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post #1 of 43
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What do you guys think about it?

In Hong Kong it's basically part of daily life. Guys will chat about it openly, talking about the last girl they "tried" and how juicy she was, etc. It's legal if the girl is working for herself and doesn't promote her "business" but that's not the way it usually works.

Look in the local papers and there are pages devoted to the discussion of prostitutes, massage, karaoke girls and night clubs in Hong Kong and Macau.

There are local glossy magazines that have pictures, prices and tips. There are "review" websites with pictures and ratings of hundreds of girls, mostly mainlang girls with fake marriages to HK men or on tourist visas.

It's really amazing, and I'm starting to get tired of seeing this sh't. It makes it so much more difficult to find a girl who doesn't think all men are dogs.

Do you guys believe prostitution should be legal?
post #2 of 43
Yes and no. Yes in that it keeps it off the streets and usually keeps it cleaner (Nevada). No in that it's just plain wrong.
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post #3 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by crawlingparanoia:
<strong>Yes and no. Yes in that it keeps it off the streets and usually keeps it cleaner (Nevada). No in that it's just plain wrong.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In France the prostitution in the street is not legal, nor the specialised houses of oldtime with the little red lamps in front of the door.
The problem of prostitution is that many of these girls , came from east or Africa, and they are victims of an ugly traffic of people who importate in a illegal way these girls in France or Europe . They said to these youngs (and perhaps very youngs 14-15 years : but we cannot check) that they going to find a fine job here. As the result the fine job is prostitution ...
post #4 of 43
many european nations, like Italy, are talking about re-opening brothels (or 'closed houses' as they are called) since it would have to follow guidelines, certain health and sanitary specs, etc.
Seeing that the 'oldest profession in the world' isnt going to go away anytime soon, you might as well make sure its done properly.

Whether its right or wrong is up to each individual. I dont see the problem of paying for sex despite the fact I never have had the need to nor feel inclined to.

Then there are the cynics who will say that going out on a date, wining, dining etc with just in your mind that you are going to go to bed with the girl/guy amounts to the same thing... and to a certain extent I agree. Just one is more direct and the other is more socially accepted... but in essence, is the same thing. Fine, the woman/man, in the date scenario, may not go with 3 guys/girls the same day but the in essence its the same.

Even in the most strict societies prostitution exists.. there is nothing you can do about it.
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post #5 of 43
I'm basically against it, but I can't complain too much about the practice of prostitution. When I think about everything else in the world that people destroy themselves with that ARE legal, prostitution doesn't seem any worse.

As most of you know I don't agree with homosexuality or abortion, and am not a fan of smoking, etc. Those are legal, so why not prostitution? I don't think it's a wise practice, and I would never partake of it, but I can't get in a tizzy about it. Hey, some people build cars for a living, some answer phones, why not screw for a living too?
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post #6 of 43
Most girls who get involved in prostitution .. end up involved with all that goes with it.. heroin addiction, alcoholism... and the fact that they usually don't have 401k's means that eventually, once the shine is off then they become society's problem.

That is unless you think that you could retrain and employ a bunch of 50 year old hookers to be, say... IT workers?

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post #7 of 43
Be honest guys... how many of you have paid a woman to have sex with you?

I'll be first. I once paid an asian woman for a 'massage' with a happy ending while at a bachelor party in a strip club.

Now that I opened up, what say you?
post #8 of 43
had a lap dance, but it wasnt even me who paid for it... and it wasnt that great tbo.

Otherwise, if I take the cynical view that you pay for sex by wining and dining, small talk and what not, then yes. Otherwise, go out to red light district or hitch a girl up in a car to have sex, no, never.

I do not see any interest in it, but I can see how others just want a no strings attached physical encounter, et voila'. Im happy with my sexual life as is so I dont feel the need to go out and pay for it. Yet.
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post #9 of 43
When you're drunk and horny you can be amazed at what you do (especially waking up and having people recant what happened)
post #10 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Masker:
<strong>Most girls who get involved in prostitution .. end up involved with all that goes with it.. heroin addiction, alcoholism... and the fact that they usually don't have 401k's means that eventually, once the shine is off then they become society's problem.

