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Time for Apple to get on more than the worst network in the United States.

PLEASE be right about that!
post #42 of 279
Doesn't the title say it all... Android Phones (plural) outsell the Apple iPhone (singular)... No point in even reading the article - as I did not. Why doesn't Car and Driver say, "All GM cars outsell the Honda Accord."
post #43 of 279
This isn't surprising at all. The iPhone 3GS is practically at the end of the product lifecycle and given the recent leakage of the next generation iPhone, that just boosts the effect seen here in these charts. It logically doesn't make sense for anyone to purchase a 3GS with the new iPhone just around the corner. It defies common sense...
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Doesn't the title say it all... Android Phones (plural) outsell the Apple iPhone (singular)... No point in even reading the article - as I did not. Why doesn't Car and Driver say, "All GM cars outsell the Honda Accord."

A poor analogy, considering the oil companies don't have produce different types of gasoline for different brands of car; the biggest market of phones running the same OS will get the most developer attention in the end.
post #45 of 279
Baloney.
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Originally Posted by Soskok View Post

iPhone OS would be open for use by other phone manufacturers Droid would not exist.

A common but mistaken notion. Google is essentially paying handset manufacturers to build Android phones, so the idea that licensing iPhone OS would somehow mean they would all pay for that rather than have Google pay them to build Android phones doesn't make a lot of sense.
post #47 of 279
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

I´ve mentioned a while ago that Apple needed to diversify it´s iPhone line like they did with the iPod.

Three versions,

1: Flip

2: Regular iPhone

3: Larger iPhone with more features, storage and connectivity

4: Buy outright and pay as you go options.

5: More carriers

Oh well, I think Steve is just grooming Apple for purchase/merger to Google anyway.


Why so they can join the race to the bottom,

The only way more Android phones were sold was to give them away, gee we saw this strategy before it faied and almost took out Motorola in the process. All this does is devalue the phone and people expect it for free.

What you will see with Android is people will drop the extra service since they could not afford the phone in the first place.

Apple is only going after that people who can afford to pay for the phone and pay for all the services that come along with it.

BTW even Motorola is not doing any new flip phones and they were the originator of that idea (grant it the idea was taken from Star Track) has abandon the idea these days
post #48 of 279
Verizon needs the iPhone more than the iPhone needs Verizon.

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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

Apple should quit limiting their sales world to ATT if they want those numbers to change in their favor.
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Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert View Post

yeah thats why. it doesnt have anything to do with people being sick of apples crap and the newest android phones being miles better at the same price point. couldn't be that.

No, It could not be that. Nice fantasy though.
post #50 of 279
You have to have two lines that are eligible for a two year upgrade to get the buy one get one.

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Originally Posted by ezduzit View Post

it would be interesting to know, how many people who receive a free phone then sign up for service for that phone and make a 2 year (guess) contract with the provider?

there may be lots of unused free phones sitting in the dust bins.
post #51 of 279
Good luck with that. Your phone may have the functionality and OS version needed to run any particular app. No one Android phone is the same.

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I will be dumping my iPhone and getting an Android device - the reason I have more control over what apps I can run - my choice
post #52 of 279
An entirely different business model. With entirely different pros and cons. Because Droid is open source its apps store will never equal the iPhone's.

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iPhone OS would be open for use by other phone manufacturers Droid would not exist.
post #53 of 279
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Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

and so history repeats itself. Apple has always said it would rather design and build a better device than be number 1 seller.

I will be dumping my iPhone and getting an Android device - the reason I have more control over what apps I can run - my choice

how does substantially less apps mean more apps?

The reason Android has surpassed iPhone in unit sales is it's available on more carriers. Apple needs to get on Verizon this year and get Verizon's marketing working for them instead of against them.
post #54 of 279
They are only looking at smartphones. That excludes the iPod Touch and iPad.

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Originally Posted by zindako View Post

Are they taking into account iPhone OS running on iPads recently? that device will only serve to boost iPhone OS market share that should eclipse the Android OS.
post #55 of 279
In other news, Firefox downloads outnumber Mac sales...
post #56 of 279
"Sales of the Droid, Droid Eris and BlackBerry Curve helped kept Verizon..."

??? Come on guys! Very unprofessional! You need to proofread.
post #57 of 279
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Verizon needs the iPhone more than the iPhone needs Verizon.

True. I can't begin to tell you how many Verizon users I know that can't wait for the iPhone to come to their carrier.

