Verizon advertising partner rumored to be working on iPhone campaign - Page 2

Thanks! It's my very own neologism!

You underestimate the quality of phones Verizon has now, and you're just being silly. Of course they're going to have their own marketing company produce in-house materials, circulars, etc, just like AT&T does.

How about the contract issue is as simple as a 5 year deal with the first 3 being exclusive?

Seems the obvious to me.

You guys crack me up!

Every technical "issue" anyone would make for not having a CDMA iPhone are trivial at, best. By many of these arguments, why would anyone bother making a CDMA cell phone these days? For that matter, Apple should just stop selling the 3GS right now, too. After all, it won't magically get any faster on an LTE network (just like a CDMA phone won't get any faster when Verizon deploys LTE). I guess Motorola, Nokia, Sony, and all the rest should just stop making cell phones for Verizon now because they'll all be obsolete when Verizon throws the LTE switch. Brilliant!! (But I'm glad you aren't in charge of strategy for my company.)


Hm, odd. My Verizon phone syncs my contacts via iSync just fine. I guess I got a defective phone.


2. Not true. ATT has their own ads featuring the iPhone.

3. But note that Apple has demonstrated a willingness to make non-standard versions of the iPhone. They still make the 3G, even after the 3GS became the standard, and they did make a wifi-less version for the Chinese market. Verizon represents an equal customer base as ATT. ATT represents roughly 1/3-1/2 of the worldwide iPhone sales. Having a Verizon iPhone therefore represents a potential 1/3+ increase in sales. Nothing to sneeze at.

4. I actually would take that as a sign that Apple IS working on such an iPhone. Classic Apple to shut down all information flow if they are working on a new product. "We'll buy XXX million of your chips if you keep it quiet."


5. Is there a claim they are working setting up production for a 4G iPhone?

DISCLAIMER: I'm in no way saying that Apple will make a CDMA iPhone. Just pointing out that practically every argument against it is full of just as many holes as arguments for it.

PS: If you are an ATT iPhone user, you should be BEGGING for a Verizon iPhone. It would slow the degradation of your network performance if the load can be shared with another carrier.

Not me. Unlike those "disgruntled" AT&T customers, I can't complain at all about my service (though yes, it could be a little bit less expensive). I'll be staying put with AT&T and I imagine that things will improve in the NYC and SFO areas (and other congested areas as well) once those unhappy with AT&T switch to Verizon.

Well said!

What they are working on is ads for the competitor product, its not the iphone.

I'm not sure that is a valid reason for Apple to push a CDMA iPhone. If it was just about marketshare they would have come out with multiple versions a long time ago and never used exclusivity in countries after it was known to be successful. They also would have made the iPad work on T-Mobile with a very simple addition.

Apple's already taking the lion's share of profits from the handset market, the lion's share of revenue and profits from the smartphone market, and has never licensed it's Mac OS X to other vendors so it's clear that profit, not marketshare are important to them.

They are not in jeopardy of losing their iPhone OS and App Store ecosystem so whatever the Droid is doing is not affecting Apple or its customers negatively.

PS: This never gets discussed but we read about a shortage of NAND all the time, that Apple is buying most of it and yet they still can't NAND fast enough for their products. With the iPhone popularity still growing with its current carriers maybe it's impossible for Apple to create an iPhone for Verizon's near 100 million subs. If you only have a finite number of chips for a finite number of phones you aren't going to make any more money if you they are still going to be sold out in the same amount of time.

Me too. All things being equal...I would stay with ATT too. Unless, I choose to go with a dumb phone and an iPad 3g. But even then I think Verizon would be my last choice!

I just think $110/mo for my 3Gs and an additional $30/mo for an iPad 3G just too much. But that's just me.

Screw it, I'm just going to go back to a yellow legal pad like my Dad used 20 years ago!

We'll see about that. I'm a huge Apple fan boy, I love my MBP, but I'm not so sure I want an iPhone any longer. Not with all the restrictions! Up until a month ago, I was convinced I wanted one and I was willing to wait a few more years/ months, but I no longer want one. And I'm not the only one.