That is unless you think that you could retrain and employ a bunch of 50 year old hookers to be, say... IT workers?

MSKR</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats a good arguement to legalise prostitution and make it regulated. Make just another job like anything else. Let girls (and guys) be taken care of, clean, drug free, etc.

Either that (and have the state profit from taxes, and somehow I think revenues from legalized prostitution would get 'em quite a pretty penny) or attempt to stamp out prostitutes... and we know that will never work.
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post #11 of 43
I think the gov't should subsidize prostitution so that sex is always free.
post #12 of 43
The problem with legalizing prostitution is that the hookers have to pay taxes of what they earn, wich will result in steeper prices for the customers - that's us boys <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #13 of 43
someone tell me what is the difference between prostitutuion and porn?

Its OK to **** for money for the whole world to see, but not in private?

Consider this, last year when I was unemployed, I took some shite temporary jobs to see me over. All the arguments for protecting girls/how the life affects them, are probably equally true of the jobs i took, many times, I was simply working in very dangerous conditions, completely demoralised and taken advantage of, and got very depressed about it all, to the point where I was considering...well frankly, if I was a girl, opening my legs for an hour, for a weeks pay, would seem like a good option. My conclusion was that Many legal jobs are worse than prostitution.

I also wonder why many prostitutes, while they moan like hell about their terrible life, don't seem to make much of an effort to sort themselves out, and get themselves a proper job. Its different if they're forced into it, but if its just to feed their coke habit, then I think well, tough shit really. That was their choice.

BTW, I havn't, but I did pay for a dance once, while I was out with my best friend. It was totally shite. Another time, we went to a club, and at the end you could buy a photo of you and a dancer. Quite a few blokes got one, so my friend and me decided to aswell, it was simply stand there with the dancer, snap, and £10 later you had a photo, but when I got up, she layed me doen on the floor and whipped my clothes off from the waist down, I didn't complain, as I was half drunk, but I remember the embarrassment, when I saw my little soldier was smaller than when you take a long cold shower in Siberia. Guess she just didn't do it for me
post #14 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong> *snip*...she layed me doen on the floor and whipped my clothes off from the waist down, I didn't complain, as I was half drunk, but I remember the embarrassment, when I saw my little soldier was smaller than when you take a long cold shower in Siberia. Guess she just didn't do it for me </strong><hr></blockquote>

Booze n sex... definetly not always the best mix
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post #15 of 43
Here's a good idea, but politically impractical. We know that prostitution is basically for screwed up people and the money is usually blown on drugs or expensive things to make up for lack of self esteem. So why not take maybe 40% of the prostitutes earnings and put it in a fund for them later in life? I'm sure a prostitute has to retire by 35 or so. It would be great if when they turned 40 they got $100,000 that had been mandatorily saved up and they could use it to start a stable life.

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post #16 of 43
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In HK, 95% of the prostitutes are illegally working Mainland Chinese aged 17-22 and I bet only about 1% of them are into drugs. In the busiest sector, the illegal 45 minute whorehouses in Mong Kok and Prince Edward districts, the typical girl serves about 20 men per day at HK$250-350 per pop (US$30-45).

They do this for about two or three months with no holidays (except the M days), and take 90% of the earnings, so their total earnings for 3 months... let's do the math... can be HK$300,000 to $400,000 (US$37,000-$50,000). Not a bad take for 3 months' work, huh? Then they can go back to China where they buy houses and retire or start their own businesses.

If you were a pretty girl wouldn't you do that? No wonder there are so many prostitutes here (and HK has plenty of horny, cheating men to support them).