I realize that's not a valid sampling, but there most be a lot of folks on Verizon wanting the iPhone.
post #58 of 279
I don't find the numbers all that surprising, but I still don't see them around in the Bay area. All my friends have iphones, and a few have blackberries and dumbphones.
post #59 of 279
iPhone makes more money than all the Android phones put together. Apple isn't concerned about unit sales. They are more concerned about providing the best end user experience.

I don't know Verizon's marketing may be helping to sell more iPhones.

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The reason Android has surpassed iPhone in unit sales is it's available on more carriers. Apple needs to get on Verizon this year and get Verizon's marketing working for them instead of against them.
post #60 of 279
On one hand, congratulations to google on its success.

On the other, the current iPhone is at the end of its lifecycle and both AT&T's service and the U.S. GSM network are beyond terrible. One could make an argument for getting second best to get Verizon's more expansive network.
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Originally Posted by etslee View Post

I don't find the numbers all that surprising, but I still don't see them around in the Bay area. All my friends have iphones, and a few have blackberries and dumbphones.

When my girlfriend flew out to see me in February (I'm in the DC area), she was pointing out to me all the people who were using iPhone. Frankly, it surprised and shocked me at how prevalent the iPhone is in my neck of the woods.
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

On one hand, congratulations to google on its success.

On the other, the current iPhone is at the end of its lifecycle and the U.S. GSM network is beyond terrible.

Well, I live in Maryland and AT&T's service is fantastic for me here...
post #63 of 279
Exactly....if you JB the iPhone then you have all the control you could ever want. Plus it so easy my 11 year old so did it to his touch..... without my help.....
Also it is not a bad thing to have another handset or phone out sell the iphone..... It will give Apple more incentive to improve and develop the iPhone. Sales are slow right now as EVERYONE is waiting for the new iPhone in June.....


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Because the Spirit jailbreak is hard...

The only people that genuinely feel restricted by the platform are also capable of jailbreaking their iPhone so I find it hard to believe that many people actually switch for this reason.

In other news, this advantage will be short lived. I do expect Android devices to consistently outsell iPhone OS devices at some point, but the new iPhone will still blow away Android sales when it launches.

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post #64 of 279
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This part is important not to forget though.

Surveys are not a good source of sales figures. This whole thing is based on those "How many devices based on Android did you buy this year?" kind of questions. People lie on those things. A lot.

Particularly if the survey is self-selecting.

Who's more likely to answer a survey about Android cell phones? A geek who went out of his way to research and choose an Android phone or the average iPhone user? Obviously, the former.

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So when are the DOJ and FTC going to duke it out over which one will go after Google and its monoply?

Good point. Maybe this survey, even though it's worthless, will put to rest those "DOJ and FTC are going to sue Apple for illegal monopoly behavior" rumors.

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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

So android is gonna become the dell of phones. Doesn't bother me a long as apple continues to innovate.

Exactly. Apple doesn't care if other people want cheap phones. In fact, Android is going to work in Apple's favor in the long run. It will displace some of the other brands out there - yet it's abysmal in areas that Apple customers care about.

For example, the overwhelming majority of Android phone customers have NOT upgraded their OS. The main reasons given are related to fragmentation - and the fact that there's no single Android upgrade. You have to track down the one specific for your phone and OS version and then apply it manually. For most people, it's not worth the bother. The funny part will be when Flash 10.1 comes out - it's going to greatly highlight how much of a pain it is to upgrade an Android phone.

Bottom line is that Apple's ease of use advantage is even stronger against Android than against some of the other competitors - so Apple won't care. Apple also doesn't care about the cheap end of the market. They're in business to sell premium, high quality products, so they don't care who's feeding on the bottom.

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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

Not having the iPhone on Verizon, much less all carriers, for the past 3 years is basically the equivalent of not having iTunes on Windows. The iPod would have never been dominant if Windows users couldn't use it.

I agree - they've lost sales by not having the iPhone on Verizon. The problem with evaluating that fact is that we don't know what they've gotten in return. What if, for example, AT&T gave Apple $100 extra per phone to maintain exclusivity. If Apple lost 50% of its potential sales, that would be a bad deal. If they only lose 2% of potential sales, it would be a gold mine.

None of us has the detail needed to evaluate that.

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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post

A poor analogy, considering the oil companies don't have produce different types of gasoline for different brands of car; the biggest market of phones running the same OS will get the most developer attention in the end.

