will continue until free market policies return.

Don't worry, he's already touting the small dip as great news, as he ignores all other measures of economic problems. The economy is still sputtering at best. Check out new home sales for a real wake-up call.
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But, on the lighter side, it seems people are drowning their sorrows with donuts.

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Obama administration continues to proudly show its cluelessness:

Obama’s Optimism Puzzles Investors Expecting Better Jobs Report:

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Obama, speaking June 2 in Pittsburgh, said that “after losing an average of 750,000 jobs a month during the winter of last year, we’ve now added jobs for five of the last six months, and we expect to see strong job growth in Friday’s report.”

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The Obama administration and Wall Street investors might have different perceptions of what makes for a strong jobs number, with the financial community focusing more on the private payroll figures, investors and analysts said.

No doubt that this a deep and profound difference in perspective. Barack Obama thinks that government jobs are like real jobs.


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“If you’re in a government role, where the optics of this is that 431,000 looks better than 290,000, then you’d characterize that as a great jobs report,” said Art Hogan, chief market analyst at New York-based Jefferies Group Inc. “Are they cognizant of what Wall Street estimates look like or are they just going by the headline number? That’s the disconnect. It’s all a matter of perception.”


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Vice President Joe Biden predicted on PBS television’s “Charlie Rose Show” on June 2 that the U.S. would create 100,000 to 200,000 jobs “on average all the way through this year, increasing it next year.”

You'd think that after a number of failed predictions, particularly in this area, this administration would stop making them, yet bad predications seem to beget even more bad predictions from this administration. These guys seem too dumb to just shut up.

And there it is:

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“No way should the president be commenting on the employment number ahead of time,” said John Silvia, chief economist at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in Charlotte, North Carolina. Silvia said it’s unlikely the president knows the jobs number beforehand, even if some investors might not agree.


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“I think everyone would suspect that if the president needs some piece of information, he has it, on just about everything,” Silvia said. Obama and Biden, and their advisers, “need to better understand what the private sector is looking at.”

Good luck with that. These are people, most of which, who have never worked in the private sector in any substantive way. Their mindset is deeply state-centric.

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Obama administration continues to proudly show its cluelessness:...These guys seem too dumb to just shut up...

The Obama Administration has become a joke -- even our neighbor a die-hard progressive -- has abandoned his support and last weekend removed his "Hope~N~Change" car bumper sticker! I predict Obama to be a synonym for massive failure in our lexicon!
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The Obama Administration has become a joke -- even our neighbor a die-hard progressive -- has abandoned his support and last weekend removed his "Hope~N~Change" car bumper sticker! I predict Obama to be a synonym for massive failure in our lexicon!

Obama 2012 = Carter 1980*


*I only hope the Republicans can put up someone decent who can turn this mess around. But I'm skeptical.

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Obama 2012 = Carter 1980*


*I only hope the Republicans can put up someone decent who can turn this mess around. But I'm skeptical.

MJ1970 Says : " If I keep saying it maybe it'll come true! "

From CNN about the midterms an unscientific poll :
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Which party will control Congress after the 2010 midterm elections?
This is not a scientific poll
Democrats49%9644
Republicans33%6444
They'll split the House and Senate19%3698
Total votes: 19786
This is not a scientific poll

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MJ1970 Says : " If I keep saying it maybe it'll come true! "

Put words in your own mouth sweetheart, not mine.

Frankly, that sentiment sounds exactly like what Obama-pologists are doing in regard to Obama's policies actually producing any real economic growth or reducing unemployment, or closing Guantanamo, or getting out of Iraq, or ending any of the wars, or not starting new wars, or ObamaCare not being a complete disaster, or Obama not raising taxes...on everyone, or the idea that a $1.8T deficit is more fiscally responsible that $400B deficits, or that Obama actually knows what he's talking about and isn't just a dunce who sounds eloquent.

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post #21 of 54
Recession = when your neighbor is out of a job

Depression = when you are out of a job

Recovery = when Obama is out of a job

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Recession = when your neighbor is out of a job

Depression = when you are out of a job

Recovery = when Obama is out of a job

This goes way beyond Obama at this point. Congress is entirely complicit in the fiscal policy that is allowed to go on. That last line should read:

Recovery = when all the current administration (Congress Included) is out of a job
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This goes way beyond Obama at this point. Congress is entirely complicit in the fiscal policy that is allowed to go on. That last line should read:

Recovery = when all the current administration (Congress Included) is out of a job

Indeed. I used Obama for the sake of the punchline, but it is apparent that our current leadership is out of touch with Americans and with reality.

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Updated title: Unemployment dips due to hundreds of thousands of people giving up their search. US loses 125,000 jobs in June...worse than estimates.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38054214
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Unemployment rate unchanged. And that's the good news (aka Least Bad News):

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Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended and private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

The Labor Departments monthly employment report, released Friday, shows U.S. employers cut a larger-than-expected 131,000 jobs last month as the nations jobless rate held steady at 9.5 percent.

The good news here is we are not falling off a cliff; were getting job growth, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moodys Economy.com, told CNBC. But obviously this is not enough. If we dont see better job growth later this year and next the recovery is in jeopardy.