Everyone has the iPhone now - so the popularity factor is working against it, at least with a subsegment of the audience. Have the "Google phone" is the new IT thing!

Good points...I was thinking Droid's success would have an effect on Steve Jobs' psyche...I'm sure he's still 'bent' about Schmidt/Google going into the phone business!

LOL! Android is not the future. Google's takeover of the world is.

Probably the smartest comment I've read regarding the Engadget story in the past two days. I didn't even think of that.

Your dad had a yellow legal pad!!
Back in my day we had a stick and dirt to draw with. And we were happy.
I'd have given my best plow mule for a yellow legal pad.
Kids these days.

You may be going way too far back, but I have several living relatives who used wooden black tablets and chalk to learn to write in school. No yellow pads back then (or any other kinds of notebooks). Of course, this was in the countryside; city kids did have notebooks at that time (this was before 2nd World War).

I hope they finally do release the iPhone in for Verizon.

I have no problems with AT&T as they provide Excellent service in my area.
No Drop Calls ,and Faster Network speed then VZW

I might break the plus key on my keyboard over this comment.

This potentially good news for everyone but ATT.

Not true. CDMA won't allow you to browse the web while you talk on the phone. For some people that may not matter, but for others, it's very important.


What restrictions that matter?

Sure, they restrict you from running unapproved apps, but many of those don't do anything that the phone won't already do. Other restrictions are the limitation on multiasking of 3rd party apps (which restriction will be gone soon, anyway), but I'm still waiting for someone to explain something you'd need that for that the phone won't already do.

Most of the people whining about restrictions are being pedantic, mostly for 'attack Apple' reasons. For example, you can easily listen to music using iTunes to browse the web. For those complainers, it's somehow the end of the world that you can't use Pandora (yet) to listen to music to browse the web. Sorry, but that's not a significant restriction in my view.


Depends on what you mean by 'easy'. They'd need to source CDMA chips, redesign the mother board, get FCC approvals, make some software changes), get manufacturing geared up for multiple product lines, support multiple product lines, and so on. Those costs could easily be in the millions of dollars.

Then, add in the fact that the contract is worth less to AT&T if it's not exclusive, so AT&T might pay less per phone for a non-exclusive agreement, so there would be hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue.

I don't have the market research information nor do I have the contractual agreements that would allow me to say whether it's worthwhile, but Apple clearly does not think that it would pay to have a CDMA phone at this time.

I have been wanting to upgrade my iTouch to an iPhone. Hopefully, this umpteenth rumor is true.

Years ago I met some great aunts that lived through the depression. Now those were some tough broads.
Ok, I remember my dad using legal pads too, maybe 35 yrs ago. The atari 2600 had just come out, good times.

Next you'll be telling me 'horses sleep standing up!

That's nice IF you have a 3g signal, which many do not. You ain't browsing the web and talking on the phone while accessing the edge network.

Now, I give ATT some credit. Their 3 g network is getting better and is covering more land area but its no where near Verizon's.

Advertising co's work on various campaigns all the time. It's like News co's writing obits for VIPs before they're RIP.

9. Gizmodo's tear down of the stolen device didn't mention a cdma chipset.

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From the Basement of the Science Building

I am a huge consumer of Apple products, but not a "fan boi" or anything of the sort. I like to make rational choices based on facts. On the other hand, the facts usually end up being that the Apple product is orders of magnitude better than the competing products.

I think people are better off in general if they drop the buzzwords and think rationally about what kind of restrictions there are and whether they really affect you materially or morally.

All products have restrictions associated with their use, the question is are the particular restrictions that you believe Apple imposes really a big deal to you personally? The answer for most people is a simple "no". In reality, almost all the things that iPhone can't or won't do, have been addressed or will be addressed by the 4.0 operating system. Other than the criminal side of things there isn't much at all that Android can do (at least post OS 4.0), that the iPhone OS can't.

I find it kind of crazy when people talk about the "restrictions" with Apple's iPhone OS, when in fact the most glaring restriction or difference between iPhone OS and Android is only the censorship in the app store. Personally, I find it disturbing and highly offensive that Apple applies some kind of made in USA moral guidelines to the apps but it's not enough to overcome the advantages of the platform for me. Others make their own decisions of course.

