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post #1 of 92
5/8/10 at 10:08am
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Developers familiar with the iPhone 4.0 beta report that the new firmware brings spellcheck and suggested word replacement features from the iPad to the iPhone and iPod touch.

The new features first premiered on the iPhone OS 3.2 used exclusively by iPad, but when iPhone OS 4 hits this summer, it will extend the new features across Apple's range of mobile devices.

The spelling system extends the mechanism Apple created for copy and paste operations, enabling users to touch a misspelled word to select it, and then touch "Replace" as an alternative to cut or copy operations.

The system then offers replacement word suggestions in blue type, allowing for one touch correction. Misspelled text is underlined in red, a convention from Mac OS X's system wide spell check that was originally taken from Microsoft Word.

Apple has also announced that iPhone OS 4 will bring iPad's Bluetooth keyboard support to the iPhone and iPod touch. For more information on the text features that debuted with iPad, see AppleInsider's In-depth review: iPad and iPhone OS 3.2.

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post #2 of 92
5/8/10 at 10:28am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this has been included since Beta 1, but with Beta 3 it got the familiar blue text to differentiate it.

Beta 1 was surprisingly stable, Beta 2 was surprisingly unstable, and Beta 3 is working out very well. While I don't think Apple would move up any release timeframe because of Gizmodo's unceremonious reveal of the iPhone HD I do wonder if the rumour of its release during WWDC might, in fact, be possible. I believe v2.0 had 7 Betas and v3.0 had 5 Betas before going Gold. At Beta 3, v4.0 is much farther ahead than I recall the other Betas at this point in the game.
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post #3 of 92
5/8/10 at 11:03am
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Developers familiar with the iPhone 4.0 beta report that the new firmware brings spellcheck and suggested word replacement features from the iPad to the iPhone and iPod touch. ...

Two comments:
  • The pictures don't do a very good job of explaining what's going on.
  • This will be a big disaster outside of the USA until Apple introduces an English dictionary for the iDevices.

I don't write American, I write using English. Having the squiggly red underlines is annoying if all the suggestions are going to be incorrect.

Apple needs to get the finger out and put UK English, Canadian English, Canadian French etc. dictionaries into the iDevices.
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post #4 of 92
5/8/10 at 11:17am
This was listed among the features from the very first beta of 4.0 a month ago. Good to see AI is up to date. :s
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post #5 of 92
5/8/10 at 11:33am
What does this add to the spell-check and word-replacement that iPhones have always had? Is this just for times when you didnt accept the spelling suggestion the first time, but should have, and want to go back and have another shot at checking your document?

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post #6 of 92
5/8/10 at 11:54am
Anyone else here not like the blue text? It seems a but unclear with the black background.. red would make more sense to correspond with the underline or green to contrast it conveying a correct suggestion.

On the other hand, I could just be going mad..
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post #7 of 92
5/8/10 at 11:57am
The upper right picture - Is the OS offering phrase completion suggestions? I don't see any letter(s) below the three suggestions.
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post #8 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Two comments:
  • The pictures don't do a very good job of explaining what's going on.
  • This will be a big disaster outside of the USA until Apple introduces an English dictionary for the iDevices.

I don't write American, I write using English. Having the squiggly red underlines is annoying if all the suggestions are going to be incorrect.

Apple needs to get the finger out and put UK English, Canadian English, Canadian French etc. dictionaries into the iDevices.

File a request with Radar. Localization requests usually aren't going to get processed and added to the software in a social forum.
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post #9 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Two comments:
  • The pictures don't do a very good job of explaining what's going on.
  • This will be a big disaster outside of the USA until Apple introduces an English dictionary for the iDevices.

I don't write American, I write using English. Having the squiggly red underlines is annoying if all the suggestions are going to be incorrect.

Apple needs to get the finger out and put UK English, Canadian English, Canadian French etc. dictionaries into the iDevices.

OK...

