Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Here, I disagree! I think we have, all-of-a-sudden, reached a point where everyone wakes up and says: "Of course! That's the way it it is supposed to be".
The battle of the techies is over... millions of users, who could care less "how"... will buy "what".
The guy who buys a minivan and demurs on the $1500 entertainment package to buy 2 iPads that do more (and pockets $500). This is happening today!
Grandma/Grandpa, who forget more than we'll ever know, now have something that does what they want it to do-- their way! This is happening today!
The salesman of anything, who really understands his products and customers... but this computer thingie comes between them and muddies the water.... Now, he can "strut his stuff" and the customer can enjoy the show. This is happening today!
The battle never was about Flash, Silverlight, OS X, Windows, CP/M, CoBOL...
It's enabling the end user, stupid! (not you in particular, but all of us).
If you want to see what enablement is all about:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50L44hEtVos
Sure, and there lies the success of apple, having risen from pretty much near obsolescence. I continue to enjoy the mac platform, but don't kid yourself, it may seem like we're the only ones on the block and rah rah we're victorious, windows still owns 90% and even though their mobile platform sucked so hard it wasn't funny, they still managed to have decent numbers. I attended the last major mobile developers conference about almost a year ago. apple wasn't even there, the excitement was at apple, blackberry, nokia and google. The poor guy at the microsoft table wasn't getting any love at all.
However, a look at the recent growth numbers, shows 2 platforms growing currently. iphone, and android. Guess which is growing fastest? nope, Android. Yes indeed, I will tell you this is FAR from over, and calling this at this stage of the game, is very short sighted, trust me. I can guarantee you, Mr. Jobs isn't considering this a done deal by any means at all. I bet he sees this, as very much emerging. Didn't apple have the wind in it's sails, and a vastly superior platform the last time? I recall many mac users telling me then, it was over. I'd say, that's a mistake not to make again.
The major players will be apple, google, nokia, and microsoft. My opinion. I think act II is on it's way... I really do.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
No, I mean more than that... Something like: "Let Adobe help you migrate your [web] technology to the latest standard" "Flash to HTML5" go to where your customers will be... be ready when they arrive!
It isn't the latest "standard" though. It's "proposed". As I said, it won't reach candidate status until 2012.I know flash haters are desperate to have this a standard NOW and come on baby let's soot us some flash guys!, but back to the reality of things... I don't know why people aren't wise to this. Yes general features we surmise will be a part of the official standard years down the road are being utilized, and supported, but let's face it we're all tired of html4, ajax etc., we want the next level, NOW. The next couple years, -will- be about technologies becoming standards , and in the case of flash, finding if it can still remain relevant in the new spaces. I still say, calling things now, is far, far too early.
Originally Posted by solipsism
Jesus H! Your very post to TenoBell was filled with smarmy comments including "...until Steve Jobs wants you
to believe it..." Now you're the victim?
Well it's true. Any developer I have spoken to, all agree Steve Job's comments were not wholly accurate. I suppose it depends on where you sit on how you personally want things to play out. I openly admit, I like flash, have developed in it for well over 10 years (since flash 3), and would be sad to see a great development platform go down because it wasn't kept current enough. I don't have any control over adobe, I nearly gave up a year ago after watching them sit on their hands, but after what I've seen at recent conferences, I have reason to believe they may be, very much still in the game. I think if you hate flash though, that's not what you want to hear.
But I can post links, share what I see firsthand and what I know as a developer all I like, but it won't make a lick of difference if all I'm faced with are outdated links, links to tablets trying to play an outdated desktop version of flash, and a barrage of half truths no one has the energy to try and dispel.
There is no doubt apple will play a serious role in the emerging platforms, but I think it's too early to call as I said. There are seriously deep pockets that want in the new platforms, and aren't about to concede to apple by any means, and SJ knows it. However, SJ will only be around for so long, unfortunately, and as well are aware of, any of these companies need a strong visionary to keep the pace. Have a look at what's transpired over at microsoft with monkey boy at the helm...