I find it paradoxical that this moralistic, religious-based censorship they employ doesn't seem to alarm or bother many people at all, yet everyone still goes on about the "restrictions"? I don't see what these "restrictions" are that get's everyone so upset if it's not that. Flash doesn't run on any mobile platform currently and what the developers use to make the apps is completely irrelevant to the end user.

I don't recall seeing anything about the chips used because of the soldered heat shield.

This is getting SO old. I take it all with a grain of salt...since NO ONE has been right about ANYTHING Verizon iPhone (or the "SURE THING" Verizon iPad). Again, I personally hope it does happen so all the people who think that Verizon and the iPhone will be some kind of KY his and hers orgasmic combination will no doubt be let down and will have nothing left to live for except the sight of their flacid Verizon iPhone...therefore freeing up forums (and mobile networks) across the country when they inevitably kill themselves. Seriously... I can't wait.

They would when uncle Ernie came a visitin'. Everyone did.

You act as if Deutsche Telecom isn't T-Mobile's parent.

Before my iPhone, I had a Motorola Krazor and use to sync my contacts using iSync on my iMac with Bluetooth.

I have zero faith in WiMAX as a viable '4G' tech. I predict that Sprint will be announcing support for LTE within 2 years.

Good to know. Thanks!

Two iPhones and a 1400 minute plan for $190/month. It's crazy, isn't it?

Just wear two pair of jeans!

Unbearable to who? I live in the South Bay of the SFBA and I have had in my 12 years with Cingular/AT&T NO problems with the network. Not with my original Nokia brick, my Ericsson flip phone nor my iPhone since 2007. Wait, let me say, probably 10 dropped calls during that time. Sorry.

AT&T has served me very well as well as the 30 people or so I know that have the iPhone. All I ever hear from them is how they would never go back.

That type of blanket statement is meaningless.

In areas with decent AT&T 3G coverage, AT&T's network is much faster than Verizon's. The majority of the US population lives in these areas.

In the largest part of the country (geographically), you can get Verizon 3G and only EDGE from AT&T, so Verizon wins.

In very remote areas, you can get AT&T EDGE, but not Verizon at all. I believe that the number of people completely un-reachable by the network is 3 times as high for Verizon as for AT&T.

So it's impossible to say that one location is 'better' overall. It depends on what matters to you and where you are located (or where you travel).

I assume he is talking about SyncML, and according to Wikipedia the iPhone only supports it for contacts.

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True you should pick your network before your phone, as what is a phone if you can't connect? But there have been tons of complaints about AT&T's reliability. Over all it sees Verizon is a much more reliable service. I know when I switched from AT&T I noticed call quality was a lot better, although that could of been the handset but I moved from an iPhone so I doubt it, I also never have dropped calls on Verizon, which would happen occasionally on AT&T.

Some areas you only get one or the other, or Sprint or T-Mobile, so you have to buy from that company. But the majority of people in America can get strong signals from both Verizon and AT&T, however from personal experience AT&T's 3G service is more spotty than Verizon, Verizon's seems to also be more available in buildings, and Verizon's call quality and reliability is better.

Also if Verizon got the iPhone, they'd have one heck of a phone line up.

• Yeah, sleep well with your entire online life on file with an advertising company.
• I'm yet to see Android as "the platform of the future"...The most interesting inovations with Android have come from HTC, NOT Google....
• Google seems to have no long term vision with their releases.... How miserable were the Droid 1.0 users when 2 months after they got their phone, it was a dinosaur next to the Nexus One AND they had to wait ages to upgrade their OS? Good luck with Droid 2.0!

Apple wouldn't necessarily need to hire new engineers, for all we know they may already have some on staff. Remember, when Steve Jobs first introduced the Intel Macs, he said that they'd had them running in the Apple labs for the previous 5 years. What's to say that Apple hasn't done the same with a CDMA iPhone, and that they haven't already had prototypes running in the lab for some time now, just waiting for the time to come to release them? If the rumors are true that Apple initially approached VZW about the iPhone before AT&T (which I don't think has ever been proven), it's very much possible that they've had prototypes since then.

Just a thought...