You are using an American computer, not a computeur.
Welcome to the 20th century, we've evolved past the linguistic quirks of the 19th Century.
You can start dropping those extraneous vowels, medieval spellings and butchered hick pronunciations. Since the collapse of the British Empire, even more modern offshoot dialects have evolved like the cowboy, aussie and kiwi. However we still don't let Garth Brooks have a special computer that types y'all instead of you. English accent and pronunciation has never been static throughout history, why start dragging your feet now?

Maybe it's time for all the fringe English dialects to stop confusing the matter out of cultural bias / fear of evolution and make a slight effort towards making communication easier. I mean we let you have the computers, the least y'all can do is edit a few stray letters to try & stay current.
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post #10 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:30pm
What, spell bolour with a K? Kolour. What a silly bunt.
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post #11 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:30pm
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OK...

You are using an American computer, not a computeur.
Welcome to the 20th century, we've evolved past the linguistic quirks of the 19th Century.

Sometimes computers are designed to conform to the user, rather than requiring the user to conform to the device (or to the wishes of forum trolls). Im not saying Apple designs that way, nor that its one of their strengths just that sometimes it happens

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post #12 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:35pm
I first read about this on April 9 on MacDaddyNews, http://www.macdaddynews.com/?p=2252

Is there anything actually new about this, or is AppleInsider just giving us old news on a slow news day?
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post #13 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:45pm
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OK...

You are using an American computer, not a computeur.
Welcome to the 20th century, we've evolved past the linguistic quirks of the 19th Century.
You can start dropping those extraneous vowels, medieval spellings and butchered hick pronunciations. Since the collapse of the British Empire, even more modern offshoot dialects have evolved like the cowboy, aussie and kiwi. However we still don't let Garth Brooks have a special computer that types y'all instead of you. English accent and pronunciation has never been static throughout history, why start dragging your feet now?

Maybe it's time for all the fringe English dialects to stop confusing the matter out of cultural bias / fear of evolution and make a slight effort towards making communication easier. I mean we let you have the computers, the least y'all can do is edit a few stray letters to try & stay current.

In what context is non-American English "fringe". I guarantee you that the iPhone supports many languages that have less users than Britih English does. His request srems quite sensible, he's not asking for Old English or Latin.
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post #14 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:48pm
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Maybe it's time for all the fringe English dialects to stop confusing the matter out of cultural bias / fear of evolution and make a slight effort towards making communication easier. I mean we let you have the computers, the least y'all can do is edit a few stray letters to try & stay current.

Are you saying that British English is a "fringe English dialect"?
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post #15 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:54pm
I just hope they fix the weird spell-check behavior that is the current one.
I hate that it corrects even though I don't want to.

Tap to change, not keep writing to change.
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post #16 of 92
5/8/10 at 12:55pm
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I first read about this on April 9 on MacDaddyNews, http://www.macdaddynews.com/?p=2252

Is there anything actually new about this, or is AppleInsider just giving us old news on a slow news day?

The answer is "yes".

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post #17 of 92
5/8/10 at 1:15pm
I'm trying to figure out why the four sample images show someone trying to spell in French using the English keyboard. (There's no globe icon next to the space bar is how I know.)
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post #18 of 92
5/8/10 at 1:33pm
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The system then offers replacement word suggestions in blue type, allowing for one touch correction. Misspelled text is underlined in red, a convention from Mac OS X's system wide spell check that was originally taken from Microsoft Word.

I smell a lawsuit
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post #19 of 92
5/8/10 at 1:46pm
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I smell a lawsuit

i think its fair, apple copies a red underline and MS gets to copy the whole OS gui
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post #20 of 92
5/8/10 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

OK...

You are using an American computer, not a computeur.
Welcome to the 20th century, we've evolved past the linguistic quirks of the 19th Century.
You can start dropping those extraneous vowels, medieval spellings and butchered hick pronunciations. Since the collapse of the British Empire, even more modern offshoot dialects have evolved like the cowboy, aussie and kiwi. However we still don't let Garth Brooks have a special computer that types y'all instead of you. English accent and pronunciation has never been static throughout history, why start dragging your feet now?