See the movie "Durian, Durian" for a brief view of this from the girls' perspective.
post #17 of 43
Wow! A week off every month? Lucky whores.
post #18 of 43
Of course it should be legalized everywhere. What happens between a man and a woman is a private matter. If she charges for it and he's willing to pay (or the other way around) it's up to them and nobody else. I can't see any argument at all for banning it in the 'free' western world.
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post #19 of 43
If two people agree to exchange sex for money I guess I don't care much. On some level the "Chicken Ranch" level of prositution seems to work. In Chicago I'm not sure how well it would all work out. The Netherlands is trying to get fully legal with prostitution. It's not working out well. Turns out the girls don't mind being tested and following some basic guidelines but DON'T want to register as some kind of sex worker. Some don't want thier husbands to find out. Yuck.

I think if they can find a workable system then I don't care. But there will always be some crack whore sucking dick in the ally for $5.
post #20 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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I think if they can find a workable system then I don't care. But there will always be some crack whore sucking dick in the ally for $5.</strong><hr></blockquote> Why should you have a problem with that???Just stay away from the scene!! What's the big deal? I'm sure it's descusting to most people but I just can't see the point of banning it. Hell man, it's a free world and let people be responsible for their own doings
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post #21 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong> Why should you have a problem with that???Just stay away from the scene!! What's the big deal? I'm sure it's descusting to most people but I just can't see the point of banning it. Hell man, it's a free world and let people be responsible for their own doings</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because I live in the city and don't want to have to look at crack whores sucking dick in the ally when I go to my car or take out the trash. I don't want strange men that I don't know wandering around my neighborhood looking for sex.

Is that unreasonable?
post #22 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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Because I live in the city and don't want to have to look at crack whores sucking dick in the ally when I go to my car or take out the trash. I don't want strange men that I don't know wandering around my neighborhood looking for sex.

Is that unreasonable?</strong><hr></blockquote>

On one hand you're saying you dont give a shit whether it happens... as long as it doesn't happen in your alley?. Surely if you accept one you have to accept the other as a nasty side effect?
post #23 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
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On one hand you're saying you dont give a shit whether it happens... as long as it doesn't happen in your alley?. Surely if you accept one you have to accept the other as a nasty side effect?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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You're a mental giant. You'll go far. </strong><hr></blockquote>

post #25 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by crawlingparanoia:
<strong>Yes and no. Yes in that it keeps it off the streets and usually keeps it cleaner (Nevada). No in that it's just plain wrong.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What makes it wrong? Your ridiculous religious "morals"? Give me a break.

Let me call upon the wisdom of one of the greatest prophets this world has seen--George Carlin.

Selling is legal. F**king is legal. Why isn't selling f**king legal?
post #26 of 43
Carlin is the biggest ****ing moron in the world. Calling him a prophet is an insult to the human race.
post #27 of 43
Bring out yer daughters!

Hypocrites.
post #28 of 43
there are real public health issues with illegal prostitution . . .and, there is the social problem exemplified by scott_h's violated back alley ( )

legalizing prostitution with strict regulations would probably solve or at least emeliorate some of these issues. It would also help lead the US to a more mature attitude towards sex.

But, it is because of our attitude (both indulgent in the media but then ultra puritan and moralistic (aka: hypocritical)) that we will never legalize it: could you imagine a politician running for office with a legalize prostitution platform...not in the forseeable future.

I have never paid for sex... never even wined and dined just for sex.... but I have (though not often) paid for sex movies (back when there were theatres and no internet) and a few strip clubs... where I lived it was the only place to get beer after 2am . . . . dancing is truly NOT erotic, even when the girls are really cute.
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post #29 of 43
Any time children are used it is wrong, no need to discuss that, and street prostitution is bad since it causes other crimes and the women (men) who do it are really messed up. I don't think any of them want to do it, but can't get out of it. That's sad and should not be supported.
However, high class call girls who want to do it and brothels are okay I guess as long as the women aren't forced into it and have control over their money. The problem is those kind of women are very rare. For every rich man's courtesan there are dozens of "crack whores" who really need help.
post #30 of 43
I dont really feel much sympathy for the crack whores. At some point in their life, they made a decision to start taking crack/whatever, they knew it was wrong and what the consequences were. I guess its too bad that they need to live a terrible life to support it, but it was their choice, and they'll have to deal with the consequences.