The July jobs data also show private employers, who account for the bulk of jobs in the country, added 71,000 jobs last month after adding 31,000 in June, but 143,000 government workers were lost during the month.

In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling by 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing by 90,000.

High unemployment is often cited as the single most important component slowing an economic recovery. A lack of hiring has kept people concerned about their jobs, which in turn leads them to cut down their spending. A drop in consumer spending has helped lead to a slowdown in growth over the past few months.

Recent economic data have pointed to a slowdown in economic growth, and investors are unsure just how much more the recovery will weaken. A disappointing employment report will probably add to fears that the recovery will worsen during the second half of the year.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.

Job growth has taken a step back after fairly strong gains between February and April, putting in jeopardy the economy's recovery from its worst downturn since the 1930s.

Growing unease over the health of the economy is weighing on President Barack Obama's popularity and hurting the Democratic Party's prospects of keeping control of Congress in November's mid-term elections.

The state of the labor market is one of the factors that will determine the timing of the Federal Reserve's first interest rate rise since reducing overnight lending rates to near zero in December 2008.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has said the U.S. central bank could take steps to further ease monetary policy if the recovery were to falter. The central bank holds its next policy-setting meeting on Tuesday.

Economic growth slowed to a 2.4 percent annual rate in the second quarter after expanding at a 3.7 percent pace in the first three months of this year.

Despite the tepid private sector jobs growth, the pace of layoffs has moderated significantly from the first quarter of last year, when employers were culling an average of 752,000 jobs a month.

Last month, the dominant service sector added 38,000 jobs after June's 34,000 gain. More disturbing, temporary help services, seen as a harbinger of future permanent hiring, fell 5,600 after increasing 11,200.

State and local governments, struggling with huge budget deficits, purged more workers last month, pushing government payrolls down by 202,000 compared to a 252,000 drop in June.

Payrolls in the goods-producing sector unexpectedly rose in July, reversing the prior month's decline as manufacturing employment was boosted by auto makers who did not shut down their plants in July for retooling. Manufacturing jobs increased 36,000 after gaining 13,000 in June.

The sector is leading the economic recovery, which started in the second half of 2009. However, construction employment fell 11,000.

The average workweek edged up to 34.2 hours after slipping to 34.1 hours in June.

Employers normally increase working hours for existing staff before hiring additional workers.


Again a mix of good and bad news, but starting to lean toward more bad news than good news. Perhaps Sir Obama and his minions will bless us with more "stimulus" in the future considering how well the last one worked. \

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Again a mix of good and bad news, but starting to lean toward more bad news than good news. Perhaps Sir Obama and his minions will bless us with more "stimulus" in the future considering how well the last one worked. \



Several ominous signs on the economic horizon: (1) rollback of Bush tax cuts; (2) key elements of corporate health care compliance upcoming signal greater job cuts; (3) continued lack of small business loans from banks; (4) financial overhaul forcing investment concerns on Wall Street to shed staff. So if you like 9.5% unemployment now you'll love 12.5% by Christmas! I note yet another Obama Economic Advisor (Titantic Navigation Staff) has quit (Christina Romer) so expect some stellar economic guidance for the nation in the months ahead!!!
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trumptman just stole the Obama supporters' thunder...

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I guess this is why she has a PhD in economics

Can you imagine Christina Romer (who just quit the Administration) or Budget Director Peter Orszag (who quit a month ago), applying for a private sector job? We ruined the nation's financial apparatus... is that a good resume addition?

Related:

Romer's Departure Raises Questions And Concerns About White House's Economic Team!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_673586.html

Yeah I'd say it raises questions on team... chiefly whether they have one!
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Is it working yet?

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Is it working yet?

Well...FIRST LADY'S $375,000 VACATION might help economy..... of Spain!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...h-holiday.html
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Old Obama and his apologists have their own view of reality. It's time for him to go back and be a community orgainizer.
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Old Obama and his apologists have their own view of reality. It's time for him to go back and be a community orgainizer.

And it's time for the Tea Baggers to go back under their rock.
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And it's time for the Tea Baggers to go back under their rock.

It's comments like this that lead me to believe you are not as "independent" and open-minded as you claim to be.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

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Well...FIRST LADY'S $375,000 VACATION might help economy..... of Spain!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...h-holiday.html

Glad to see our tax dollars are being put to good use.

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It's comments like this that lead me to believe you are not as "independent" and open-minded as you claim to be.

I've heard what they're about and what they have to say. Open minded to a group that's the poster child for the closed minded? That's rich!

Please tell me you think they're not nuts and a real viable party so I can totally lose respect for you.
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Originally Posted by jimmac View Post

I've heard what they're about and what they have to say. Open minded to a group that's the poster child for the closed minded? That's rich!

Please tell me you think they're not nuts and a real viable party so I can totally lose respect for you.

You've been reading too much HuffPo and watching too much MSNBC.

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You've been reading too much HuffPo and watching too much MSNBC.

And what pray tell have you been reading?
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