Maybe it's time for all the fringe English dialects to stop confusing the matter out of cultural bias / fear of evolution and make a slight effort towards making communication easier. I mean we let you have the computers, the least y'all can do is edit a few stray letters to try & stay current.

Wow, what a completely offensive and unnecessary response.

No content, several lies, a personal attack, an attack on an entire country and a couple of bigoted remarks all in one post.
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post #21 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:10pm
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Wow, what a completely offensive and unnecessary response.

No content, several lies, a personal attack, an attack on an entire country and a couple of bigoted remarks all in one post.

I thought it was well-poked bit of fun at the implication that British English is the "real" language and everything else is a dialect.
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post #22 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:19pm
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I just hope they fix the weird spell-check behavior that is the current one.
I hate that it corrects even though I don't want to.

Tap to change, not keep writing to change.

Agreed. The current implementation is a bit irritating.
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post #23 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Wow, what a completely offensive and unnecessary response.

No content, several lies, a personal attack, an attack on an entire country and a couple of bigoted remarks all in one post.

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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

I thought it was well-poked bit of fun at the implication that British English is the "real" language and everything else is a dialect.

Me too...

I guess sense of humo(u)r varies from English dialect to English dialect.......
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post #24 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:25pm
with news this old, AppleInsider should change their name to AppleOutsider. hahaha, i know, it was pretty lame :-)
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post #25 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Me too...

I guess sense of humo(u)r varies from English dialect to English dialect.......

The should make a dictionary that accepts every dialect. Of course, it wouldn't be much use when a person in the US mis-spells color as "colour" and doesn't get autocorrected, though.
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post #26 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:42pm
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Agreed. The current implementation is a bit irritating.

iPhone or iPad implementation?

I quite like the error correction on the phone...
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post #27 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:47pm
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iPhone or iPad implementation?

I quite like the error correction on the phone...

iPad, sorry.
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post #28 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:50pm
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I first read about this on April 9 on MacDaddyNews, http://www.macdaddynews.com/?p=2252

Is there anything actually new about this, or is AppleInsider just giving us old news on a slow news day?

Seeing as I only have time to keep up with one rumor site, I was pleased to see this "news."

Better late than never for me! Especially news this good. Lack of spell check is my biggest complaint with the phone...
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post #29 of 92
5/8/10 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Two comments:
  • The pictures don't do a very good job of explaining what's going on.
  • This will be a big disaster outside of the USA until Apple introduces an English dictionary for the iDevices.

I don't write American, I write using English. Having the squiggly red underlines is annoying if all the suggestions are going to be incorrect.

Apple needs to get the finger out and put UK English, Canadian English, Canadian French etc. dictionaries into the iDevices.

canadian english? okay...then you forgot australian and jamaican english then
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post #30 of 92
5/8/10 at 3:04pm
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The should make a dictionary that accepts every dialect. Of course, it wouldn't be much use when a person in the US mis-spells color as "colour" and doesn't get autocorrected, though.

Apple just needs to add the words to the autocorrection dictionary - easy to do. BUT, currently, on the iPhone if you type something like "colour" a few times, it stops suggesting replacements. Also, the iPhone remembers capitalized/proper nouns and will autocomplete them even when you don't start the word off with a capital letter - once you've typed it a few times as capitalized.
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post #31 of 92
5/8/10 at 3:07pm
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iPad, sorry.

Thanks. I was getting confused between the (greatly anticipated) iPhone 4.0 and the (I so wish I had one of my own) iPad. So much technolust I was having trouble focusing...
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post #32 of 92
5/8/10 at 3:53pm
Its called Patois (patwa).

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........and jamaican english then
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post #33 of 92
5/8/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

OK...