Absolutely true. But, OTOH, if you're looking at how many eyeballs the platform provides rather than just the number of cell phones sold, then you need to include the iPod Touch and iPad (as well as any Android tablets if and when they appear). After all, an advertiser doesn't care if the person viewing their ad is on an iPod touch or an iPhone. If you do that, the iPhone is still handily in the lead.
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post #65 of 279
Yea, I'm eagerly awaiting the new iPhone in june, this 3G is a slug right now, too bad we still have to wait till august for iPhone OS4 though.
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A common but mistaken notion. Google is essentially paying handset manufacturers to build Android phones, so the idea that licensing iPhone OS would somehow mean they would all pay for that rather than have Google pay them to build Android phones doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't see how it is a mistaken notion. Droid was still dads sperm when iPhone came out, so if as i said it would be available to other manufacturers even with some licensing fees iPhone OS would have penetrated the market long ago.

Anyhow, these are only IFs...
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post #67 of 279
AT&T has roughly 89 million subscribers. How is AT&T growing faster than Verizon, if it is providing a service that is "beyond terrible?"

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On the other, the current iPhone is at the end of its lifecycle and both AT&T's service and the U.S. GSM network are beyond terrible. One could make an argument for getting second best to get Verizon's more expansive network.
post #68 of 279
This is an interesting number, but Id want to know whats the larges single, compatible Android platforma common screen size and UI, capable of being updated to the newest OS, running all the same apps. Lumping all Android devices together combines some that arent entirely compatible. (For instance, Id consider iPhone and iPod Touch compatible, but I wouldnt personally could iPad toward that total. Different screen size, different apps, different OS version.)
post #69 of 279
Why is the ubiquity of Android phones considered a "race to the bottom"? Quality and market share are manageable AEB(as evidenced by) the iPod.

I'm wondering if these are just knee-jerk responses to Apples' competition.
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

I´ve mentioned a while ago that Apple needed to diversify it´s iPhone line like they did with the iPod.

Three versions,

1: Flip

2: Regular iPhone

3: Larger iPhone with more features, storage and connectivity

4: Buy outright and pay as you go options.

5: More carriers

Oh well, I think Steve is just grooming Apple for purchase/merger to Google anyway.

Not that Apple is infallible. but do you really think that Apple or Steve Jobs simply made decisions by throwing dart or something? Apple is reputed not to conduct "consumer group studies", perhaps because a "group think" is ephemeral and as good only as the sampling. That Apple does indeed attempt to consider consumer choices very seriously is apparent in the success of many devices it has introduced to the market.

When Steve Jobs came back to Apple the first thing he did was to reduce the number of computer choices down to four, if II am not mistaken -- down from hundreds of variants.

Have you considered the technical and production ramifications of having too many variants of a product? And how it would affect consumer behavior? From a consumer perspective: Can you for example name all the variants of the Nokia phones, and have all the time in the world to analyze them so that you can truly say you made the correct choice, after you selected one?

It is possible that Apple may someday offer variants of its products, especially those that are maturing.

In fact, many argued that the iPhone is nothing but a variation of the iPod, much as the iPod Touch is an evolution of the iPod. Similarly, the iPad may be viewed as another variant of the iPhone OS mobile computing devices:

iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad

In a sense, one could claim that the iPad (wifi) is larger iPod Touch. And, the iPad (3G) can be adopted to be a substitute (for some people) for the iPhone. There is a reason, more than likely why Apple has not opted to rollout a mini-iPhone, in spite of the certainty of pundits that it was to be the next variant coming out.

I can envision a time in the future when Apple may create variants of the iPads or the iPhone either in size or functionality. As to storage and RAM, this may be dictated by existing technology and cost, plus marketing price of the product.

I am sure that there are many other reasons. What we can be sure of is that Apple is very methodical and if we believe theeir public announcements, they do not integrate a technology before its time, or if has not met certain specifications.

Proofs of its success is its high profitability and the company that others look up to when it comes to products that appeal to consumers.

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post #71 of 279
Where are you people seeing that sales are slow?

iPhone sales for this past quarter were up 131% year over year. Apple is making more revenue from that iPhone than it makes from the Mac.

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Sales are slow right now as EVERYONE is waiting for the new iPhone in June.....
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AT&T has roughly 89 million subscribers. How is AT&T growing faster than Verizon, if it is providing a service that is "beyond terrible?"

