Originally Posted by TenoBell
Are you even reading what I'm writing. In my list of companies that are supporting HTML5, I said "even Adobe itself".
Its different because things are changing. Steve Jobs focus is not on Flash itself, Jobs focus is on how everything is changing and Flash does not suit the new environment.
Flash worked perfectly fine as long as most of the computer industry was using desktops with ample system resources and plugged into unlimited power supplies.
The industry is shifting to mobile devices that have extremely limited system resources and extremely limited power supplies. These devices require lightweight and energy efficient software. Flash ain't it.
- Seeing as every mobile platform does or soon will fully support HTML5 and no phone currently fully run Flash.
- Every major website is developing a "Flashless" version with pure H.264 video delivery.
- Adobe keeps pushing back Flash for the mobile device.
- We are seeing how it plays out.
I did read what you posted, and you posted Adobe against everybody else. It simply, isn't true. Period.
As stated, adobe is behind on developing a player for mobile. Their player currently, isn't because of obvious reasons (though flash lite is on some already), soI'm not sure exactly what you are arguing about
I'm trying to point out the spouting nonsense, and the fact that certain opinions seem to tell the whole storey. If you want to speak authoritatively on the subject, it's good to look at the whole storey and scope out what's happening on both sides.
Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
If we are talking about truth, then it needs to be pointed out that you are spinning it fairly hard here.
Yes, it's technically true that Adobe is part of the team working very hard on HTML5, but you fail to mention that they are at the same time, working to push the HTML5 group away from using or developing the "Canvas" element which is the part of HTML5 that would basically replace Flash animations on the web
"Adobe is working hard on making sure that Flash animations don't get replaced by HTML5's Canvas element." (and thus make the Flash plugin obsolete), would be the closest to a true and accurate statement.
Nonsense. Just because someone reported it as some kind of fact, doesn't make it so. Oh wait, look at! Flash CS5 exports to html canvas? Say it ain't so...
oh. Here, read.http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02...ing_html5.html
Addendum: Here are some comments from an HTML WG member, Shelley Powers, who is not affiliated with Adobe:
I'm a member of the HTML WG, but I'm not speaking for the HTML WG, or W3C. I'm only expressing my opinion, and what I know to be facts. I'm also not an employee of Google, Adobe, Apple, Microsoft, or any other company (I'm a writer, for O'Reilly).
There is no truth to this rumor. The posting here is inaccurate. Grossly inaccurate I would add.
This was an issue that has been under discussion, off and on, on the publicly accessible HTML WG for months. It has to do with scope and charter, not the specifications themselves. The Adobe representative to the HTML WG registered his concerns about the fact that the HTML WG is working on specifications that push, or exceed the group's charter. This includes Microdata, RDFa-in-HTML, and the 2D Canvas API.
Adobe is not blocking any specification. There are dozens of issues that are "blocking" HTML5, if you want to use that term, of which I'm responsible for many at this time. Technically the HTML5 specification can't advance to Last Call status until these issues are resolved. However, the W3C management can override my issues, and the issues of any individual or company. No one company can block the advancement of any specification without the concurrence of the W3C leadership.
All of these issues are based on improving all of the specifications, including HTML5 and Canvas. it's unfortunate that the HTML5 editor, who is also the Google representative to the HTML WG introduced such wild, and unfounded speculation, causing harm not only to the Adobe representative, but distracting all of us from the work of finishing the HTML5 and other specifications.
I would hope that people would seek to get confirmation before posting unfounded accusations.
The spewing is tiresome.
No one has a crystal ball. I don't know where any of these technologies will go. I suspect it will take far more than Steve Jobs to kill flash though. It's possible, and as I said, a lot rests on adobe's ability to deliver, and soon.
Floppy disks were dead long before Mr. Jobs said so. It was a good call. You can't compare a legacy technology just about dead with something that currently holds 97% of users still, regardless of how much you dislike flash.