Of course, If they were forced into it, or whatever by someone else, then thats different. But what were they doing hanging round such dispised people in the first place. Some people will always choose the wallow in shit over making a stand and walking away for good. Again thats their decision.
post #31 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
<strong>

Because I live in the city and don't want to have to look at crack whores sucking dick in the ally when I go to my car or take out the trash. I don't want strange men that I don't know wandering around my neighborhood looking for sex.

Is that unreasonable?</strong><hr></blockquote> Well, you seem to have experienced this although it's banned. The ban clearly doesn't work then. Of course sex in the public is an all different matter. I live in a city where prostitution is legal and I've never witnessed something like that although I used to live down town. I just don't think banning things like prostitution solves anything and you just confirmed it to me

[quote]Originally posted by Exercise in Frivolity:
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Selling is legal. F**king is legal. Why isn't selling f**king legal?</strong><hr></blockquote> Well, shooting is legal, cops are legal so shooting cops should be legalized? Just pointing out how stupid this argument is, <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> sorry pal

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[quote]Originally posted by kelib:
<strong> Well, shooting is legal, cops are legal so shooting cops should be legalized? Just pointing out how stupid this argument is, <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> sorry pal

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post #33 of 43
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post #34 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Exercise in Frivolity:
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Thanks for not being able to take a ****ing joke you retard.</strong><hr></blockquote> No need to thank me, you are very welcome

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post #35 of 43
I think it should be legal and for the following reason.

There is nothing wrong, in concept, with prostitution. If a man wants to pay money to a woman who willingly has sex with him in return then that is an act between two consenting adults.

Of course there is a criminal aspect to it now. Prostitutes are being recruited among homeless children, eastern European women who see no other way out are being exploited and children are being raped. I think, should it be legal all over the world, a great deal of that criminal aspect will dissapear. Except for maybe the last one I mentioned but that´s rape, not prostitution so a different crime all together.
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post #36 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Exercise in Frivolity:
<strong>

What makes it wrong? Your ridiculous religious "morals"? Give me a break.

Let me call upon the wisdom of one of the greatest prophets this world has seen--George Carlin.

Selling is legal. F**king is legal. Why isn't selling f**king legal?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You condemn his intolerance yet call his morals ridiculous...ever thought they may not be so ridiculous to him. Untill he starts blowing up abortion clinics you could display some more tollerance. At least it doesn´t make you a hypocrite.

As for crack whores, that´s drug abuse, not prostitution.Again, different crimes. That one leads to another I won´t deny but it starts with the drug abuse. It would not have been there without it. You´re being overly simplistic. As ever.
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post #37 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Masker:
<strong>That is unless you think that you could retrain and employ a bunch of 50 year old hookers to be, say... IT workers?
MSKR</strong><hr></blockquote>

There are not many 50 year old soccer players or baseball players around mate.
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post #38 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by macvasco:
I think it should be legal and for the following reason.

There is nothing wrong, in concept, with prostitution. If a man wants to pay money to a woman who willingly has sex with him in return then that is an act between two consenting adults.
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Damn straight. Those who are against prostitution have the right to their opinion. They have the right to preach their opinion to others. They have the right to peacefully demonstrate. They DO NOT have the right to force it on other people. You hit the nail on the head. It's between two consenting adults. There is no crime here.
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[quote]Originally posted by macvasco:
You condemn his intolerance yet call his morals ridiculous...<hr></blockquote>
I have no tolerance for intolerance.
post #40 of 43
Let them Women do what they want with their bodies. Dammit
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