Agreed! I think the complaints are over exaggerated. I've been a customer since '99 and I rarely have problems. Of course, I'm only one customer out of close to 90 million.
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So android is gonna become the dell of phones. Doesn't bother me a long as apple continues to innovate.

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so, why all the fuss about volume? I guess it is meaningful because .. this is a "mine is bigger than yours" macho business? NO, it is the ongoing piss poor reporting that is mindless in the sense that it .. it .. it .. has no meaning except that now someone can say mine is bigger than yours.. or the sum of the parts are bigger than yours.. or the

oh i give up..

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I'm confused. So is Apple the "Dell of MP3 players" because the iPod has something like 70+ percent marketshare? In a way, I think they are -- the iPod touch has been relatively stagnent feature-wise since it was released nearly three years ago. Hell, the second generation didn't even bump capacities.

You could also argue that the nano and shuffle haven't really adding anything groundbreaking in years (and in the case of the shuffle, features were removed) -- unless you want to call a camera on the nano innovative.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here guys.
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I do not waste my time in sites telling other people why I do not like it. Or lecture those people in those other sites that they must be idiots, fanbois, etc. because they made a choice or think differently than I do. I do not waste my time speculating why they chose one product or another.

Here, here! I agree wholeheartedly.
post #75 of 279
Clearly Apple is not a monopolist!
post #76 of 279
The article we are all responding to said the Android based phones were out selling the iPhone........ My response was based on that report..... Apple fans are notorious for waiting to buy until after the new products are revealed at the WWDC. The unveiling of a new iPhone has been happening during this time frame for the past 3 years...... But after the new model then we can expect sales of the iPhine to pickup dramatically...... this is historical fact.... Apple is exceeding sales just about in all of their platforms right now and having record growth. So not really saying sales are slow just that when they report that Android based phones are outselling the iPhone....that won't be the case when the new iPhone is released or another US carrier is brought on board......


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Where are you people seeing that sales are slow?

iPhone sales for this past quarter were up 131% year over year. Apple is making 8 times more revenue from that iPhone than it makes from the Mac.

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post #77 of 279
The software on the iPod Touch has not been stagnant at all. Three major OS upgrades and 150,000 apps.

What do you think people care about the most? The screen resolution and processor speed? Or do they care about what the device can actually do?


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.... the iPod touch has been relatively stagnent feature-wise since it was released nearly three years ago. Hell, the second generation didn't even bump capacities.
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post #78 of 279
Yes all Android phones combined on all carriers combined are out selling the one iPhone on one carrier. That's no surprise. No one Android phone on any one carrier is outselling the iPhone by itself.

Apple is not interested in competing with Android for unit sales. Especially when its beating all Android phones combined on revenue.

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The article we are all responding to said the Android based phones were out selling the iPhone........ My response was based on that report..... Apple fans are notorious for waiting to buy until after the new products are revealed at the WWDC. The unveiling of a new iPhone has been happening during this time frame for the past 3 years...... But after the new model then we can expect sales of the iPhine to pickup dramatically...... this is historical fact.... Apple is exceeding sales just about in all of their platforms right now and having record growth. So not really saying sales are slow just that when they report that Android based phones are outselling the iPhone....that won't be the case when the new iPhone is released or another US carrier is brought on board......
post #79 of 279
I was a long time user of the iPhone since the second day of the first issued one. I recently got an Incredible not because I like the android. I wanted Verizon. I need a phone that worked. iPhone is great but At&T sucks. If Verizon gets the iPhone I will be back in a hart beat. As for now, I am happy with my four iPad 3g 64gb for the family. AT&T data is ok.
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The software on the iPod Touch has not been stagnant at all. Three major OS upgrades and 150,000 apps.

What do you think people care about the most? The screen resolution and processor speed? Or do they care about what the device can actually do?

Well, Apple is upgrading the screen resolution and processing speed on the next generation iPhone, and the iPod touch as well (most likely) -- someone must care about it, right? After all, the competition has had higher rez screens for a while now.

With regards to the iPod touch, it still makes up a smaller fraction of iPod sales. The nano is the biggest seller IIRC, followed by the shuffle. The iPod touch outpaces them in $$$ generated though.

So again, I ask where's the innovation with those two devices (nano and shuffle)? When you're on top, there's little incentive to do anything "big".
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