You are using an American computer, not a computeur.
Welcome to the 20th century, we've evolved past the linguistic quirks of the 19th Century.
You can start dropping those extraneous vowels, medieval spellings and butchered hick pronunciations. Since the collapse of the British Empire, even more modern offshoot dialects have evolved like the cowboy, aussie and kiwi. However we still don't let Garth Brooks have a special computer that types y'all instead of you. English accent and pronunciation has never been static throughout history, why start dragging your feet now?

Maybe it's time for all the fringe English dialects to stop confusing the matter out of cultural bias / fear of evolution and make a slight effort towards making communication easier. I mean we let you have the computers, the least y'all can do is edit a few stray letters to try & stay current.

Actually, if you take colour [correct spelling] it makes sense seeing as the phonetic sound of the word ends with an urrr and not orrrr.

If you're saying, Kuh-Lor instead of Kuh-Lur then your dialect has it wrong.

There is a reason words are written ei and ie and no they aren't interchangeable and should not be pronounced the same, though idiots abound by stating Neither as NEETHER when it's NYTHER. Sieve is pronounced SEEVE, not SYVE.

But then again, up here in the Pacific Northwest our accent is very clean and we don't say WARSHINGTON, but WAHSHINGTON.
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post #34 of 92
5/8/10 at 4:03pm
OK, you've had your fun, but can we stop with the British English thing, and the UK English thing? That would be English. Just English. From England, hence the name. Now I'm fine with you guys thinking it's weird to spell colour differently than you, and to use a z where we use an s, but let's be straight, it's not being pedantic to say that here in the UK, we use English, and you guys use American English (or Canadian if you like, or whatever). It's not the other way round.

I've no problem with them being different, but I have a few issues with our version of spelling being punted as the quirky unusual one.

Reminds me of an argument I have with worrying regularity about milk... There's no such thing as full fat milk, there's milk, then there's the ones that have been fiddled with, semi-skimmed, skimmed etc. Full fat milk is just milk, it doesn't need the full fat appellation.
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post #35 of 92
5/8/10 at 4:29pm
I can't see the need for a bluetooth keyboard with an iPhone or iPod Touch. I guess if that's your only computing device then sure.

It is strange that they are just coming out with spellcheck. My Blackberry has had this for email since day one, but not system wide like Apple is doing. Apple tries not to do things half-way which is good but takes forever for us users to get and appreciate.

I suppose it won't be until iPhone 5.0 that a Thesaurus will come built-in. I believe Snow Leopard (correct me if I'm wrong) was the first OSX version to include that in the dictionary app and system wide.
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post #36 of 92
5/8/10 at 4:56pm
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Are you saying that British English is a "fringe English dialect"?

Yup. Ever since we saved your asses in dubya dubya two.
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post #37 of 92
5/8/10 at 4:59pm
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i think its fair, apple copies a red underline and MS gets to copy the whole OS gui



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5/8/10 at 5:00pm
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canadian english? okay...then you forgot australian and jamaican english then

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post #39 of 92
5/8/10 at 5:14pm
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Me too...

I guess sense of humo(u)r varies from English dialect to English dialect.......

So they say in MacRumo(u)rs
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post #40 of 92
5/8/10 at 5:26pm
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It is strange that they are just coming out with spellcheck. My Blackberry has had this for email since day one, but not system wide like Apple is doing. Apple tries not to do things half-way which is good but takes forever for us users to get and appreciate.

I suppose it won't be until iPhone 5.0 that a Thesaurus will come built-in. I believe Snow Leopard (correct me if I'm wrong) was the first OSX version to include that in the dictionary app and system wide.

They do have spellcheck. It is the implementation that's different i.e. rather than the current single word suggestion at the bottom (blue text on a white background bubble), the news suggest the coming version will make suggestion of multiple words and with black background bubble and blue text much like the way the 'cut/copy/paste' bubble is currently presented.

Also, no point being the first if it ended up suck.
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